OK guys, putting all the bickering aside, should i put these on or not? i was having trouble with drifting even after alignment. will these help or would it be a waste of my time?

 

Up to you, there seems to be a lot of nonsense going on about this;

Read through this thread, like I was saying before the guy ran without and experience vibrations;

https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/fit-...ght=hubcentric

And then.....

Must have been Jesus

I still can't understand the argument these is that they are for alignment, when you bolt up to the proper torque spec evenly the bolt holes will give you your alignment.

I did my final post about it before, but all the evidence is in favor of using them; In theory and in practical use. Apparently there is no negatives to using them (other than people saying they will melt which is frankly bull unless you are doing 500mph) so what do you have to lose.

 

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Ford, GM, Honda, Toyota, ad naseum.
Your problem is you confuse hub cover rings with axle centerlines
Lugbolts must be concentric to axle centerlines to .002" so the wheels will rotate smoothly, reliably and without runout because they are the deciding force to establishing wheel location finally, noyt the centering rings. Hub rings either are on a hub cover like the drum brake or cut into plate posts carriers for disc brake hardware. Both have holes for the lugbolts to pass thru and anyone who thinks those holes are very accurate has never removed and reinstalled one. Those cover hiub rings are +/- .020" Totally not capable of centering a wheel to the axis of rotation.
Centering rings have no purpose other than locating a wheel before they are tightened to the hub. They must have clearance or deformation sufficient for the lugbolts/nuts to fasten the wheels concentric to rotation.
Your problem is you confuse hub covers with axle centerlines. Axles, stubs or full length, or hubs, and lugbolt locations are machined accurately as a single units to make sure the bolt centers are concentric to the axis of rotation. The hub rings are merely cosmetic. And merely to help locate a wheel hub so the lugbolts are easier to insert in the wheel.
When those lugbolts/nuts are tightened no plastic or aluminum centering ring will prevent the wheel from nesting on the lugbolt locations. None

 

They are a big help to installing wheels and are so light and near the centerline of the wheel they will not have any practical effect on your performance. You might put a lite coat of hitemp grease or oil on the inner surfaces so they don't stick to the hub ring. Leave no excess where it could get to brake surfaces.

 

Hey something we agree on

 

put them on. they gave them to you with the wheels for a reason. better safe than sorry.

 

You dont need them. Only one set of my wheels Ive ran center rings, and the only reason why I ran them is because the wheels were redrilled.

Im currently running them too.

 

post your alignment measurements first. could be able to tell if it's
from the botched alignment or your wheels vibrating.

if you dont feel vibration through the steering at expressway speeds
chances are your wheels are not vibrating in the front.

also check your tire pressure too that they are even at all 4 corners
to start off.

 

Go back and have it realigned.
A slight pull to the right is not a problem. Its actually recommended in case you fall asleep at the wheel.

Left hand pulls are bad alignments. Or bad tires.
If you can cross rotate the tires (none directional tires) try that first.

 

lmao its funny how you looking at the pictures that i posted...

 

the front wheels aligned perfectly. the rear wheels were like, .55 and .61 degrees to the right from true center.

 

You cant align the rear wheels. What kind of drift are you getting?

 

i had firestone align it 3 times and they were never able to get it to track straight. they blamed it on the rear toe, said it wasn't adjustable.

 

it would just pull to the right on the freeway. it must have been the rear wheels pulling because the front wheels were true.

 

wat was the thrust angle?

 

i don't even know what that means.

 

look on your 'actual' data around the middle/bottom of your sheet.
there should be a measurement for thrust angle.

 

Ok I know I said I would stay away but you guys keep luring me back in here;

My sketches are not inaccurate as they are not to scale, nor reflect anything other than exaggerated forces... not actually a cocked wheel. Hubcentric rings will NOT cause you to have a cocked wheel, that is hogwash and even you know that.

I will correct myself on something that you guys actually overlooked before, the theory on not breaking the studs off is actually dependent on loading the studs with tension to create a enough friction across the face of the hub so that shear loading does not occur directly on the studs. My apologies in suggesting the studs bolstered the shear forces directly.

I still maintain that rings will help by preventing vibration as I described before when forces are applied eccentrically on the wheel.

Kenchan, the forces MUST be transfered to the car when you corner. I don't understand what you are suggesting by the tires will absorb all the forces because you need the forces to change the direction of your 2500lb car.

My point has been the same all along, when you corner you will have some tension forces being applied to the lugs. I am not suggesting your wheels are going to fly off as a result, however I am suggesting there is some deflection that will occur (based on your rim materials, design and construction) which will exert forces on the stud that could be mitigated by using a hubcentric ring which basically would absorb the forces in the form of compression. If this wasn't true then why would Honda make hubcentric wheels instead of just using a cheaper universal fit.

The more important function being that it does center your wheels regardless of how inaccurate your bolt holes may be... this is especially true on multi-fit wheels. Equally as important it will dampen any vibration caused by an imbalance.

My final word is/was not irresponsible; like I keep saying regardless of the theory behind it in practical use we have members on this forum with this car that experience vibration as a result of not using these rings. The problem "Magically" goes away when they install them. A simple search online will reveal this same exact story on pretty much any forum that discusses after market wheels.

Weak argument Pffft, that statement is ironic.

What I do agree with is readers should be doing their own research. We have a lot of faceless internet opinions (myself included). Not exactly a substitute for getting the facts yourself.

 

the paperwork is down in the car, i'll get it tomorrow and let you know then.

 

the car may always pull right due to road crown, also if you are a big fat guy or carry alot of weight int the car make sure you or the stuff is in the car during the alignment.if not disregard the sentence.

ps
stop the frickin arguing, if you want to bitch slap each other go play soccer with all the other whiners.