Installing PROTOTYPE engine mounts from Innovative
 

Disclaimer: The following is provided as a GUIDE ONLY, and neither myself, nor Fitfreak.net take any responsibility for the outcome of someone else doing the following. You follow these steps at your own risk! If you are not extremely comfortable doing this get the help of a friend or 2 OR have a mechanic do it!

Thanks to GETTINAFIT for his much needed help during installation! Thanks to Innovative for hooking me up! and thanks to 03DSMRDX for helping me find Innovative!

It took me and gettinafit about 4 hours to install with air tools. We had to do some grinding to get the A/T tranny mount in but these are prototypes and Innovative designed them without having a car in their shop. Overall i'd say they did an AMAZING job. The majority of the install was done with a full-size jack (shown below). However we did use an engine stand (because it was available) at one point. I think a jack could be used for the whole thing but depending on how high you raise the vehicle the jack you are using might not give you enough clearance when raising the engine.

shall we begin!

First raise the vehicle on jackstands. Allow room for working under the car but too high and you will not be able to raise the engine from underneath. You will need a FULL SIZE jack similar to the one showed below (among other things).
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Then remove both front wheels. Lower the jack and place some wood on top of the jack. Place it under the engine close to the back as shown below.
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Then raise the jack up until it moves the engine up an inch or so.
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Remove the following(pics not included):
- air intake box
- battery
- battery tray

Now that we have got that mundane stuff out of the way let us take a look at the engine. Keep in mind that throughout this installation we were frequently jacking the engine up and down (within reason) to get the mounts out and in.

The picture following is a view of the A/T tranny mount. Looking at the arrows do the following:

- remove the 4 bolts labeled by the green arrows starting with the 1 that the wrench is on. This is the bolt that goes through the middle of the tranny mount. Take note of the red arrow. This is pointing to a plastic shroud that will need to be removed in order to get the bolt out. It is small and is easy to pry off. Just one clip. Then remove the 2 nuts and 1 bolt labeled with the blue arrows.
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This pick below shows the tranny mount after removing the 3 bolts holding the mount to the frame. You will need a pry bar also throughout this installation. Use the prybar to pry the old tranny mount out of the aluminum housing.
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Here's a pic of the old and new tranny mount side-by-side. The red part that is highlited was obstructing installation. We made it work (as you will see) but the production version will need to be modified. I notified Innovative and i am sure they will look into it.
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Another pic of the tranny mount.
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Old mount and aluminum bracket (that we will reuse)
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Here is a pic of the engine with the entire tranny mount and housing removed.
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Now we are not going to put the tranny mount back on yet. We need as much clearance as we can get for the rear engine mount. Raise the engine high up being careful about clearance and any engine hoses/clamps/etc...

Now lets take a look under the car.
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Remove the bolts marked with the green arrows in the pic above and remove the black mount bracket.

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Another pic of the rear from a different angle above. the bolt going through the center of the mount should be removed last.

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Now raise the engine up from the rear as shown above so you have more clearance to get to the bolt going through the mount.

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After you have removed the black mount cover you will need to remove 2 more bolts. 1 is shown by the green arrow. the other is not seen directly from this pic. After you remove them take out the rear mount.

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The pic above shows the new rear mount in its mounting position. green arrows indicate where the bolts go. Reinstall all hardware and mounting bracket.

Now that the rear is on we can put the tranny mount back in. Install the 3 tranny mount bolts but not the center bolt going thru the bushing. Then reinstall the aluminum housing as show. Use a rubber mallet or pry bar to get the housing in place while raising/lowering the engine for proper clearance. This took a little time to get in but it will go.
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Now thread the center bolt thru the bushing. Again you will have to raise/lower the engine slightly to get it thru. Then tighten everything up.
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Now lets do the passenger side mount shall we. Below shows 2 pics with the stock mount. Remove all bolts/nuts marked with the green arrows.
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The red arrow above points to the bolt that you will remove but not reuse.
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Above shows the other 2 nuts that should be removed. 1 is visible from the top and 1 is visible from underneath through the wheel well.

