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Old 08-18-2008, 12:03 AM
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Anyone know what the hell these are?

These came with my wheels, but I have no clue what they are. Maybe wheel spacers to increase the offset? If it's that why aren't there holes for the lugs? Or does it just go around the lugs? Or am I on the completely wrong track? HELP PLEASE!

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Old 08-18-2008, 12:06 AM
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Those are hubcentric rings... you need them!

If the inside diameter of your new wheels are larger they will provide a ring to make up the space between the wheel and the hub. You just slip them onto your hub before you put the new wheel on.

If you don't install them the wheels will still go on and bolt up. But at high speeds you will get a nasty vibration.
 
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Old 08-18-2008, 12:06 AM
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those are calld hubcentric rings. The aftermarket rims have a bigger hub that is universal for all cars,so this basically fills the gap between the rim center ring and the hub's center ring. Just take ur rim off, put it on the middle of the hub of the rotor, and put the wheel back on. It's there to center the rim. It's also there to help keep vibrations down. They do work and i recommend them. I <3 my hubcentrics, they are anodized purple. =]
 
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Old 08-18-2008, 12:08 AM
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^^^ lol, I beat you to it Kevin!
 
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Old 08-18-2008, 12:09 AM
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subscribed cause i wanna know..

i'm loving what you're looking at on the laptop though
 
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hot DAMN
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Old 08-18-2008, 12:10 AM
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hot DAMN
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Pfft, that was nothing... You should see my driving lol
 
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Old 08-18-2008, 12:21 AM
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thanks, guys. that explains a lot. here's a quick question: i had the wheels installed without them and i couldn't get the rear wheels to align; i was drifting to the right, but when i out the stock wheels back on the drifting went away. would these solve that?
 
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Old 08-18-2008, 12:44 AM
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Pfft, that was nothing... You should see my driving lol
i'm down for a ride

if that is anyway possible haha
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Old 08-18-2008, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Burbio
thanks, guys. that explains a lot. here's a quick question: i had the wheels installed without them and i couldn't get the rear wheels to align; i was drifting to the right, but when i out the stock wheels back on the drifting went away. would these solve that?
It'll cause a hell of a lot more problems than that...

On a usual car (i.e. a stock car) wheels are hub centric, which means the lugs merely hold the wheel in place while the wheel sits flush on a solid hub...

Right now your car is lug centric, which means those wheel studs that are VERY easy to break are keeping that wheel in place and taking ANY abuse the wheel hits while driving...

When I was young I didn't install these because I didn't know they existed (I was 16, many moons ago), and I hit a pot hole at 80MPH. I have NO IDEA how my wheel didn't come off, because I snapped my drivers side wheel studs in half, and I was driving around on 1 lug...

Whomever installed your wheels should be MORE than happy to put them on for you, I can't beleive they didn't do it in the first place, but quite frankly I'd just get out your jack and install them ASAP, it's very dangerous without them.

Take 2 minutes to look through this:

Planet Soarer: Wheels falling off and broken studs
 
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Old 08-18-2008, 07:27 AM
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contrary to the belief's, our cars use wheels that are lugcentric.

you dont' necessarily need those rings other than for making the
aligment easier while mounting the wheels onto your car. do you really
think a little piece of plastic is going to hold the wheel perfectly center
under high load and heat? my current wheelset on my FitS are not
using those rings. personally i hate plastic rings cause they tend to
break after a while due to the hub's rust.

higher end wheels come with aluminum rings and some of them can
help support the wheels during high g cornering, but again, it is
really there to aid in the alignment of the wheel during mounting.

if you want to see wat a hub centric wheel and lug looks like take
a look at some older toyota's... i know the 2000 solara is using
hubcentric wheels and lugs.

check out more info at the tirerack's tech page.
 
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Old 08-18-2008, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by kenchan
contrary to the belief's, our cars use wheels that are lugcentric.

you dont' necessarily need those rings other than for making the
aligment easier while mounting the wheels onto your car. do you really
think a little piece of plastic is going to hold the wheel perfectly center
under high load and heat? my current wheelset on my FitS are not
using those rings. personally i hate plastic rings cause they tend to
break after a while due to the hub's rust.

higher end wheels come with aluminum rings and some of them can
help support the wheels during high g cornering, but again, it is
really there to aid in the alignment of the wheel during mounting.

if you want to see wat a hub centric wheel and lug looks like take
a look at some older toyota's... i know the 2000 solara is using
hubcentric wheels and lugs.

check out more info at the tirerack's tech page.
Contrary to beliefs, NO AUTOMOBILE MANUFACTURER ON EARTH builds wheels "DESIGNED" to be lug centric, IT DOESN'T WORK! As far as owner liability goes, you are begging for a law suit with people driving around on wheel studs. You can step on a wheel stud and snap it off, what do you think happens when you fit a bump? The load created from a pot hole at speed far surpasses any load you could even try to demonstrate in your garage.

