Legitimate coilovers
#23
03-08-2009, 03:13 PM
i got a question about ground control...can you pick any 2.5" ID spring?
on the GC site, they have G.C. spec springs, and they also have other springs.
also...have your springs ever been too short, as in does the shock extend further than the spring? cause if you get stiffer springs and want the car to sit lower, and you have the same travel in the shock, potentially, the shock can extend further than the spring will. do you need to use helper/assist springs in this case, or is there another alternative? can you adjust shock travel on konis?
on the dg's autox secrets stuff, it says that konis can be very unmatched when bought...is there any way to avoid this?
on the GC site, they have G.C. spec springs, and they also have other springs.
also...have your springs ever been too short, as in does the shock extend further than the spring? cause if you get stiffer springs and want the car to sit lower, and you have the same travel in the shock, potentially, the shock can extend further than the spring will. do you need to use helper/assist springs in this case, or is there another alternative? can you adjust shock travel on konis?
on the dg's autox secrets stuff, it says that konis can be very unmatched when bought...is there any way to avoid this?
Last edited by sl0wp0k3; 03-08-2009 at 03:39 PM.
#24
03-08-2009, 03:50 PM
I am a street "autocrosser" if there is such a thing. I really want to take it to a track and test the limits. I have been enjoying your discussion and have learned quite a bit.
#25
03-08-2009, 04:01 PM
i got a question about ground control...can you pick any 2.5" ID spring?
on the GC site, they have G.C. spec springs, and they also have other springs.
also...have your springs ever been too short, as in does the shock extend further than the spring? cause if you get stiffer springs and want the car to sit lower, and you have the same travel in the shock, potentially, the shock can extend further than the spring will. do you need to use helper/assist springs in this case, or is there another alternative? can you adjust shock travel on konis?
on the dg's autox secrets stuff, it says that konis can be very unmatched when bought...is there any way to avoid this?
on the GC site, they have G.C. spec springs, and they also have other springs.
also...have your springs ever been too short, as in does the shock extend further than the spring? cause if you get stiffer springs and want the car to sit lower, and you have the same travel in the shock, potentially, the shock can extend further than the spring will. do you need to use helper/assist springs in this case, or is there another alternative? can you adjust shock travel on konis?
on the dg's autox secrets stuff, it says that konis can be very unmatched when bought...is there any way to avoid this?
Yes i believe the correct spring for a gc sleeve is 2.5". Yes the spring very well may end up being loose when totally unsrung, and yes you use helper springs if you feel its an issue. But with front and rear roll bars no corner should become that unsprung unless your airborne
You can buy shortened koni shocks, but they are not adjustable per say. The only way to avoid it is to buy from a dealer who willl dyno them before they sell them. Tough to find. IMO even unmatched koni's will be FAR better then the "jdm" coilovers
#26
03-11-2009, 09:41 PM
To understand damping and setting up your suspension, this is a good read....
DGs Autocross Secrets aka Autocross to Win - Shocks
DGs Autocross Secrets aka Autocross to Win - Shocks
#27
03-14-2009, 01:03 PM
would you recommend a front strut tower bar or a lower tie bar for the fit? do they really make that much of a difference?
what spring rates came in the package with your mugen sports suspension? i think i saw 2.6 and 4.3kg/mm somewhere.
i saw in another thread that you liked buddy club n+ coilovers, what other ones do you like? (i.e. cusco, hks, KW)
do you have stiffer engine mounts? does the wheel hop go away with coilovers?
Last edited by sl0wp0k3; 03-15-2009 at 11:02 PM.
#28
03-16-2009, 08:23 PM
so...if they are unmatched you get them rebuilt to match? yea but like i said unless your running nationally its not worth it, you wont be able to tell.
would you recommend a front strut tower bar or a lower tie bar for the fit? do they really make that much of a difference?
lower bar absolutely not, strut bar i cant tell you, i havent felt a fit with one. though on my civic it made turn in more crisp.
what spring rates came in the package with your mugen sports suspension? i think i saw 2.6 and 4.3kg/mm somewhere.
i saw in another thread that you liked buddy club n+ coilovers, what other ones do you like? (i.e. cusco, hks, KW)
Buddy clubs are the only ones i like. KW ive heard many good things about but no personal experience. All other japanese companies are generally garbage.
do you have stiffer engine mounts? does the wheel hop go away with coilovers?
no and no. I will eventually get a engine damper i think.
would you recommend a front strut tower bar or a lower tie bar for the fit? do they really make that much of a difference?
lower bar absolutely not, strut bar i cant tell you, i havent felt a fit with one. though on my civic it made turn in more crisp.
what spring rates came in the package with your mugen sports suspension? i think i saw 2.6 and 4.3kg/mm somewhere.
i saw in another thread that you liked buddy club n+ coilovers, what other ones do you like? (i.e. cusco, hks, KW)
Buddy clubs are the only ones i like. KW ive heard many good things about but no personal experience. All other japanese companies are generally garbage.
do you have stiffer engine mounts? does the wheel hop go away with coilovers?
no and no. I will eventually get a engine damper i think.
