Fit Suspension & Brake Modifications Threads discussing suspension and brake related modifications for the Honda Fit

DIY: Koni Yellows for GD3 rear

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 08-23-2012, 10:55 PM
mike410's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 620
Cool DIY: Koni Yellows for GD3 rear

Alright since there weren't any aftermarket performance rear shocks available, I did some research and figured out what would have the best chance of working.

So first off the Koni's are the model 8041-1191 Sport, which are for a Saab 900 NG (94-98).

The Monroe air shocks that people use on the Fit is from a J-body (82-94). The J-body guys use the Saab Konis for their rear. So I figured I'd give it a shot. The shocks are a little bit longer but compress to be an inch or two shorter.

The only other part you need is washers that fit the bottom bolt and enough of them to make up about 14mm of space (7mm per side). I used a washer with a 3/8" hole.


Step 1: Jack the rear of the car up to take most of the load off the struts to make it easier to get the bottom bolt out.

Step 2: Remove the bottom bolt with a 14mm socket/wrench.

Name:  IMG_20120823_183429.jpg
Views: 2390
Size:  58.3 KB

It is easier if you leave the shock sitting in it pocket as it won't fall down as the top nut is loosened.

Step 3: Remove the plastic cover above the top of the shock.

Name:  IMG_20120823_183930.jpg
Views: 2144
Size:  72.5 KB

Just put your finger or a screwdriver in this slot and pull up.

Name:  IMG_20120823_183952.jpg
Views: 2122
Size:  59.2 KB

Now you can see the nut that needs to be removed.

Name:  IMG_20120823_184006.jpg
Views: 2086
Size:  67.2 KB

Step 4: Remove the nut with a 14mm wrench and a 5mm allen wrench in the center to keep the strut from spinning.

Name:  IMG_20120823_184106.jpg
Views: 2088
Size:  112.0 KB

Name:  IMG_20120823_184129.jpg
Views: 2131
Size:  80.7 KB

Once that is off you can remove the metal washer and the rubber mount and put them aside. Then remove the shock from the pocket and the other rubber mount from where the shock passes through the body if it didnt come off with the shock.

Step 5: Since the Koni has a larger top mount diameter the washer needes the hole drilled out to fit.

Name:  IMG_20120823_185017.jpg
Views: 2107
Size:  108.0 KB

A 15/32 drill bit.

Name:  IMG_20120821_171955.jpg
Views: 2124
Size:  70.5 KB

In the drill and ready to go.

Name:  IMG_20120823_185144.jpg
Views: 2091
Size:  106.7 KB

Secure it in a vice.

Name:  IMG_20120823_185218.jpg
Views: 2076
Size:  69.0 KB

Hole enlarged.

Name:  IMG_20120823_185356.jpg
Views: 2101
Size:  67.5 KB

I grabbed a file and smoothed out the edges from the drilling.

Name:  IMG_20120823_185713.jpg
Views: 2109
Size:  125.0 KB

Slides right on.

Name:  IMG_20120823_185835.jpg
Views: 2108
Size:  75.6 KB

The mounts, washer, bolts in order they go on.

Name:  IMG_20120823_185920.jpg
Views: 2073
Size:  79.4 KB

Step 6: Put the external rubber mount on the top of the shock.

Name:  IMG_20120823_185943.jpg
Views: 2068
Size:  66.7 KB

Then place the top of the shock through its hole in the body and then place the bottom in its pocket.

Name:  IMG_20120823_190134.jpg
Views: 2071
Size:  50.8 KB

Just a bit of manual compression needed to get it into place.

Name:  IMG_20120823_190206.jpg
Views: 2057
Size:  53.4 KB

The view from the inside.

Name:  IMG_20120823_190243.jpg
Views: 2123
Size:  79.2 KB

Step 7: Grab a 19mm wrench and put the rubber mount followed by the metal washer, then the first nut. Tighten that down, but dont over do it. No need to squish the rubber mount excessively. The stock setup had a metal bushing type thing that limited how far the bolt would go down. Put the second nut on to prevent the first one from backing off

Name:  IMG_20120823_190513.jpg
Views: 2086
Size:  63.5 KB

Now the top is in and secure, time to finish up the bottom.



Since the shocks aren't for our car the bottom mount is a bit narrower.