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Remove the 2 bolts holding the A/C line so you have a little more clearance to remove the mount.

Below are pics of the OEM and new mounts side-by-side.
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Note the metal spike attached to the OEM mount. I had to get a 10x40 1.25 bolt and nut to replace it.

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Now install the new mount and reuse the top part of the OEM mount or the stock bolts will not fit. Again raise/lower the engine and use a pry bar to get the bolts threaded.

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Above shows the new mount in place. Below shows the other side.

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Make sure everything is tightened up. I also used blue threadlock on some of the bolts.

NOW YOU ARE DONE:D Go out and put that power to the ground.

RESULTS:

- the construction of the mounts is TOP NOTCH! They are fantastic. All OEM hardware was re-used in installation.

- Initial startup has noticably more vibrations. It took a minute for the car to fully warm up but once it did vibrations reduced significanlty.

- Yes it does vibrate some and you hear much more of the engine but it is not as bad as i thought. I drove the car home 50 miles and on the highway vibration was nominal.

- Cabin vibration is suprisingly nominal. My radar detector was vibrating but it did that before. Fixed that when i got home. The Fit interior has it's quirks with noise. The mounts have made some of those noises more dominant. But that is to be expected. But i was expecting worse and was pleasantly surprised.

*remember i have a 75A rear mount. The 2 sides are 60A. I would say that a 60A rear mount would reduce the vibrations even more.

Now for performance:

- Throttle response is 100% better. Accelleration is smooth and lag between shifts has been noticably reduced.

- S mode is now more like a true manual. By that i mean that upshifts and especially downshifts are instantanious. Before if i downshifted it would pause at least a second after the tap for it to kick in. Now it is tap and GO!

Enjoy Fitfreaks.

Nice Write up!! Maybe I should become an Arm model? hehehe j/k

But yeah it was an easy install, but without the extra 30-45 minutes of customization, that would have been nicer!

I"m sure that innovative will make it right for the release kit!

Yeah your arm has been in more DIY's on this forum than i can remember. Great job bro!

excellent writeup. Only thing i dont see is the area where u had 2 notch the body for the mount to fit. It says the "red part highlighted" but i don't see it. None the less, great writeup. I'd love 2 get the engine mounts (all 60a of course) cuz i did wish my AT would shift a little faster. How much did the kit run anyways.

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The pic above shows it. Look where the mount meets the frame. Not a big deal.

I just got a response from Innovative. The received the pics i sent and will be correcting the problem with the tranny mount. Then they will send me one in raw form to check for fitment.

As for how much only the cost of OEM mounts and shipping to them. Being my car is a daily driver i did not want it to off road so i bought them and shipped them out. They designed the new ones and sent them to me.

I would think these mounts will probably retail in the same price range as their others. I'm just guessing so dont quote me but maybe 250 or so. That would be for a set of 60A mounts with red urethane and a black powder coat. Custom paint and colored urethane are additional accordin to there website. They are also coming out with a billet version i think. I will ask them and see if i can get a definitive answer.

P.S. The red arrow you are referring to is pointing to a plastic piece not seen in the picture. It needs to be removed in order to get the tranny bolt out.

Peace.

Very cool Leo...

when can we start ordering? Got a link?

Looks like I get to dump some more $$$ into my car!:eek:

Innovative Mounts
(714) 524-5246 - if the voicemail picks up and asks you for an extension press the number 1 and it should connect you to sales.

They are working on redesigning the tranny mount so it will fit in without any custom work. They are going to send me a mount to check for fitment so it could be another 3 to 4 weeks.

But i bet if people interested call them it might speed up the process;)

Here's a link to their website:

Welcome to Innovative Mounts

Spoke 2 innovative and they said the kit will be between $279 and $299 for all 60A mounts, black powdercoated, and red urethane. That is what they will have in stock. Custom paint or urethane will take additional time and cost somewhere around $30.

those mounts would be more effective if you had a manual tranny, save your money if you have an auto unless you are making loads of power.

