Could one of you guys send my your FIC tune...I ditched the Fcon and got the FIC in its place....my email is


ucfjones@live.com




Thanks!

 

Please? I'll beg if I have too?

 

...ok now I'm begging...happy? Someone please...

 

ive spent wayyy to much on tuning my FIC to give my map away. sorry

but it really inst difficult to setup adn create a base map.
read the install instructions for the FIC and the AEM forums, it pretty much tells you how to do everyhitng.
calibrating the FIC is VERY easy. set up your table values for your desired RPM and boost.
the timing map has a tool to create the map for you
a/f table...gradually richen it up in boost/as the rpms climb to 11.5 a/f. dont mess with it in vacuum.
i will post the voltage ->a/f ratio table tonight for you.

fuel table.... scale back your injectors from 185cc to whatever you have installed now. gradually add fuel to match the a/f table. you dont have ot be accurate in thhis step, your short term fuel trims will compensate to reach the target a/f ratio create din the a/f map. however you cant drive liek this for too long.

that should get you to be able to drive your car to your tuner.

 

Really? That's kinda lame

I spend months on my tunes and those of friends but we will still share them with others in the community. Some tunes are constantly evolving.. like everytime I get in the car and plug in the lap top.

It's not like they aren't going to have to modify them considerably anyways.

This isn't like homework or a test they are copying.. it's an ECU tune that will work differently on every car, there is still plenty of work involved on their end. Why not help someone in need?

Not everyone has the time or ability to start from nothing, I thought that is what this forum is for? I had the same issues when I was just starting out with an AEM standalone unit when I was 17 and relatively clueless.

Fortunately those around me "who had been there and done that" didn't share your perspective.

Unfortunately, I don't have FIC software or I would love to help.

 

You sir are a cock.

His setup isn't going to be identical to yours even if he has all of the same components. You're perpetuating the problem of people overcharging for tunes by causing everyone to start from scratch, rather than start from a good basemap. You spent so much because there was no good basemap to start with, and you had to tune from scratch. Stop being a bitter jackass and think about the big picture. You're actually costing everyone more money.

 

I didn't think it would be an issue either but I do realize the not "giving away for free" idea. I just want anyone to know that even with your tune, I still have a lot of customization to do....back in the day plenty of people shared maps....mostly crome and turbo edit...but that was then and this is now.

...by the way, once I get my tune finished I'd be glad to post it up, call me old fashion...

 

Every single tune I did on hondata s300 I posted online. I must've tuned close to 100 unique s300 setups. Even the unique one-off setups, like a supercharged D-Series 1.4 liter engine, all in hopes that it would help someone.

I never looked at it as losing money, just saving myself work, and saving someone from killing their engine by driving to me on a potentially unsafe tune.

 

Exactly, this is all about helping DIY guys, not like we are asking for public posting of proprietary data from a Le Mans team with countless man hours and a multimillion dollar exposure.

 

Wow that is pretty crazy I must admit. Back when I first got K-Pro for my Teggy R, thankfully a good individual in the UK sent me a decent basemap. It included a Toda exmani like I had, an exhaust and Mugen intake. I was using the GruppeM intake so I had to make changes throughout the tune, but the tune was a great beginning. Being I had no dyno to tune on, this with me doing street pulls in a business district in the middle of the night got my car running wonderfully. And as DSM stated, even then the tune was always being tweaked. No single day was the tune perfect for the next day with differing atmospheric pressure, humidity and temperature all playing a role.

Please reconsider your negative way of thinking in helping out a community. If anything I'm sure the guy would be willing to slip a couple bucks your way if that is what it took for some help.

Damn what the hell kind of society do we really live in today? Don't get me wrong, I'm not about free handouts to those that think they should receive for not contributing to the community, but come on.

 

One guy asked me not to post his tune (a b18 vtec conversion with a JR SC and a mean exhaust) and I told him the price I'd charge per hour if he wanted to be the sole owner of 'his' tune. He said "oh, ok. Yeah, you can do whatever you want with it." I spent like 9 hours getting the kinks out of that stupid car, even with a basemap, because he had an RPM controlled electronic cut-out. Had I not used a b18 vtec basemap, and a b16 JR SC basemap to work from, it would have taken a substantially longer. I think I wound up charging him $150/hr for dyno time, and $75 for street time (in germany on the autobahns). Some teams I tuned for claimed that their drivers complained about a difference when they changed tire diameter, which made me go back and tune again. But this was all at their request, because even 0.01 seconds a lap was going to make the difference (think 11 miles of road-race track.)

@NIGHTHAWKSI: If you spent more than that on your tune, you either had a very unskilled tuner (in which case I'd be more concerned with the longevity of my engine) or your tuner took you for a ride -- and that tuner will take everyone for a ride if the customer doesn't come with a decent basemap. For all I know you might have shown up with a good basemap, and your tuner started from scratch... That would be a dick move, something that should never happen.

I would understand if all of it was dyno-tuned, along with several hundred hours of skilled data logging, along with driver to tuner communication while on track. *That* kind of tuning is expensive as hell, and requires a tuner much more skilled than I, in that case, I'd still share my tune, but at that point it's going to be so unique to your engine that it would be *worse* than a basemap for any other particular setup.

But don't listen to me, I'm just a hippie who shares everything. Keep your proprietary 'tune' to yourself. I hope it makes you feel special that nobody will ever use that unique 10% of your tune (keep in mind that everyone has the same IL4 engine, and most of the fueling and timing tables is EXACTLY the same,) because this is the kind of mentality that will eventually kill the Grassroots community -- thank god you're a minority and will never share anything of value and further decay the hobby.

