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Infortunately they haven't added the 2005 sales figures. Look at how many RSX sell on average per year (excluding the first, since it wasn't a full model year.) They averaged 25450 units per year. Almost 1/2 of the number of MDX and TLs they move.

Now look at the Integra sales figures. Between 1986 and 2001, they moved an average of 49661 units per year! And in 2000, the last full model year, they still sold almost 26000 units.

Each time they changed the Integra body style, the sales figures jumped through the roof, except for the RSX. The rest of the market started offering competitive cars, and Honda lost the strong grip it once had on this segment.

 

So what's killing the RSX in that segment? It definitely isn't the Celica, and Nissan really doesn't sell anything comprable.

Could it be that people were just buying fewer small cars during that time period and more SUV's and other stuff?

I wonder how that segment did as a whole in comparison to the mid 90s.

 

Don't bash the RSX. For a FWD car, its a great driver's car. And IMO, it was never a sales flop. To claim that, you must know how many were allocated and how many out of that allocation sold. If the average allocation was 25K per year and the average sold was 25K per year, then I would say its a success. However, its age is showing and with the Civic moving upmarket, it will have a tough time in its model year.

 

OK so take $14,500 + destination cahrge, tax, title...etc = $16K OTD

Nissan GOD

 

Chrysler introduced the SRT-4.
Mazda introduced the Mazdaspeed lineup.
Hyundai introduced the Tiburon V6.
Ford introduced the Focus SVT.
Nissan introduced the Sentra SE-R SpecV.

Some are 4 doors, some are 3 door hatchbacks, but they still ended up biting into the RSX market IMO. The pricing of the RSX-S was getting out of reach for most of the buyers, and the RSX was no longer the car to beat/out sell, were as the Integra was for so many years. The handling of the RSX-S wasn't close to the ITR, and Honda/Acura should have brought the RSX in type R trim to North America to boost sales and the performance image.

Sure the RSX still sells relatively well. But remember it replaced both the Prelude and Integra, and IMO Acura/Honda were expecting better sales numbers than what they are getting. The TSX is out selling the RSX almost 2 to 1.

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I always thought of the S2k as being the Prelude's replacement, as both were technically Honda's flagship product in the US.

Damn TSX....I'm still peeved we didn't get that as our Accord. The TSX is overpriced for what it is, IMO.

 

You can’t replace a 2+2 FWD coupe with a 2 seater convertible RWD roadster and consider it a replacement. A replacement vehicle usually sells for around the same amount of money.

That would mean the Odyssey could have been a replacement for the Accord.

 

What was a loaded Prelude SH stickering for in 2001? Like $27k right? That's close to S2k territory.

 

If you consider a 6-7k difference in price, a 4 seater coupe and 2 seater convertible similar, I'm shocked.

Honda sold something like 10000-16000 Preludes per year between 1997-2001, compared to the 25000-38000 Integras in the same year. So the RSX should have sold over 35000 units per year to compensate.

 

One other thing to consider in the RSX/Integra debate- the Integra had both 2 door and 4 door variations. I wonder if the lower sales of the RSX may be due to the fact that the four door RSX may have sold more than the 2 door?

 

We only had the Integra 4dr until 1996 in Canada.

 

Just called a dealer in Ohio and got a quote of 14,500 base, 15,500 sport. I really thought they'd be a couple thousand less.

 

Hi Guys,
I've been working back from the Jazz price in British pounds and get 15,343 for the base and 19,201 for the sport model. 15,5oo sounds pretty good to me.

 

No its not.

 

I just really hope NOBODY on this site pays anything above invoice. You need to realize EVERY single car a dealer sells has kickbacks from the factory..even if a dealer sells you a car for "invoice" they are still making a nice little profit from Honda. Here is the best advice when buying a car....

Walk in ---> Find the sales manager---> offer invoice with NO dealer fees or anything else----> that's it!

If that particular dealer won't do it, there is always one that will..Take advantage of edmunds walk in with a printed read out of invoice..The dealers will always act like it's some huge insult, but I flip it and make them look stupid for charging so much..Kryptonite for any car dealer is "invoice" and "holdback"

 

Amen brother!

Finally, a voice of reason in the wilderness.

To arm yourself with even more Kryptonite, order a New Car Price Report from Consumer Reports for a measly $12.95. You'll get a ton of information including the following:

- MSRP
- Dealer Invoice Prce
- Consumer Reports (CR) Bottom Line Price
(The place to start negotiating. Takes into account the dealer incentives and holdbacks that may be in effect.)
- Regional Incentives
- Standard Equipment
- Options (and their cost)
- Equipment Packages
- Consumer Reports Equipment Recommendations
- Consumer Reports Safety Data
- Consumer Reports Recommended Alternate Models
- Consumer Reports Guide to Buying
There is advice to help you:
- use the Consumer Reports Bottom Line Price,
- shop online for a new car,
- take charge at the dealership,
- understand the kind of deal to expect,
- avoid dealer extras.

 

Well its all supply and demand. Wait a little bit and you will get a good price. It's as simple as that.

 

I read that the amount of RSXs to be sold was reduced as planned by Acura, to increase the "luxury" image of the brand. Nowadays, the most common Acuras sold are TLs and MDXs, which have a much higher starting price and are more luxury oriented.

 

Halo, I think a lot of people here probably realize the dealer would make money with the car sold at invoice. That's besides the point.

Its simple Economics 101/supply and demand. If a dealer gets, say, 5 Fits on the first batch, and they know they will have 5 people that will pay MSRP, then you wont be getting one at invoice from that dealer. Its that simple. Yeah, they may not have 5 preorders, but for the first couple of weeks you can almost bet they'll try to sell them at MSRP. Said another way, why would I (a car dealer) make only ~$500 off of your sale, if I can make $2000 off the guy standing behind you wanting the same car?

I'm just taking a guess that they'll be so popular at first, that it will take at least 2 months before they'll even consider much below MSRP. Granted, i'm guessing, but I just think a lot of people are going to scarf up these little cars.

I'm into pc's and high end video cards, and i see the same thing happen sometime on really popular video cards at initial release. If they cant make enough to meet the demand, the cards go for MSRP at a minimum and some vendors even jack them up beyond that (called markup, in the car world).

Azanon

 

$14,000USD base? Can't be, the Civic here is $16,890 base. $14,000 USD for the Fit is $16,800 Canadain (@ $1usd = $1.20cdn) Fit the same price as the Civic, I hope not. I would rather have the Fit due to the Fact it's the only Honda Hatch in Canada. Just based on size the Fit should sell less then the Civic. I think the Fit Base in Canada will be about $15,000CDN ($12,500USD). Damn, I just want to see this damn car live and in person.