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Would a Fit be decent for say... racing?

Old Jun 9, 2006 | 06:15 PM
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I need to interject here. I know you have a WRX and you probably think it is the be all and end all of cars. Well I had one for just over a year and was impressed with its overall speed. However, the it handeled like a pig. It was so sloppy and had an incredible amount of body roll. I also used to autocross a modified Prelude. The Fit is more fun to drive than the WRX and I would take it autocrossing in a heartbeat. I actually want to take it autocrossing. I never cared to autocross the WRX. Just didnt seem fun.
I had a WRX for about a year too, and i wanted to say just about the same thing, but I feared the flame of those who've never drive WRXs that think they are the king of all cars. The Fit really is more fun to drive stock to stock around corners and stuff.

Tre
 
Old Jun 9, 2006 | 06:25 PM
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Fit for racing? hhhmmmm



Supercharged Spec D




turbo Fit



Spoon Racing Fit



hmmm, i'm gonna have to go with 'YES' on this one
 
Old Jun 9, 2006 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Miss. Punky
So in order for a fit to be useful at all you have to be modest. Nothing to make it heavier than it already is for example... no body kits?
Not useful, but for a Fit to be competitive in real races. The body of a race car should be as light as possible, the only parts that warrants the extra weight are the parts that add to power. Center of gravity also comes into concern. So sometimes some weight balancing will need to be done.

If you want to mod the Fit into a race car, a base Fit should fit the bill.

Lets be realistic, for 16k, the Fit is no race car in its stock form. Not to mention it'll be hard to find a race car for just 16k...if it even exists.
 
Old Jun 9, 2006 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ngoldberg
I need to interject here. I know you have a WRX and you probably think it is the be all and end all of cars. Well I had one for just over a year and was impressed with its overall speed. However, the it handeled like a pig. It was so sloppy and had an incredible amount of body roll. I also used to autocross a modified Prelude. The Fit is more fun to drive than the WRX and I would take it autocrossing in a heartbeat. I actually want to take it autocrossing. I never cared to autocross the WRX. Just didnt seem fun.
i have a sti, i wouldnt say it's be all and end all of cars. i would say it's a decent performance car, hardly the best, but decent enough to hold it's own on the street or on a track.

i know my role in the pecking order of automotives. i know im close to invincible from a dig to about 80mph. i know my 107 trap can barely keep up with ls1 or cobras off a roll. i also know the honda fit and race car is the perfect example of oxymoron.

as far as the wrx against prelude comment, each to his own, some can stand the bodyroll of the wrx, some cant stand the heavy understeer of the prelude.

but on a track where time determines the winner. wrx is simply faster then the prelude.
 
Old Jun 9, 2006 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MirrorWorks
I had a WRX for about a year too, and i wanted to say just about the same thing, but I feared the flame of those who've never drive WRXs that think they are the king of all cars. The Fit really is more fun to drive stock to stock around corners and stuff.

Tre
let not mix fun to drive, to actually being fast. if the car is slow, yet fun to drive, all the performance you seem to have is nothing but an illusion.

a sti will run a track like nurburgring in the mid/high 8 minute range with a good driver.

wrx will run about 45 seconds slower.

want to take a guess at what the fit will run? 11 minutes? 12 minutes?
 
Old Jun 10, 2006 | 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Miss. Punky
So in order for a fit to be useful at all you have to be modest. Nothing to make it heavier than it already is for example... no body kits?
Oh yeah, no body kits. Unless somebody's kit had extensive wind tunnel testing. Body kits are mostly for looks, eh? Then again, the Sport Fit already has a body kit!
What kind of racing would you be interested in?
(let's get this thread back on the track!)
 

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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 08:50 AM
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this is one of the only cars i test drove recently (other than a Mini S) that puts a grin on my face.. it's not fast, but it's fun to drive

-joe
 
Old Jun 10, 2006 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by cheffyjay
Oh yeah, no body kits. Unless somebody's kit had extensive wind tunnel testing. Body kits are mostly for looks, eh? Then again, the Sport Fit already has a body kit!
What kind of racing would you be interested in?
(let's get this thread back on the track!)
Drag hehe...