Stock lower mount width, mine measured 44.03mm

Name:  IMG_20120821_171754.jpg
Views: 2060
Size:  95.3 KB

And the Konis measured 36.14mm

Name:  IMG_20120821_171818.jpg
Views: 2072
Size:  82.4 KB

This leaves space (roughly 8mm) that is going to be made up by the washers

Step 8: Grab the washers that fit around the lower bolt.

Name:  IMG_20120823_190601.jpg
Views: 2079
Size:  111.5 KB

They all varied a bit but were roughly 1.7mm thick.

Name:  IMG_20120823_190616.jpg
Views: 2050
Size:  91.8 KB

All four for one side together.

Name:  IMG_20120823_190641.jpg
Views: 2073
Size:  83.3 KB

The front two are easy to get in. The rear ones could be a bit trickier. I used a screwdriver from the opposite side of the bolt to hold them in
place.

Name:  IMG_20120823_192908.jpg
Views: 2074
Size:  48.5 KB

Tighten down the bolt (40 lbs-ft of tq) and that side is done.

Name:  IMG_20120823_191138.jpg
Views: 2063
Size:  50.9 KB

Repeat the process on the other side and you now have a nice set of performance shocks for the rear of your car.

Also throw the adjuster knob on and set them to whatever setting you want.

Name:  IMG_20120823_192147.jpg
Views: 2085
Size:  64.9 KB

Since I am bagged I don't see myself figuring out the front first hand. I do have a stock strut that I may be willing to cut open to determine which Koni insert would be necessary to use.

Any other questions feel free to ask and I will answer them to the best of my ability.

Thanks for reading,

Mike
 

Last edited by mike410; 08-23-2012 at 10:58 PM.
  #2  
Old 08-23-2012, 11:07 PM
Texas Coyote's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Anderson County Texas
Posts: 7,388
That is slicker than a snot coated shift knob... I had a problem with the length of my air shocks with shorter than stock springs.. Whenever I raised the rear end off of the ground the springs would fall from the perches and onto the floor... Anyone using dropped springs would need to use shocks a couple of inches shorter...
 
  #3  
Old 08-23-2012, 11:08 PM
mike410b's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
iTrader: (12)
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: .
Posts: 7,543
Mike410 is the bestest.

I will do some due diligence to try and figure out the ideal spring rates for the stock damping on the Konis.
 
  #4  
Old 08-24-2012, 12:00 AM
solbrothers's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Vallejo, Ca
Posts: 7,343
92-00 civics and 94-01 teggys can use up to 600lb springs, but that's a coilover. I wonder what the fit coilovers have for spring rates.
 
  #5  
Old 08-24-2012, 12:05 AM
mike410b's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
iTrader: (12)
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: .
Posts: 7,543
Civic/Integra spring rates for their respective Yellows should have no bearing/indication on the rates for the Saab 900 shocks. If they do then the Yellow is hugely overrated.
 
  #6  
Old 08-24-2012, 12:06 AM
solbrothers's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Vallejo, Ca
Posts: 7,343
really? I thought all koni yellows were the same?
 
  #7  
Old 08-24-2012, 08:22 AM
pearl's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
Join Date: May 2011
Location: NC
Posts: 270
love this! need to head over to the auto parts store and see if i can compare the saab front struts with the fit ones.

Name:  picture0021.jpg
Views: 2257
Size:  131.3 KB
found this from a saab 9-3 aero thread.
 

Last edited by pearl; 08-24-2012 at 08:28 AM.
  #8  
Old 08-24-2012, 09:48 AM
apexanimal's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: MI
Posts: 1,213
this thread is winning in a huge way...

nice going mike... i'm willing to help out to find out what koni's will fit the fronts to match the yellow's you put on in the rears... lmk what i can do and it'll get done...

nice job
 
  #9  
Old 08-24-2012, 11:10 AM
avocado123's Avatar
FALCON PUNCH!!
5 Year Member
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Orlando, Fl
Posts: 1,020
Tagged for interest
 
  #10  
Old 08-24-2012, 11:26 AM
Wanderer.'s Avatar
Member
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Hayward, CA
Posts: 4,364
I've been expecting the drivers to go ahead and figure something out for themselves since the aftermarket won't put much out.

If you don't supply it, we'll find another way.