Hey, when you snap your wheel studs after hitting a pot hole and the wheel comes off, don't complain on here. BASIC automobile physics and comprehension should EASILY explain why this is a horrendous idea.

And it's pretty obvious you don't understand what they do, because plastic rings would be fine even on high cornering vehicles. Having even the cheapest bracing in between the hub on the wheel and the the hub on the car will allow for the wheel to rotate on the hub, not on the studs. Forget "higher end wheels" and "higher end cars", take a look at the cars that put down actual G forces, your S2000's and especially your Lotus Elises... there isn't a single one of those guys who doesn't use hub centric rings, NOT ONE. My guess is you have just be SEVERELY misinformed somewhere along the way.
 

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Old 08-18-2008, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by WiggumS2K
Contrary to beliefs, NO AUTOMOBILE MANUFACTURER ON EARTH builds wheels "DESIGNED" to be lug centric, IT DOESN'T WORK! As far as owner liability goes, you are begging for a law suit with people driving around on wheel studs. You can step on a wheel stud and snap it off, what do you think happens when you fit a bump? The load created from a pot hole at speed far surpasses any load you could even try to demonstrate in your garage.

Hey, when you snap your wheel studs after hitting a pot hole and the wheel comes off, don't complain on here. BASIC automobile physics and comprehension should EASILY explain why this is a horrendous idea.

And it's pretty obvious you don't understand what they do, because plastic rings would be fine even on high cornering vehicles. Having even the cheapest bracing in between the hub on the wheel and the the hub on the car will allow for the wheel to rotate on the hub, not on the studs. Forget "higher end wheels" and "higher end cars", take a look at the cars that put down actual G forces, your S2000's and especially your Lotus Elises... there isn't a single one of those guys who doesn't use hub centric rings, NOT ONE. My guess is you have just be SEVERELY misinformed somewhere along the way.
LOL im going to keep this post for entertainment.
 
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Old 08-18-2008, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by kenchan
LOL im going to keep this post for entertainment.
That's fine, I'll keep it for entertainment for when someone asks why they broke wheel studs on an AutoX track when you told them it was ok...

Then again, what do you expect from someone who buys over weight knock-offs for wheels...
 
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Old 08-18-2008, 10:16 AM
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Intresting... hahaha never heard of them, but then again, I haven't heard of a lot of things...


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Old 08-18-2008, 11:07 AM
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Intresting... hahaha never heard of them, but then again, I haven't heard of a lot of things...


(keep your mouth shut kenchan )
hahaha you sure sound like a biotch.
 
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Old 08-18-2008, 11:36 AM
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hahaha you sure sound like a biotch.

hahahahaa
 
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Old 08-18-2008, 11:44 AM
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Well you guys can believe whatever you read on the internet;

But there are several threads even on this forum where Fit's are having serious vibration issues at high speeds as a result of not having these installed. After they are installed the problems go away; your choice
 
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Old 08-18-2008, 11:50 AM
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Here, have a read through this thread. The problem was missing hubcentric rings;

https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/fit-...ght=hubcentric
 
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Old 08-18-2008, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugarphreak
Well you guys can believe whatever you read on the internet;

But there are several threads even on this forum where Fit's are having serious vibration issues at high speeds as a result of not having these installed. After they are installed the problems go away; your choice

as mentioned on my post above, it can help aid in the alignment
of the wheels, but these wheels are not hubcentric by design.
they are lugcentric but use the hubcentric rings/design to aid
alignment.

if you look at a true hubcentric wheel you will notice that it
does not use rings (sits on hub without needing those adapter
rings) and use flat non-tapered lugs. those require tighter tolerance
to manufacture and it is not as cost effective as lugcentric wheels.

thus, you see more lugcentric wheels from the factory these days.

again as posted above, if you put high g on the wheels the rings
could potentially help in supporting the wheels on the hub, but as
posted above, those plastic rings aren't strong and can melt from
heat(brakes) or crack when you try removing them.

your car is put together by similar fasteners (nuts and bolts).
your studs are not that weak unless you abuse them by over
torquing while putting the wheels on, or they fracture due to
defect.

your plastic hub centric rings are not going to support the weight
of the car. your plastic rings are not made to the tight tolerance
of a true hubcentric wheel.

your vibrations are coming from mis-alignment of the lugs, how you
improperly torqued down the lugs, or unbalanced wheels/tires, or
your wheels/tires are not true (round). your plastic rings are not
your real solution. they only aid the solution.
 


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