What springs are availible?
#1
What springs are availible?
From what I've seen there are 2 Tanabe sets, H&R Sports, Vogtland, Spoon(?), T1R, and I'm sure I'm missing a few.
Does anyone know if Tein is out for Fit?
I see lots of different stuff though, Tanabe replied (today) that the GF210 won't be availible until September, yet people say they have them on their cars.
Anyway, what is availible that you know of? What drop do they have? I'm looking for mild drop and something that won't beat me to death. I had enough of that with H&R race on my Golf.
Does anyone know if Tein is out for Fit?
I see lots of different stuff though, Tanabe replied (today) that the GF210 won't be availible until September, yet people say they have them on their cars.
Anyway, what is availible that you know of? What drop do they have? I'm looking for mild drop and something that won't beat me to death. I had enough of that with H&R race on my Golf.
#4
I considered the T1R's, they are on my list
Seems like the Jazz stuff should work but I don't want to be the one to find out that they dont.
Anyone happen to know what the factory spring rates are for USDM Fit?
Seems like the Jazz stuff should work but I don't want to be the one to find out that they dont.
Anyone happen to know what the factory spring rates are for USDM Fit?
#10
This is what I have so far.
Here's what I have found so far.
|Brand| | Model| | Spring Rate| | Drop| | Notes|
.............................F/R............ F/R
Honda .....................................0/0
Tanabe .. GF210.. 190/279..... 1.5/0.9 in
Tanabe .. DF210.. 174/274......1.8/1.3 in
Tein ..... S-tech.. 163/336..... 1.8/1.2 in... For Jazz
T1R ..... S-coils... 179/342 .... 1.6/1.4 in
Eibach
H&R ..... Sport..................... 1.6/1.4 in
Spoon.. Progressive..195/291... 1.0/1.0 in
Vogtland.. Progr.(?)..142/154-216.. 1.6/1.0
Skunk2.................. 175/350 ..... 1.5/1.0
A lot are converted from from metric so they may not be exact but should be close. If you have anymore data please let me know and I'll add it to my list.
On a side note, I notice an interesting trend that all rear springs are stiffer than all front springs. In my days of racing VW's there was two schools one similar to this and one the complete opposite. We would use 400-500# front springs and 250-350 rear. That would make for a car that was completely undriveable in the rain but it worked great on the auto-x course, as long as it was dry. With this type of set-up you would use no front sway bar and a real heavy rear bar.
Edit for spring additions. The Vogtland seem pretty soft to me.
|Brand| | Model| | Spring Rate| | Drop| | Notes|
.............................F/R............ F/R
Honda .....................................0/0
Tanabe .. GF210.. 190/279..... 1.5/0.9 in
Tanabe .. DF210.. 174/274......1.8/1.3 in
Tein ..... S-tech.. 163/336..... 1.8/1.2 in... For Jazz
T1R ..... S-coils... 179/342 .... 1.6/1.4 in
Eibach
H&R ..... Sport..................... 1.6/1.4 in
Spoon.. Progressive..195/291... 1.0/1.0 in
Vogtland.. Progr.(?)..142/154-216.. 1.6/1.0
Skunk2.................. 175/350 ..... 1.5/1.0
A lot are converted from from metric so they may not be exact but should be close. If you have anymore data please let me know and I'll add it to my list.
On a side note, I notice an interesting trend that all rear springs are stiffer than all front springs. In my days of racing VW's there was two schools one similar to this and one the complete opposite. We would use 400-500# front springs and 250-350 rear. That would make for a car that was completely undriveable in the rain but it worked great on the auto-x course, as long as it was dry. With this type of set-up you would use no front sway bar and a real heavy rear bar.
Edit for spring additions. The Vogtland seem pretty soft to me.
Last edited by Joe_Schmoe; 08-25-2006 at 07:08 PM.
#11
Great post Kevin! The bottom line with this car is just lowering the center of gravity will help out tremendously work to counter that "tall" feeling. I need to get into auto-x so I can run around some cones.
It looks to me that the T1-R rear rates are a lot firmer than the fronts. I'd love to drive around in a T1-R spring equipped fit just to see.
It looks to me that the T1-R rear rates are a lot firmer than the fronts. I'd love to drive around in a T1-R spring equipped fit just to see.
#12
I did find two different rates for the T1R's, and am waiting to hear back what is correct. The other rate is about 10# softer in the front, which, as far as these are concerned isn't much to worry about.
I just got a reply from Tein and their USDM springs will be released in September or October. I don't know what the difference will be between the Jazz and the Fit springs though.
I just got a reply from Tein and their USDM springs will be released in September or October. I don't know what the difference will be between the Jazz and the Fit springs though.
#13
I'm waiting till there's more out to make my decision and ultimately figuring out what the stock rates are. I love my JIC FLT-A2's on my Sentra, but I'm afraid I can't spend that kind of money on the Fit. Maybe a well matched set of springs that won't destroy the stock struts and still have great suspension travel is what I'm looking for.
#15
I haven't been able to find any info on what the stock spring rates are but if I consider Tanabe to be correct and their numbers actual, we can guestimate the Honda springs. Tanabe says the GF210 spirings are 20%-30% stiffer than stock, so that would make a stock rate be somewhere around 146-158F and 215-232R.
That is conceeding a lot of things though, and the calculations dont work for the claims of the DF210, specially on the rears. Did I mention that I am horrible at math?
That is conceeding a lot of things though, and the calculations dont work for the claims of the DF210, specially on the rears. Did I mention that I am horrible at math?
#16
The best route would be to go with Coil-Overs. You can adjust the ride height and corner weight the different 4 corners of the car. Just think of the possible situations where you could raise or lower the car to "FIT" the circumstance. Auto-Xing, to carryibng a load of people, raising and lowering the Fit is the only way to go. I have lots of experience with Hondas and this is the route I have used with great success. You can use the stock struts/shocks. There are many info sites about the fit that should help any NOB to install or adjust the Fit to the thier own liking.
#18
Are you talking a sleeve type coil-over? I had some on one of my vw's and there was some modifications that needed done to the struts and I'm not sure I want to to get into that. I haven't yet climbed under the fit to check out the suspension yet.
There are a few reasons I am looking at just springs, first is because of cost, second is because I don't know that I will even race the Fit, and if I do get coilovers it will be threaded body and I just haven't seen any for the Fit yet that I felt like dropping a grand on .
There are a few reasons I am looking at just springs, first is because of cost, second is because I don't know that I will even race the Fit, and if I do get coilovers it will be threaded body and I just haven't seen any for the Fit yet that I felt like dropping a grand on .
#19
Originally Posted by guywdog
The best route would be to go with Coil-Overs. You can adjust the ride height and corner weight the different 4 corners of the car. Just think of the possible situations where you could raise or lower the car to "FIT" the circumstance. Auto-Xing, to carryibng a load of people, raising and lowering the Fit is the only way to go. I have lots of experience with Hondas and this is the route I have used with great success. You can use the stock struts/shocks. There are many info sites about the fit that should help any NOB to install or adjust the Fit to the thier own liking.