I know body kits are for looks but I'm a show-off. However if a Sport Fit already has a body kit, well need I say more?
 
Old Jun 10, 2006 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by aywwsd
let not mix fun to drive, to actually being fast. if the car is slow, yet fun to drive, all the performance you seem to have is nothing but an illusion.

a sti will run a track like nurburgring in the mid/high 8 minute range with a good driver.

wrx will run about 45 seconds slower.

want to take a guess at what the fit will run? 11 minutes? 12 minutes?
The Fit is definitly more fun to drive than the WRX. I have almost as much fun as the Prelude. In my Prelude at the local Porsche autox event another 92 Prelude and myslef beat all but two Porsches around the track (we also beat a ferrari). Straight line speed means absolutly when it comes to autocrossing. I would actually rather buy a Fit and put $12k worth of work into it before I buy another WRX. I dont hate the Subaru but I was certainly not in love with it either.
Just my $.02
 
Old Jun 11, 2006 | 01:20 AM
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i think your guys are comparing cars in different classes and uses here.

how did it come to WRX/STi to Fit??

they are in different drives, displacements and purposes.

i had a WRX for 3 years and Evo for about 2 years. After i drove the Fit, i still don't want to put them all together and compare.

WRX/STi and Evo only get you about 20 mpg, how about the Fit?

I just love the Fit's feel on the daily basis, no complaints at all.

I think it could be a nice track car, why not?
 
Old Jun 11, 2006 | 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ngoldberg
The Fit is definitly more fun to drive than the WRX. I have almost as much fun as the Prelude. In my Prelude at the local Porsche autox event another 92 Prelude and myslef beat all but two Porsches around the track (we also beat a ferrari). Straight line speed means absolutly when it comes to autocrossing. I would actually rather buy a Fit and put $12k worth of work into it before I buy another WRX. I dont hate the Subaru but I was certainly not in love with it either.
Just my $.02
i dont hate the fit either but i certainly wouldnt consider one for myself.

there is nothing wrong with that, different people want different cars. i want a good performing car with a reasonable price, i got the sti, im happy with it. i can never drive a wrong wheel drive, n/a i4 and still care about performance, frankly, fwd/na/i4 just have no performance.

you like whatever you like, reason why you got a fit and had a prelude. i dont like the same thing as you do, but like or dont like is purely objective.

performance is not objective. wrx is a better performing car then either the fit or the prelude. simple fact.

as for you beating porsches and ferrari with a prelude at local auto x. its no different then you driving past one driven by some old lady on the freeway and claiming you beat them.

a competent driver who knows what he is doing in a base porsche boxter or 360 spider will beat a prelude driven by a pro.
 
Old Jun 11, 2006 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by aywwsd
i dont hate the fit either but i certainly wouldnt consider one for myself.

there is nothing wrong with that, different people want different cars. i want a good performing car with a reasonable price, i got the sti, im happy with it. i can never drive a wrong wheel drive, n/a i4 and still care about performance, frankly, fwd/na/i4 just have no performance.

you like whatever you like, reason why you got a fit and had a prelude. i dont like the same thing as you do, but like or dont like is purely objective.

performance is not objective. wrx is a better performing car then either the fit or the prelude. simple fact.

as for you beating porsches and ferrari with a prelude at local auto x. its no different then you driving past one driven by some old lady on the freeway and claiming you beat them.

a competent driver who knows what he is doing in a base porsche boxter or 360 spider will beat a prelude driven by a pro.
I beg to differ.

at the local bmw club events, the instructor drove his family's hydundai sonata on the track and he was one of the fastest on the track.

at tha autocross, it's handling that matters, not straight line speed. the boxster (blah) or a 360 spider has no time to get into the powerband, hence the advantage is gone

