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Old 05-11-2018, 03:53 AM
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If anybody is experiencing an issue with the VTC actuator and are over warranty coverage, like me (85,000 miles), then I highly recommend having your car evaluated by the dealer to this concern. They quoted me around $1200 to replace it, but cost went up to over $1800 after they found out the timing chain was stretched (I don't know how the chain stretched, but I want to blame the actuator). Afterwards, I complained directly to American Honda telling the customer representative in a sincere manner that I can understand that it's my fault if this specific part failed, but Honda updated the part number to a completely different number. I referred him to the service bulletin 16-088. I even brought up that many individuals online were experiencing the same issue of the engine making the rattling noise.

In all honesty, my family only buy Honda's and this is the first Honda that I've experienced such a major issue. He confirmed this by checking service records of all my vehicles, and gave me a deal on covering majority of the cost. He did notice that I don't bring in my vehicles unless it's for a alignment but I told him that I'm a car enthusiast and do basic maintenance at home. I had to pay a total of $581.89.

I just wanted to update you all to see if this will help you.
 
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Old 05-11-2018, 12:11 PM
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Nice that you got help from Honda on this. Your calm demeanor & homework on the problem surely help your cause.
 
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Good for you! Honda has been all over the place as far as out-of-warranty issues (GK starter failure is one of them), so it's encouraging that they gave your situation some consideration.
 
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Old 05-11-2018, 01:53 PM
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Chains donít actually ďstretchĒ, they elongate due to wear between the pins and bushings. I guess the end result is the same.
 
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was it the noise you were getting to fixed? cause i’ve read it comes back. i don’t plan on fixing mine.
 
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Old 05-12-2018, 12:16 AM
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It was the noise that was fixed. Honda updated the VTC actuator to a newer part back in February of 2017.
 
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Originally Posted by kenchan View Post
was it the noise you were getting to fixed? cause iíve read it comes back. i donít plan on fixing mine.

Well, for people who got it replaced before the new version was available, yeah, pretty good bet it will come back.
 
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I'm afraid most people will find that the noise will return when the mornings get cold again, only to find out it was the bendix gear in their starter all along and not the timing gear actuator.
 
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Old 05-14-2018, 09:37 PM
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I'm afraid most people will find that the noise will return when the mornings get cold again, only to find out it was the bendix gear in their starter all along and not the timing gear actuator.
Well, if it IS the starter, then BOTH of the starters I've had in my car make the same noise. Replacing the starter (for a different issue) made no difference.
 
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Over what period of time did you replace the Denso starter and have the noise come back again, and was it with another Denso starter? I replaced my OEM Denso starter in my Vibe 3 years ago. I now live in a warm and dry climate all year long. I recently had 2 or 3 incidents of the bendix gear grinding. I don't know what the issue is with these Denso starters, but it is very common in those cars that have them. I had the Denso starter go bad in my Fit and I replaced it with a rebuilt one from Pep Boys due to the lifetime warranty. While there are some documented issues with the timing gear actuators in Honda and Toyota engines, I've done enough research to know that dealerships are replacing them willy-nilly and not taking the time to understand the noise reported by owners and after doing a pretty invasive procedure, not solving the problem. I know this first hand since my local GM dealer replaced my actuator (at their cost) with no result at all. It seems to me that a failing timing gear actuator would make the grinding noise all the time, not just intermittently during cold/humid mornings.
 

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Originally Posted by BurntZ View Post
It seems to me that a failing timing gear actuator would make the grinding noise all the time, not just intermittently during cold/humid mornings.
It's definitely not all the time.
Hondas VTC actuator noise only lasts for about a second or two at startup, approximately the length of time it takes to build oil pressure and feed it into the cam gear.

That's about the same time the starter will make its noise if it makes noise.

The sounds are similar but different. They happen at approximately the same time, during engine startup. Many techs probably haven't heard a starter noise so they may not know it can happen, but many of us get to hear VTC rattle on other engines frequently.
(I read about the 3rd gen starter noise here in this forum long before I actually got to hear one in person)

Honda has a TSB about the VTC noise so that's likely the go-to repair for many ---especially when the dealer tech can't duplicate your noise to verify it.
There is no tsb for starter noises.
 
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Glad to hear Honda at least did the right thing for one customer......thinking on the "noise," my car only did it one time over the past winter. Did it several times the year before....go figure...although we did have a pretty mild winter here in east TN this past one. Glad they took care of ya, OP, hope the fix lasts.
 
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Kdawgz View Post
If anybody is experiencing an issue with the VTC actuator and are over warranty coverage, like me (85,000 miles), then I highly recommend having your car evaluated by the dealer to this concern. They quoted me around $1200 to replace it, but cost went up to over $1800 after they found out the timing chain was stretched (I don't know how the chain stretched, but I want to blame the actuator). Afterwards, I complained directly to American Honda telling the customer representative in a sincere manner that I can understand that it's my fault if this specific part failed, but Honda updated the part number to a completely different number. I referred him to the service bulletin 16-088. I even brought up that many individuals online were experiencing the same issue of the engine making the rattling noise.

In all honesty, my family only buy Honda's and this is the first Honda that I've experienced such a major issue. He confirmed this by checking service records of all my vehicles, and gave me a deal on covering majority of the cost. He did notice that I don't bring in my vehicles unless it's for a alignment but I told him that I'm a car enthusiast and do basic maintenance at home. I had to pay a total of $581.89.

I just wanted to update you all to see if this will help you.
does anyone have a link to the service bulletin? My 2015 is doing this all of the time now. I have 39k miles. Of course the time I took it to the dealer it did not do it.
 
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u have to leave the car over night. mine only makes the rattle once in the am.
 
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Originally Posted by raynist View Post
does anyone have a link to the service bulletin?
I know this thread has been kinda dead but here's a TSB link:

https://testing-public.carmd.com/Tsb...118695/A16-088
 
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Thanks

i got rid of the car but it may help others.
 
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Old 07-25-2018, 08:17 AM
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Thanks

i got rid of the car but it may help others.
good plan lol.. but im stuck with da GK for another yr minimum it looks like..
 
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Old 07-25-2018, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by woof View Post
Well, for people who got it replaced before the new version was available, yeah, pretty good bet it will come back.
must be nice.. dis thread just reminded me y i didnt want another honda.. i hope dis is not da case on the 10th gen civic Si engines too.. right now looking for a car for my kids to use.
 
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Old 07-26-2018, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ezone View Post
I know this thread has been kinda dead but here's a TSB link:

https://testing-public.carmd.com/Tsb...118695/A16-088
Thanks for the TSB.
 
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Old 12-22-2018, 04:18 PM
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My Fit is just starting to demonstrate this symptom.
But man, looking at that TSB doesn't make me feel good about having the work done. Looks like a very complicated replacement procedure, that if not done correctly could really make a lot of things worse.
 

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