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Old Dec 20, 2016 | 01:00 PM
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Unhappy Cigarette Lighter and Accessory Outlet dead

Yes, I've checked EVERY fuse. Twice in fact.

I drive an RV and when towing my Fit I power a Break Buddy from my 12V sockets. A Brake Buddy, if you're not familiar, provides emergency braking if the vehicle breaks free from it's tow bar. It uses a compressor and pneumatic piston to depress the brake pedal.

On my last cross country trip I found that my Cigarette Lighter outlet had gone dead and would not power up the Brake Buddy (or anything else). As I said, I checked all the fuses and found none that were bad. So as a test I plugged in the Brake Buddy to the Accessory socket in the console. It powered up and seemed to be working fine so I left it on for a while and went and had dinner. When I returned an hour later, the Accessory Socket was dead too. Again, I checked all fuses both inside and under the hood. None of them was open.

I suspect that perhaps a relay is bad, but none of the relays are labeled in the owners manual or the legends on the fuse covers. Any suggestions? Does anybody have a schematic that might point me to the correct relay to swap out?

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Old Dec 20, 2016 | 03:33 PM
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When you say all the fuses, are you aware there are 4 fuse boxes? Two in the engine compartment, and 2 under the dash (behind the instrument panel). My thinking is that the fuses would go long before the relay coil burned out. The cigarette lighter outlet (aka accessory outlets 2 of them) provide power only with the key is in position 1 or 2. I don't know how it works if you have a proximity key in the EX model.
 

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Old Dec 20, 2016 | 04:22 PM
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Yes, I checked all four fuse boxes.

While I was waiting for replies to this post, I decided to piddle around with it a little more. I realized when looking at the "Cigarette" Lighter outlet that the panel holding it could be removed with a single screw. After taking it apart I checked for power at the connector to the outlet. I was surprised to see that there was power to the connector. That told me it was something in the socket itself. At first it didn't make sense that the socket could fail, but I dug into it and finally figured out how to take it apart. That's when I found the problem.

Inside the socket there is a ring that separates the dime-sized socket bottom from the terminal that hooks to the connector. That ring has a smaller circular center section that is offset so that it acts as a spring. (The spring action is required so that the bottom of the socket isn't continuously "hot".) This small center section has a plastic insert that acts as an insulator separating the spring from the dime-sized socket bottom. When you press a plug into the socket, the nipple pushes on the dime sized bottom, which in turn presses on the springy ring and makes contact with the 12 V terminal. That plastic insert appeared to have gotten hot enough that it deformed. It deformed enough that it didn't allow the metal pieces to all come together to complete the circuit. After fiddling with it for a while, I was able to find a way to reinsert the piece so that it operated properly again.

Seems to me that Honda selected the wrong plastic for this part or the have too large of a fuse selected (20A). The plastic should have had enough temperature range to handle the temperature rise caused by a high current device. Anyway, problem solved.

Now I just have to figure out how to remove the center console so that I can get to the Accessory Socket in the storage box.
 
Old Dec 20, 2016 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by larsowe
Yes, I checked all four fuse boxes.

While I was waiting for replies to this post, I decided to piddle around with it a little more. I realized when looking at the "Cigarette" Lighter outlet that the panel holding it could be removed with a single screw. After taking it apart I checked for power at the connector to the outlet. I was surprised to see that there was power to the connector. That told me it was something in the socket itself. At first it didn't make sense that the socket could fail, but I dug into it and finally figured out how to take it apart. That's when I found the problem.

Inside the socket there is a ring that separates the dime-sized socket bottom from the terminal that hooks to the connector. That ring has a smaller circular center section that is offset so that it acts as a spring. (The spring action is required so that the bottom of the socket isn't continuously "hot".) This small center section has a plastic insert that acts as an insulator separating the spring from the dime-sized socket bottom. When you press a plug into the socket, the nipple pushes on the dime sized bottom, which in turn presses on the springy ring and makes contact with the 12 V terminal. That plastic insert appeared to have gotten hot enough that it deformed. It deformed enough that it didn't allow the metal pieces to all come together to complete the circuit. After fiddling with it for a while, I was able to find a way to reinsert the piece so that it operated properly again.

Seems to me that Honda selected the wrong plastic for this part or the have too large of a fuse selected (20A). The plastic should have had enough temperature range to handle the temperature rise caused by a high current device. Anyway, problem solved.

Now I just have to figure out how to remove the center console so that I can get to the Accessory Socket in the storage box.
So you had the same problem with both outlets, one in the front part of the console, and the other inside the console box? Maybe you are drawing too much power.
Page 149 owner's manual NOTICE
Do not insert an automotive type cigarette lighter
element.
This can overheat the power socket.
Each accessory power socket is designed to supply
power for 12 volt DC accessories that are rated 180
watts or less (15 amps).
To prevent battery drain, only use the power socket
with the engine running.
 
Old Dec 21, 2016 | 01:08 AM
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Any time you see melting, you had a bad connection causing the heat. Something that you plugged into there in the past did not make a good connection and it got hot. This is common on this type of socket when used to power higher current devices. The socket when operating correctly should carry up to 15 amps without overheating. A properly operating socket is NOT a heat generating device.
 
Old Apr 27, 2017 | 02:03 PM
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HI...i am a new user here. I want to know that are you aware there are 4 fuse boxes? Two in the engine compartment, and 2 under the dash. My thinking is that the fuses would go long before the relay coil burned out. The cigarette lighter outlet provide power only with the key is in position 1 or 2.
 
Old Apr 28, 2017 | 04:18 PM
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The constant amperage draw likley was beyond the limits of the power port itself. You be better off wiring in a proper electrical connector from the battery when using your break buddy.
 
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