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Old Jul 11, 2016 | 03:33 PM
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There have been others who found wheels from a 2009 Fit and slapped it onto a 2016. It fit just fine. I think all Fits use the same lugs. This may also be true for the Civic. Maybe ask in the wheels section for a more detailed response.
 
Old Jul 11, 2016 | 03:40 PM
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I didn't realize there was a wheel specific section. THanks for the heads up. I did just get off the phone with the local auto recycling & found 2 places both with the 14x5.5 4x100 56.1 bore rims at 50 per. THis might be the route to take I guess, if it pans out.
 
Old Jul 11, 2016 | 05:17 PM
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$50/tire for the rim sounds high. Maybe they are new? They should be new for that price.

4x100 might be the standard size for old Civic tires, so there may be a lot of them out there.
 
Old Jul 11, 2016 | 09:32 PM
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I'll check the civic tires also, but around here the salvage yards want 100.00 (us) for the 15" steel rims that are stock on the 2015 lx, and online I saw them for 106.00, so 50 for a 14" steel stock doesn't sound unrealistic for the local demands (whether it's unrealistic at all or not is another matter). But the NEW 14x6 for 46.00, plus 16.15 shipping, was made in china. The 15x6 new steel rim @ tire rack is 60.00, plus 16.15,and is also made in china according to the tire rack customer service rep.
 
Old Aug 10, 2016 | 10:08 AM
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I am using 195/65 R15 Pirellis. Gives me an additional half inch of ground clearance. I no longer bump the nose of my fit into the ground at this parking lot entrance I frequently use. I love the higher stance ... and yes, my speedo reads differently. Still using the stock steel rims. I find that the honda steel rims are lighter weight than the aftermarket stuff.
 
Old Aug 10, 2016 | 12:59 PM
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I live in a rural area in the Middle West, and we get snow and ice in the winter (lots of salt, too). Someone linked it above, but I'll relink the info on the -1 wheels I bought for my winter snow tires. I was careful to select a tire size that was the same diameter as the OEM 16” wheels/tires. The extra sidewall makes for a much mushier ride, but has also saved me wheel damage from hitting potholes in the winter.

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Old Aug 10, 2016 | 02:04 PM
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I'm on hold on this until I can find a realistic option. Checking the salvage yards yielded rusty, pitted rims and I don't want to pay 50 plus dollars per rim if I can get a lifetime warranty rim for 75 to 80.

So far the best option seems to be discount tires. There's a retail store little over an hour from here and they sell rims with lifetime warranties. Of course I have to come up with the money, but they will look better. If/since this seems to be the way I might have to go, I was hoping to get the rims 1 to 2 at a time, then buy the tires later, & have them ready when the tread wears out on these, or someone hits another pothole, but discount tire doesn't sound like they want to cooperate with that & I can't guarantee I'll get all the hardware (hub rings, lugs, etc.) if I order fr amazon. All the hardware is "included" if I get them from discount tire. Both discount tire and amazon are more affordable than tirerack (since I can pick up fr discount tire, & amazon has them with free shipping)
 
Old Aug 10, 2019 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by CommanderSlug
I am using 195/65 R15 Pirellis. Gives me an additional half inch of ground clearance. I no longer bump the nose of my fit into the ground at this parking lot entrance I frequently use. I love the higher stance ... and yes, my speedo reads differently. Still using the stock steel rims. I find that the honda steel rims are lighter weight than the aftermarket stuff.
What size rims do you have on your 2015 DX? We don't have the DX in the US. I have an LX and it comes with 15 inch steel rims and 185/60 R15 tires.

By the way in the US thermostatic control of cabin temperature ("Climate Control") is not available on any model, nor as an option! Sucks because I don't like to fiddle with the air mixture knob, the AC on-off button, or the fan speed knob, while I am driving.

195mm is the next size larger. A 185 mm tire designated "/60" will have a sidewall depth of 0.60 x 185 mm which comes out to 111 mm. A 195/65 tire will be 126.75 mm, so that is a15.75 mm difference in sidewall depth between those 2 sizes. Multiply by 2 (actually not quite 2, but I will be ignoring this fact when doing the calculations*) to get the increased diameter of the tire, 31.5 mm. That is, the car is 31.5 mm higher off the ground, considerably higher off the ground – equals about 1 1/4 inches higher off the ground. Someone tell me if I made an arithmetic mistake. Should bring the ground clearance from 5.25 inches to 6.5 inches.

With the larger diameter tires, every time a wheel makes one rotation, the car will be travelling pi x 1.25 inches further = 3.93 inches further.

Once I figure out the ratio of new circumference to the original circumference I'll be able to report how many more miles the car has actually gone, when the odometer reports 1 mile. I think all the numbers are already listed here. Original circumference equals pi times diameter, equals pi x 111 mm, new circumference pi x 126.75 mm. The ratio of circumferences of the new tires to old tires is same as ratio of their diameters, which is the same as the ratio of their sidewall depths. That ratio is 126.75/111 which equals 1.14, so 1.14 miles (or kilometers) when the odometer reports 1 mile (or 1 kilometer). 114 distance units when the odometer reports 100 distance units. Actual speed will be 1.14 times the reported speed. Watch out for vehicle and traffic safety law enforcement personnel (VATSLEPs)! Miles per gallon (or kilometers per liter) of fuel consumed will be 1.14 times the reported amount. Liters of fuel consumed per 100 kilometers will be 0.88 times the number reported.

