Some Fit Odometers may overstate mileage
Late to this...
I'm making the assumption that the odometer and speedo are SIMILARLY innacurate- meaning if the speedo is 2% fast, the odo reads 2% high.
Is anyone suggesting that the speedo and odo aren't calibrated with each other? Like 60.0mph indicated =/ 60.0 miles travelled in one hour? I would imagine that they are 1 to 1 calibrated, not individually. That would be completely stupid on Honda's part, no?
-matt
Is anyone suggesting that the speedo and odo aren't calibrated with each other? Like 60.0mph indicated =/ 60.0 miles travelled in one hour? I would imagine that they are 1 to 1 calibrated, not individually. That would be completely stupid on Honda's part, no?
-matt
I have checked my Speedo and it is dead on, but my odometer is off by 2.5%-3%.Actually it doesn't make much sense to have them connected because of a few reasons.
Number one is that the Speedo is an ****og gauge with a cable, and the Odometer is a digital readout. If they were connected they would have to have some kind of ****og/digital conversion going on.
Another issue is that they are measuring different things. The Odometer needs to know how many times the wheels rotate whether it takes seconds or a week or 10 years. The Speedometer doesn't care if the wheels spin 5 times or 100,000 times just how long each rotation takes to occur.
Another problem is the required accuracy. An Odometer is supposed to stay accurate down to the 1/10th mile over hundreds of thousands of miles. The Speedometer however, really only needs to be accurate up to 114mph (or whatever the Fits top speed is).
If you were to connect the two in some way one would need to be derived from the other. If the Speedo were derived from the Odometer than it would need to add a very accurate timer into its wheel revolution counting, as well as a motor to move the Speedo needle (or go to a digital Speedo). If the Odometer was derived from the Speedo than a computer would have to convert the ****og motions of the Speedometer cable into a digital MPH number and then incredibly accurately measure how many milliseconds were spend at each speed in order to calculate how many miles were traversed.
Number one is that the Speedo is an ****og gauge with a cable, and the Odometer is a digital readout. If they were connected they would have to have some kind of ****og/digital conversion going on.
Another issue is that they are measuring different things. The Odometer needs to know how many times the wheels rotate whether it takes seconds or a week or 10 years. The Speedometer doesn't care if the wheels spin 5 times or 100,000 times just how long each rotation takes to occur.
Another problem is the required accuracy. An Odometer is supposed to stay accurate down to the 1/10th mile over hundreds of thousands of miles. The Speedometer however, really only needs to be accurate up to 114mph (or whatever the Fits top speed is).
If you were to connect the two in some way one would need to be derived from the other. If the Speedo were derived from the Odometer than it would need to add a very accurate timer into its wheel revolution counting, as well as a motor to move the Speedo needle (or go to a digital Speedo). If the Odometer was derived from the Speedo than a computer would have to convert the ****og motions of the Speedometer cable into a digital MPH number and then incredibly accurately measure how many milliseconds were spend at each speed in order to calculate how many miles were traversed.
OK. The speedo in my 1988 Mazda 323 was driven by a mechanical cable. Are you trying to tell me that the Fit uses a cable, not a wire? Like I mean braided metal cable, not wire...
Please see this picture:
Vehicle Speed Signal Circuit Troubleshooting
I see an electronic vehicle speed sensor, no doubt sending it's electronic signal via the attached wires to the wiring harness and on to a computer.
I would imagine that even if the odo came from the transmission and the speed came from this speed sensor, certainly they both are measured from a precise number of wheel revolutions- one just requires time to be known. And since time IS known by your car's computer, we get speed from individual wheel revolutions. Given this, why could they not make the electronic conversion work out to the same number? Incidentally, I'd be a hard sell that they'd bother making two sensors for one reason- wheel revolutions.
In the days of mechanical speed sensors, a gear made the speed register correctly. But this ones not mechanical- it's electronic, meaning the computer is only getting a count of revolutions, and then calculating a rate via time and then sending THAT to the ****og, although electonic speedo. The electronic count of revolutions is sent to the digital odo. God I hope so anyway.
If I'm wrong, in this day of microprocessors and mega-computers, honda can KMA.
Not your problem, I know.
Please see this picture:
Vehicle Speed Signal Circuit Troubleshooting
I see an electronic vehicle speed sensor, no doubt sending it's electronic signal via the attached wires to the wiring harness and on to a computer.
I would imagine that even if the odo came from the transmission and the speed came from this speed sensor, certainly they both are measured from a precise number of wheel revolutions- one just requires time to be known. And since time IS known by your car's computer, we get speed from individual wheel revolutions. Given this, why could they not make the electronic conversion work out to the same number? Incidentally, I'd be a hard sell that they'd bother making two sensors for one reason- wheel revolutions.
In the days of mechanical speed sensors, a gear made the speed register correctly. But this ones not mechanical- it's electronic, meaning the computer is only getting a count of revolutions, and then calculating a rate via time and then sending THAT to the ****og, although electonic speedo. The electronic count of revolutions is sent to the digital odo. God I hope so anyway.