#31
03-17-2009, 09:14 AM
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lol cool than because im new to the coilover game, and i figure to ask ppl that know more about coils, now my next one was the cusco comp-s coilover butmy friend with the k20 fit told me to wait for the Progressive Coilover, is there a big difference between them too ?
#33
03-17-2009, 07:17 PM
lol cool than because im new to the coilover game, and i figure to ask ppl that know more about coils, now my next one was the cusco comp-s coilover butmy friend with the k20 fit told me to wait for the Progressive Coilover, is there a big difference between them too ?
Cusco has never been a performance part company rather a "dress up part" company. They are probably fine for DD'ing and just to make your car lower but they wont be good for performance applications.
Heres my THEORY on the koni stuff. They currently just redesigned their SPSS racing spec damper, to go along with the new look and just update the casing and making them a bit better, a more "Modern" Shell.
I Believe they wouldnt just leave the koni sport "yellows" hanging with the old design. So I think instead of R&Ding the old stuff for the Fit, and then replacing it quickly with the new stuff. They just Designed them with the new design and are just waiting until they release the new design.
#34
03-17-2009, 09:49 PM
Cusco has never been a performance part company rather a "dress up part" company. They are probably fine for DD'ing and just to make your car lower but they wont be good for performance applications.
Heres my THEORY on the koni stuff. They currently just redesigned their SPSS racing spec damper, to go along with the new look and just update the casing and making them a bit better, a more "Modern" Shell.
I Believe they wouldnt just leave the koni sport "yellows" hanging with the old design. So I think instead of R&Ding the old stuff for the Fit, and then replacing it quickly with the new stuff. They just Designed them with the new design and are just waiting until they release the new design.
Heres my THEORY on the koni stuff. They currently just redesigned their SPSS racing spec damper, to go along with the new look and just update the casing and making them a bit better, a more "Modern" Shell.
I Believe they wouldnt just leave the koni sport "yellows" hanging with the old design. So I think instead of R&Ding the old stuff for the Fit, and then replacing it quickly with the new stuff. They just Designed them with the new design and are just waiting until they release the new design.
im new to the fit market... but koni has always had great products in the mr2 market... good to know they're evolving
#35
03-17-2009, 11:58 PM
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: New York LONG ISLAND
Posts: 2,873
Cusco has never been a performance part company rather a "dress up part" company. They are probably fine for DD'ing and just to make your car lower but they wont be good for performance applications.
Heres my THEORY on the koni stuff. They currently just redesigned their SPSS racing spec damper, to go along with the new look and just update the casing and making them a bit better, a more "Modern" Shell.
I Believe they wouldnt just leave the koni sport "yellows" hanging with the old design. So I think instead of R&Ding the old stuff for the Fit, and then replacing it quickly with the new stuff. They just Designed them with the new design and are just waiting until they release the new design.
Heres my THEORY on the koni stuff. They currently just redesigned their SPSS racing spec damper, to go along with the new look and just update the casing and making them a bit better, a more "Modern" Shell.
I Believe they wouldnt just leave the koni sport "yellows" hanging with the old design. So I think instead of R&Ding the old stuff for the Fit, and then replacing it quickly with the new stuff. They just Designed them with the new design and are just waiting until they release the new design.
#36
03-19-2009, 10:43 AM
There's only one real problem with DG's short-list of good shocks: They're hard to buy for the Fit.
I know Bilstein and Ohlins make dampers for GDs and sell them via Japanese channels (albeit really expensively), but Koni doesn't have anything according to their websites.
I know Bilstein and Ohlins make dampers for GDs and sell them via Japanese channels (albeit really expensively), but Koni doesn't have anything according to their websites.
#38
03-20-2009, 07:26 PM
like i said earlier if it were a race car that may be ok... but to have the fronts stiff enough to have high roll resistance it would be way to harsh for bumps. Stiffer front springs will do nothing for front accel grip and MAYBE will help braking but there are a lot of other components