Every bolt on performance part will make more power with a manual. But the fact is that there are probable 3 or 4 times more autos out there than manuals and i would like the most power i can get. They are worth the money IMO plus there are several boost kits coming out soon and these mounts would make a big difference.

You are absolutley right. Just because your driving an auto doesn't mean it won't make a difference. Plus when your in S mode it's like driving a manual anyway. Plus we have first hand testing on an auto to prove that it does make a difference. These will be nice when I purchase my JR charger! Which I can't wait for. Good right up by the way!

ohh i forgot to mention i have ZERO wheel hop now. used to have allot when cornering and in the wet weather. All gone now.

I can't be 100% but can any of you guys confirm that these mounts would fit on Honda Jazz/Fits sold outside of the USA? I'd assume that engine mounts would be the same, but I could be assuming wrong.

Life Savers!!!!!!
 

Just wanted to give special thanks to all the guys I've dealt with at Innovative Mounts to rush me a complete set of mounts for my Fit A/T.

I went with 75A bushings all around and Candy Apple Blue powdercoated steel mounts. It vibrates a tad bit more than stock which some people may/may not like. Go with the red bushings if you want comfort.

First class product all around!

Thanks Once Again to INNOVATIVE MOUNTS.

wow 75A, pretty stiff! i wish i had the 75A rear mount :(

yeah, definitely vibrates the dashboard but I don't mind.

Oh and thanks to "gettinafit" for the install!

so how does driving feel? shifts, WOT run, etc. write a review for everyone :)

word of caution to potential buyers, Innovative is having issues with the billet mounts on all cars. but the steel version has been flawless. so get the steel version for now. They are currently trying to resolve the issue.

Driving? With my 75A bushings it's nice and smooth while cruising at highway speeds. When you're at idle there is more vibration felt in the cabin. Response when you stomp on the gas seems better as well. Once again if you want to remain with stock comfort and feel then you want the RED BUSHINGS.

WOT is pretty nutz because it seems like the engine "got louder" - but in a good way, no stealth mode:eek: here but I suspect it's because of my H-Fit Supa Sucka intake. I can't explain it but I can really hear my engine working now and it seems "more alive" it's very cool! :D

I'm going on a road trip this weekend down to Virginia so I'll post more thoughts afterwards but so far I'm very happy with my Innovative mounts.

Didn't hear about the issue with the Billet mounts - whats the deal with that? I have steel and they are damn solid so I'm not concerned at all with mine.

it seems louder b/c engine noise and exhaust are resonated thru the cabin from stiffer mounts. :)

No Prob man! Thanks for dinner and the exhaust!

My back is slowly healing! hehe

so you got the power gatter now??

Soon....!!

where do you guys order from?

Welcome to Innovative Mounts

Phone(714) 524-5246

sales@innovativemounts.com

Some pics finally...
 

Well here's the reason I needed INNOVATIVE mounts in such a rush. Once again a heartfelt THANK YOU to all the guys at INNOVATIVE for helping me out.
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If you guys remember my disaster with the Cold Air Intake and a really deep puddle you'll remember that this is my Fit's second engine. Apparently the stock engine mount FAILED and I was driving around on just 2 engine mounts!:eek: I just can't win right?:(
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Luckily, I was considering getting some upgraded billet mounts from INNOVATIVE down the line...just not this soon!
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Credit Card and the best Honda mechanic I know - Lance(AKA - Gettinafit) to the rescue! FedEx did an overnight Saturday delivery so that we could get these slapped in ASAP.

INNOVATIVE did a super sweet job on the candy apple blue powdercoat and it looks great with the black 75A hardness bushing!