-joe
 
Old Jun 11, 2006 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by aywwsd
i dont hate the fit either but i certainly wouldnt consider one for myself.

there is nothing wrong with that, different people want different cars. i want a good performing car with a reasonable price, i got the sti, im happy with it. i can never drive a wrong wheel drive, n/a i4 and still care about performance, frankly, fwd/na/i4 just have no performance.

you like whatever you like, reason why you got a fit and had a prelude. i dont like the same thing as you do, but like or dont like is purely objective.

performance is not objective. wrx is a better performing car then either the fit or the prelude. simple fact.

as for you beating porsches and ferrari with a prelude at local auto x. its no different then you driving past one driven by some old lady on the freeway and claiming you beat them.

a competent driver who knows what he is doing in a base porsche boxter or 360 spider will beat a prelude driven by a pro.
I think what we're trying to discuss is the competition POTENTIAL for the Fit. Seems to me that somebody thought it was a good idea to hotrod a run of the mill grocery getter called an Imprezza once...

Lets talk FIT!
 
Old Jun 11, 2006 | 04:59 PM
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I beg to differ.

at the local bmw club events, the instructor drove his family's hydundai sonata on the track and he was one of the fastest on the track.

at tha autocross, it's handling that matters, not straight line speed. the boxster (blah) or a 360 spider has no time to get into the powerband, hence the advantage is gone

-joe
lets not get into the quality of drivers at your local bmw club event. if a lowly hyundai beats out all the bimmers, frankly, you have some horrible drivers there.

at the autocross, boxster and 360 indeed dont get to their powerband, but so what? at 5000rpm, 360 spiders have more then 200whp, fit have 109 at the crank, at 5000rpm, fit have maybe 65whp.
 
Old Jun 11, 2006 | 05:02 PM
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I think what we're trying to discuss is the competition POTENTIAL for the Fit. Seems to me that somebody thought it was a good idea to hotrod a run of the mill grocery getter called an Imprezza once...

Lets talk FIT!
when the honda fit type r comes out with awd, 6spd, turbo, lsd, brembos, etc, we'll talk about it's potential.
 
Old Jun 11, 2006 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by aywwsd
lets not get into the quality of drivers at your local bmw club event. if a lowly hyundai beats out all the bimmers, frankly, you have some horrible drivers there.

at the autocross, boxster and 360 indeed dont get to their powerband, but so what? at 5000rpm, 360 spiders have more then 200whp, fit have 109 at the crank, at 5000rpm, fit have maybe 65whp.
you obviously don't know the quality of drivers in the BMW club of canada..

-joe
 
Old Jun 11, 2006 | 06:18 PM
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you obviously don't know the quality of drivers in the BMW club of canada..

-joe
they are losing to hyundai sonata. what quality?
 
Old Jun 11, 2006 | 06:20 PM
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they are losing to hyundai sonata. what quality?
as i mentioned already, he is the instructor

you can diss all you want, sometimes it's not the just the car, it's the driver also

buying an expensive tennis racket is not going mean you can be in the French Open.. but a French Open player can use a cheap racket and still kick your silly azz

-joe
 
Old Jun 11, 2006 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sillypuddy
as i mentioned already, he is the instructor

you can diss all you want, sometimes it's not the just the car, it's the driver also

buying an expensive tennis racket is not going mean you can be in the French Open.. but a French Open player can use a cheap racket and still kick your silly azz

-joe
that is one of the stupidest metaphor i've seen in a long time.
 
Old Jun 11, 2006 | 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by aywwsd
that is one of the stupidest metaphor i've seen in a long time.
Actually it is very true. I was autocrossing for about 3 years. My friend had been doing it for 18 years. Same variation for the Porsche and Ferrari drivers. Horsepower really doesnt matter in autocrossing, handeling does. Some of the fastest cars on course are slower 0-60 than a lot of the cars they compete againgst on the road. You are right, to each their own. But I prefer a car that handles to one that can go really fast in a straight line or rally crossing.
 

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