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Old 08-24-2008, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by trancedsailor
I just downshift and slowly let off the clutch til it matches itself. If I'm in 5th and I have to brake, I shift to 4th at 40, 3rd at 25-30 and then neutral around 10-15mph. I don't double-clutch.
That's not a good thing. It'll burn the clutch and/or synchros.

It's physics. something will wear out if the rev doesn't match when everything is engaged together (engine-transmission/gear-tires).
 
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Old 08-24-2008, 01:36 PM
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I would figure that revving while clutching in would **** the car up more than downshifting when it's natural for the transmission to smoothly engage without need of throttle blipping ???

Dunno if I made it clear, but when I downshift, the rpms don't jump to higher than 3k. It provides enough engine brake force for me to not have to push my footbrake too hard. Doubt I'm damaging anything by doing this.
 

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Old 08-24-2008, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Gordio
I think they're the same. When you step in the clutch, the engine disengages from the transmission. When you blip, the engine speeds up. But since the engine isn't connected to the tranny, when you blip doesn't matter.

In addition, When the clutch pedal is in, what you do with the shift knob and the gas pedal are independent of each other. the engine spins in air, and the transmission/shifter are in their own separate world too. That's why either method won't have any difference.

If you really want to be gentle to the synchros, double clutch:
1) clutch in
2) shift to neutral
3) clutch pedal OUT
4) blip
5) clutch pedal in
6) shift in next gear
7) clutch pedal out

This one, all must be done in that specific sequence. Remember neutral is a "gear," and not the same as pressing in the clutch. The methods described by the thread starter rev match engine speed with tire speed. This one rev matches engine speed, tire speed, AND transmission speed.
This is the ONLY way to go. it is a process to get used to, but it really is the only non-detrimental approach. did this for the 3 years i raced my WRX and had no ill effects to the trans.

learn from the best--dog-boxed wrx
 

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Old 08-24-2008, 01:45 PM
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That's too hard for me to do in one smooth motion. I'll end up dropping the tranny.
 
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Old 08-24-2008, 09:58 PM
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All I know is heel and toe...
 
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Old 08-24-2008, 11:21 PM
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Well, this will open a real can of worms: according to Click and Clack on Car Talk, the only time you should down shift - engine brake - is in the mountains. In normal traffic put the clutch in, apply the brake, and when at a complete stop move into 1st gear. I was never taught this way but they swear it is the best for the engine and clutch.
 
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Old 08-24-2008, 11:25 PM
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I clutch in, blip and downshift at the same time then clutch out. Way simplier
 
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Old 08-25-2008, 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by elifit07
All I know is heel and toe...
i completely agree...find heeltoe alot more usefull, but i guess rev matching is just a step towards heeltoeing
 
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Old 08-25-2008, 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by fRed
Well, this will open a real can of worms: according to Click and Clack on Car Talk, the only time you should down shift - engine brake - is in the mountains. In normal traffic put the clutch in, apply the brake, and when at a complete stop move into 1st gear. I was never taught this way but they swear it is the best for the engine and clutch.
actually i think it's better if you clutch in, shift to N, then clutch out.
then brake or whatever till you stop, THEN put it in first.
 
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Old 08-25-2008, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by trancedsailor
I just downshift and slowly let off the clutch til it matches itself.
My fit is my first manual and I've only logged about 4k miles on it so I'm sure I don't know exactly what I'm doing. Having said that, don't take this as criticism, but isn't what you described riding the clutch and very bad? I'm paranoid about abusing my clutch as everyone says you will inevitably do to your first car.


Personally, I've been clutch in, blip, shift and clutch out fast before the RPMs drop. No one taught me the right thing to do, I think i read it somewhere or on some online tutorial lol.
 
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Old 08-25-2008, 06:06 PM
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I'd just keep it in gear until just above idle (1K RPM or so) then clutch in and put it in neutral. Coasting down in neutral wastes gas and is illegal in many areas.
 
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