I'm glad someone is putting the time into this Mike410. A+, thank you.
 
  #11  
Old 08-24-2012, 07:19 PM
solbrothers's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Vallejo, Ca
Posts: 7,343
I wanted to be the first

but you did all the legwork so we can reap the benefits!
 
  #12  
Old 08-31-2012, 10:15 AM
apexanimal's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: MI
Posts: 1,213
here's something i've always wondered:

are the adjustments for the yellows for rebound? compression? both?
 
  #13  
Old 08-31-2012, 01:23 PM
TPColgett's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Hayward CA
Posts: 1,952
Tagged for interest... Going to eventually have to replace my Tokico HTS's eventually...
 
  #14  
Old 08-31-2012, 01:55 PM
mike410's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 620
So in order to make the install more complete I wanted to find a metal bushing that could fit over the shaft as the stock one was too small.

I found this 1/2 x 5/8 x 1 1/2 bushing at lowes

Name:  IMG_20120824_141237.jpg
Views: 2061
Size:  107.1 KB

Stock on the right

Name:  IMG_20120824_141326.jpg
Views: 2035
Size:  118.9 KB

Fits into the rubber mount with a little bit of force

Name:  IMG_20120824_141349.jpg
Views: 2010
Size:  122.5 KB



Originally Posted by apexanimal
here's something i've always wondered:

are the adjustments for the yellows for rebound? compression? both?
From what I read on their site it is the dampening force that is adjustable so that is compression
 
  #15  
Old 08-31-2012, 10:55 PM
apexanimal's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: MI
Posts: 1,213
^thanks!

where does that spacer/bushing fit in the scheme of things?
 
  #16  
Old 08-31-2012, 11:19 PM
mike410's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 620
Originally Posted by apexanimal
^thanks!

where does that spacer/bushing fit in the scheme of things?
In this

Name:  IMG_20120824_141349.jpg
Views: 2028
Size:  122.5 KB

then on this

Name:  IMG_20120823_185943.jpg
Views: 2138
Size:  66.7 KB

then the other rubber thing goes over the bushing inside of the car with the metal washer and the two nuts, like so

Name:  IMG_20120823_185920.jpg
Views: 2179
Size:  79.4 KB

Name:  IMG_20120823_190523.jpg
Views: 2050
Size:  70.8 KB

and if this doesnt make sense. It will when you take the stock stuff apart
 
  #17  
Old 09-01-2012, 08:51 AM
apexanimal's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: MI
Posts: 1,213
yeah i think that does... still a sweet write up...

i tried to do a bit of reasearch yesterday on compatible front struts but i didn't get much of anywhere...
 
  #18  
Old 09-01-2012, 09:54 AM
mike410's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 620
The easiest solution is going to be their cut-a-strut system. You basically cut the top off the stock strut, remove the internals and then use the housing to put an insert in.

Here is a DIY for a chevy cobalt

How to Install Koni Yellow Front Struts - Chevy Cobalt Forum / Cobalt Reviews / Cobalt SS / Cobalt Parts


We would just need to determine the length of insert needed and the inner diameter of our strut housing. Then figure out if Koni makes something in that sizing for another car
 
  #19  
Old 09-01-2012, 10:10 PM
apexanimal's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: MI
Posts: 1,213
yeah they do that for suby's too...

do you have an extra front strut?
 
  #20  
Old 09-02-2012, 02:52 AM
macbuddy's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Central Valley, CA
Posts: 465
Unhappy

Originally Posted by mike410
The easiest solution is going to be their cut-a-strut system. You basically cut the top off the stock strut, remove the internals and then use the housing to put an insert in.

Here is a DIY for a chevy cobalt

How to Install Koni Yellow Front Struts - Chevy Cobalt Forum / Cobalt Reviews / Cobalt SS / Cobalt Parts


We would just need to determine the length of insert needed and the inner diameter of our strut housing. Then figure out if Koni makes something in that sizing for another car

Back in 2007, "mrfroge" took an OEM strut, cut the top off, and determined the I.D. of the strut to be too small to accept any of the inserts that Koni had to offer at the time. Perhaps, things have changed. Hopefully, Koni has since started offering an insert that has an O.D. that will slip into the stock strut housing.
 


Quick Reply: DIY: Koni Yellows for GD3 rear



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:16 AM.