After removing all the packaging material. Initial thoughts? Wow these things look substantially tough! And they're pretty as heck!
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Looking into the engine compartment, this will replace the right side engine mount.
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Looking into the engine compartment, this will replace the rear engine mount.
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Looking into the engine compartment, these two pieces will replace the left side engine mount(the one I needed to replace).
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Here you can see the left side mount and how it pieces together. You'll also notice how nicely their candy apple blue powdercoat matches the OEM Vivid Blue Pearl paint.
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Next we moved on to replacing the right side mount. We seemed to experience the same problem that Leonine did. The mount needed some coaxing to fit onto the frame - luckily we had a rubber mallet handy!:eek: After a few smashes we got it to go in. I hope INNOVATIVE modifies this part so that future customers don't experience this minor problem. If you look closely we did scuff the powdercoating but it didn't matter to me as you can't see it when the battery tray is replaced. Once again you'll notice how nicely the paint matches the T1R brand Grounding kit.
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Here's a good look at the scuff marks...big deal. In no way will it affect the performance of the mount itself.
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Here's a look at the OEM right side mount. Notice the lack of material in the mount? Looks cheap compared to the INNOVATIVE product.
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We didn't get any shots of the rear mount install because we were quickly running out of daylight and because it was pretty tight quarters. According to Lance, this was the toughest part of the install only because it was so hard to move around in there.

Here's a good shot comparing the OEM rear mount vs. the INNOVATIVE part.
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Aaaaaah. All fixed! :D :) :D :)

Engine no longer holding on with just 2 OEM mounts.
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Good shot of the completed left side mount installed.
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And somewhere in there is the right side mount. I told you guys you wouldn't see the scuff marks!
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Final thoughts:

- If you're going to install these mounts make sure you have the proper tools necessary as well as the time and mechanical know how to get the job done right. If not, seriously find someone that does!

- Red LocTite is your friend!

- I recently went on a road trip from Long Island, New York to Virginia Beach, Virginia and back. I also commute 120 miles a day at least 5 days a week. I have had no issues/problems with the upgraded mounts so far.

- Innovative's 75A bushing hardness sacrifices comfort for increased performance. The cabin rattles at 1500RPM and when the engine is cold. When it's warmed up it isn't so bad but it's definitely there. You also hear more engine noise at all RPM's as the stiffer mounts transfer everything back your way. Some people may like it, others won't. I intend to go forced induction sooner or later so 75A was a must for me, in my opinion.

- If you want OEM-like comfort you can always order their 60A bushing hardness. Innovative mounts will still be better than anything OEM.


Once again all statements and opinions posted above are my own based on my own knowledge of my 2007 Honda Fit Sport A/T. YMMV. Happy motoring guys........:)

Wow what a writeup! De-ja-vu! Happy things are well. Glad I could help!

How much did they run you Wave? I'm looking to purchasing a set for my MT next month!

Best bet is to call them...
Phone(714) 524-5246

wow! great stuff guys:D . Has anyone installed the 60A kit.?????? would like to hear how it feels befor buying. trying to keep the wife from bit#!%&* at me. :rolleyes:

I'm just about to install a full set in 60A. I'm gonna be sending Innovative my MT's tranny mount for R&D on it. They already have the set for the automatics available but with the R&D they will do using the tranny kit I'm sending them they will have the set for us MTs. I'm gonna get a sweet deal for providing the OEM mount. :cool:

I'll keep you guys posted!

Cool M/T replacement mounts!

Are these mounts available now for MT? I am taking a road trip from calgary, ab canada to Los angeles in the fit this july and want to pick some of these up! Where can I pick up a set of these? Direct from them or is there a local shop in LA that I can get them from?

I'm offly sorry but I still haven't gotten around to sending the OEM tranny mount to them to get it fabed and fitted. I guess no one else has jumped the gun on me yet. I have to call Tim and schedule the shipment so they can work on it. My guess is that they still aren't available and everyone is waiting for someone like me to help them fab the tranny mount.

This is true! SEND EM already!

Actually I called and they said that they were just finishing up the design and they MT mounts will be available in a couple weeks. I want to pick up a set in July when I am down the Cali, so they should be ready by then.. i hope.. anyone have an idea on MSRP on the MT ones?

If it's priced right, wanna get me a set while you are down there? :)

for sure man.. i'll let you know.. I'm gonna be like a "fat kid in a candy store" when i'm in cali.. :D .. so many things to buy for the Fit lol.

Awesome thread. Great pics :)

thanks.
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