 

wow. so much hate. lol

i was given a basemap. it was garbage. car surged like crazy at idle.
so i started from scratch. you know, reading, teaching myself, etc. all the stuff that people are too lazy to do anymore. so no, i didnt spend more on my tune because it was started from scratch...becuase by the time i went to my tuner, there was a tune already on my FIC, that i created. people need initiative.

unfortunatly yes, i did spend more than that on my tune. like you said, had a shitty tuner...said they knew what they were doing, obvisouly didnt.
$600 at one shitty place, $450 and another to actually make it drivable.


but hey, your right, i am a cock. i am the only one running the FIC on this forum, right? /sarcasm. but at least i gave the guy some instructions on how to get himself started.
thats not enough, alright...ill email him the basemap that i started with.

and you got paid to make that b18 JR tune, so, why woudl you care if you posted it? so that point is kinda irrelevant.

OP, PM me your email address and ill send a base over after i get out of work.

 

Sucks, you must've gotten a tune that someone either didn't know wtf they were doing, or had some crazy specialized setup.

That's how most of us got started. I had a d-series 1.4 liter engine, something unheard of in north america, and I wanted to build it. I had to start from a d16 engine's tune, and that never worked because the d16 was completely different compression and had different torque curves. Basically, it ran like ass before I started from scratch, so I know your pain dude. I didn't mean to come off like an ass, but srsly, what pain does it cause you if you share your work?

I gave discounts when I tuned people's setups who already had a streetable tune. At that point all the hard work had been done, I was just cleaning it up and making the most VE I could.

Yeah, that just highlights the issue that too many people think it's easy to tune, so they wind up fucking over other people. It makes me really pissed off that so many unskilled people call themselves tuners.

The customer didn't want it shared. I never included customer's names when I shared maps/tunes but he didn't want me to share it or use it as a starting point for other people's tunes. I told him "If you want me to not use any of the knowledge I gain while tuning your engine on anyone else's engine, then I'm going to need to charge you more to make up for the extra time I'm going to have to spend as a direct result of you not allowing me to use this data again." He decided that it was in his best interest not to buy the full rights to his tune, and only pay me for the time I spent working on his car. If I could post it, I could help out everyone else who has a similar setup.

There was a team who actually did buy the full rights to their tunes -- that was a different animal completely.

In the end, that's all we wanted you to share, something that will get him from his house to the tuner safely. Something really conservative, low boost, low power, safe on the engine and turbo. Just something 11:1 across the board would work for that; agreed, the OP could probably do it himself, but some people need a little push.

NIGHTHAWKSI, thanks for helping him out. I don't want to be jerk, but when something as near and dear to my heart as grassroots racing gets threatened (whether it be real or not) my fight or flight response kicks in and I don't have much of a flight response, I'm too dumb to run away.

 

As aggravating and time consuming as tuning everything yourself can be at times it is entirely worth it, and for more than just monetary reasons. If you understand your computer, how it works and the data you are looking at, it makes diagnosis of problems far easier.

One of the Admins (Dave Mertz) on the ECMLink forum was able to diagnose a problem called crankwalk (excess crankshaft end-play after too much wearing on a specific thrust bearing, so bad news in other words) because the engine load (Grams of Air/Revolution/Cylinder) was reading a little high (0.35g/rev vs .24g/rev) even though everything else (STFT, Front Oxy sensor, TPS, RPM, BattVolt, ISCPos, CoolTemp, etc.) looked normal for idle conditions on a 2.0L. This indicated excess load somewhere, and his guess was excess crank end play, and sure enough, thats what it was.

So the point is Dave, to his credit is very clever, was not a mechanic or tuner by training or profession, at least originally. But after looking at thousands of datalogs across different platforms he was able to identify a major internal engine problem (rotating assembly, specifically main bearings) from one datalog over the internet hundreds of miles and several states away.

It is something a serious car enthusiast should want to understand if not for that alone.

But then there is the power it gives you in what you can do with your projects. Like tuning different fuels, being able to swap turbos and not have to go back to get bent over at the dyno each time on top of the cost of buying the parts in the first place.

There are only a couple groups around the entirety of Chicagoland that I would even consider going to for tuning. The best one being AMS, but good luck getting Chris or anyone to give you the time of day unless you are forking over big money or having them build you something too..

There are just too many operations like the fine folks @ MPH, who will take a car with a fresh motor and the appropriate supporting mods and blow your HG or melt a piston and blame you for it.

Or even better they will give you no margin of safety (pulling a degree or two from MBT and running a couple points leaner), neglecting things like the fact that most cars spool sooner on the street causing you too run dangerously lean and melt a valve on the first cold night with your new tune.

There are now a total of 4 friends and aquaitances who have run into a catastrophic failure like this over the past couple years. As well as one friend that didn't even get to the tuning phase and lost a built valvetrain and brand new pistons because the shop that built it left a rag in an intake manifold, forgot about it and slapped the TB on and let her rip the next day. They eventually ended up paying for it because a few of their own fluff photos that they were sending the owner showed the very same rag in the IM before they bored out the TB hole.

 

I would be curious to see one...

What file format are AEMs FIC files? Maybe you could post screen shots?

 

alot of info can be found here
AEM F/IC Piggyback

never got the OP's email adrress, and i cant figure out how to attach things to posts on this forum.

 

well his email is in the first post of this thread

 

lol. my bad. tune coming your way after i get out of work.

 

Thanks for the link...good stuff there!

 

creating new thread...this one...well...