If I'm wrong, in this day of microprocessors and mega-computers, honda can KMA.
Not your problem, I know.
Last edited by eyedryve; Jan 3, 2007 at 09:24 PM.
anyone get something about this yet? i did
Parts & Service Operations - Warranty Blank
came in the mail today
http://www.odosettlementinfo.com/Vau...d%20Notice.pdf
Parts & Service Operations - Warranty Blank
came in the mail today
http://www.odosettlementinfo.com/Vau...d%20Notice.pdf
OK. The speedo in my 1988 Mazda 323 was driven by a mechanical cable. Are you trying to tell me that the Fit uses a cable, not a wire? Like I mean braided metal cable, not wire...
Please see this picture:
Vehicle Speed Signal Circuit Troubleshooting
I see an electronic vehicle speed sensor, no doubt sending it's electronic signal via the attached wires to the wiring harness and on to a computer.
I would imagine that even if the odo came from the transmission and the speed came from this speed sensor, certainly they both are measured from a precise number of wheel revolutions- one just requires time to be known. And since time IS known by your car's computer, we get speed from individual wheel revolutions. Given this, why could they not make the electronic conversion work out to the same number? Incidentally, I'd be a hard sell that they'd bother making two sensors for one reason- wheel revolutions.
In the days of mechanical speed sensors, a gear made the speed register correctly. But this ones not mechanical- it's electronic, meaning the computer is only getting a count of revolutions, and then calculating a rate via time and then sending THAT to the ****og, although electonic speedo. The electronic count of revolutions is sent to the digital odo. God I hope so anyway.
If I'm wrong, in this day of microprocessors and mega-computers, honda can KMA.
Not your problem, I know.
Please see this picture:
Vehicle Speed Signal Circuit Troubleshooting
I see an electronic vehicle speed sensor, no doubt sending it's electronic signal via the attached wires to the wiring harness and on to a computer.
I would imagine that even if the odo came from the transmission and the speed came from this speed sensor, certainly they both are measured from a precise number of wheel revolutions- one just requires time to be known. And since time IS known by your car's computer, we get speed from individual wheel revolutions. Given this, why could they not make the electronic conversion work out to the same number? Incidentally, I'd be a hard sell that they'd bother making two sensors for one reason- wheel revolutions.
In the days of mechanical speed sensors, a gear made the speed register correctly. But this ones not mechanical- it's electronic, meaning the computer is only getting a count of revolutions, and then calculating a rate via time and then sending THAT to the ****og, although electonic speedo. The electronic count of revolutions is sent to the digital odo. God I hope so anyway.
If I'm wrong, in this day of microprocessors and mega-computers, honda can KMA.
Not your problem, I know.
They could also be sharing a single sensor and having it do two functions. I would think they could make one sensor that would both output a voltage based on speed to the speedo and send a pulse to the ECU for each complete revolution.
If there was a problem with that sensor than we would see it in both the speedo and odometer, for example having too large of tires. There is still some calibration that would go on after the split point where things could be wrong.
I'm just trying find a way to explain what I'm seeing on my own car, the speedo is dead accurate and the odometer is off by 3%.
odometer
What happens to the Fits built between Nov 8 2007 and the new 2008 models?
If you leased and were charged overages, you could be due money..
If you purchased, than you don't have to do anything.
IF the case is found in favor of the suing party, than honda will be forced to add a little bit to your base warranty, or extended warranty.
though if you paid for repairs after the warrenty expired (wow, anyone there yet??), that would normally have been covered under warranty, then you might be due reimbursement for that.
If you purchased, than you don't have to do anything.
IF the case is found in favor of the suing party, than honda will be forced to add a little bit to your base warranty, or extended warranty.
though if you paid for repairs after the warrenty expired (wow, anyone there yet??), that would normally have been covered under warranty, then you might be due reimbursement for that.
I checked my Odometer with the highway postings and it looks like my Odometer is over 3/10 of a mile off on a 25 mile trip. Has anyone out there experienced this issue?
Last edited by bigmac; Mar 26, 2007 at 06:46 PM.
There was an article in the usa today about 1.5 months ago saying that honda's (including the fit) had a mileage issue. Honda was supposed to be providing the warranty for a little longer.. for example a 100000 mile warranty would be honored until 110000 or something like that. Not sure if they can "fix" the odometer or not via a recall
check this out
Parts & Service Operations - Warranty Blank
Called honda and they referred me to this site.. Only certain fits are affected..hope this helps
Parts & Service Operations - Warranty Blank
Called honda and they referred me to this site.. Only certain fits are affected..hope this helps
check this out
Parts & Service Operations - Warranty Blank
Called honda and they referred me to this site.. Only certain fits are affected..hope this helps
Parts & Service Operations - Warranty Blank
Called honda and they referred me to this site.. Only certain fits are affected..hope this helps