Again, correct me if I've made a mistake.

*The actual diameter of wheel plus mounted tire is slightly less than the diameter of the wheel plus 2 times the sidewall depth of the tire because the sidewall depth of the tire where it rests on the ground is slightly less than the sidewall depth of the tire elsewhere. The weight of the car causes the sidewall to bulge out a bit at the place where the tire rests on the road, and this causes the sidewall depth at that point to decrease slightly.
 

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Old Aug 11, 2019 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by nomenclator
What size rims do you have on your 2015 DX?
195mm is the next size larger. A 185 mm tire designated "/60" will have a sidewall depth of 0.60 x 185 mm which comes out to 111 mm. A 195/65 tire will be 126.75 mm, so that is a15.75 mm difference in sidewall depth between those 2 sizes. Multiply by 2 .....
I am using the stock 15inch steelies.
Your calculation of sidewall depth height increase seems right, except for the multiplication by 2; no need to multiply by 2. The sidewall depth increases and lifts the car up relative to the center hub, so no need to multiply by 2 .... which makes the overall increase in height 15.75mm [as you calculated] or 0.62 inches. 1 and 1/4 inches would really be noticeable with the naked eye, and ... the height increase is not that noticeable from visual inspection.

Anyhow ... I traded in the DX for a 2016 ex-l navi cvt; lovin' it except for the intermittent check engine light.
 
Old Aug 11, 2019 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by CommanderSlug
I am using the stock 15inch steelies.
Your calculation of sidewall depth height increase seems right, except for the multiplication by 2; no need to multiply by 2. The sidewall depth increases and lifts the car up relative to the center hub, so no need to multiply by 2 .... which makes the overall increase in height 15.75mm [as you calculated] or 0.62 inches. 1 and 1/4 inches would really be noticeable with the naked eye, and ... the height increase is not that noticeable from visual inspection.

Anyhow ... I traded in the DX for a 2016 ex-l navi cvt; lovin' it except for the intermittent check engine light.
I think you are right. No need to multiply by 2. To determine how far the vehicle is above the ground, one measures the distance from the center of the wheel (including the tire) to the ground, that is, the radius of the wheel, not the distance from the top of the wheel to the ground (the diameter – because the axle goes through the center of the wheel, it doesn't rest on the top of the wheel). Not sure why I didn't see that.

So the larger tires add about 15 mm (equal to about 0.6 inches) to the ground clearance.

Can I assume the extra width and height of the tires doesn't cause the tires, at any time, to rub up against anything that it shouldn't rub against?
 

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Old Aug 11, 2019 | 10:46 PM
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Anyhow ... I traded in the DX for a 2016 ex-l navi cvt; lovin' it except for the intermittent check engine light.
I have found this, on my 2015 ex, to be caused by
a) o2 sensor getting damp/wet
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b) when people drive it at too low rpm for the gear too often
i.e driving in 3rd gear when 2nd should really be used.

I've noticed it comes on when my wife drives it, and the upstream o2 sensor is the code. and it goes off after I drive it.

it also comes on during extensive driving in rain, same code
 
Old Aug 12, 2019 | 11:41 PM
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Can I assume the extra width and height of the tires doesn't cause the tires, at any time, to rub up against anything that it shouldn't rub against?
I never had issues with the 195/65 R15 Pirellis but after I replaced those with the Dunlop wintermax [same size] I started getting rubbing when suspension would bottom out which does not feel / hear good but other than that all good.
 
Old Aug 12, 2019 | 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by FunkTastic
I have found this, on my 2015 ex, to be caused by
a) o2 sensor getting damp/wet
and
b) when people drive it at too low rpm for the gear too often
i.e driving in 3rd gear when 2nd should really be used.

I've noticed it comes on when my wife drives it, and the upstream o2 sensor is the code. and it goes off after I drive it.

it also comes on during extensive driving in rain, same code
Dealer replaced my O2 sensor (about $850 CAD outside warranty) and they told me the same thing with the damp/wet. I have been doing short trips to the office only for the past 2 months or so. So after they fixed that I was trouble free for another 100 kms or so and then the CEL came back on with the catalitic converter below efficiency thresold thingie P0420 [over $2000 CAD quote with 5hr labour OUCH! ] and they told me I should try a few tanks of 91 premium from shell [ I use top tier 87 ]. ...... and I remembered something.... I used to do a tank of 91 shell nitro+ on my 2015 fit [6MT] and was trouble free after they replaced my injectors at 16k miles.... not to mention power delivery felt better on 91... so I think the dealer might be on to something... since with the CVT the engine barely touches 3k rpm with my style of driving. I did not argue with them and told them I will try a few tanks of 91 and report back to them in a few weeks. They reset the CEL for free and replaced my fob battery as well. So off to shell I go when I run low on gas on my current tank.
 

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