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Oil Change Interval- first and subsequent?

Old Jan 27, 2011 | 11:54 AM
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Oil Change Interval- first and subsequent?

I don't plan to get my first oil change until the car tells me to, because I've read about the break-in oil.

But I was wondering, since it just dropped from 90% oil life to 80% at around 1400 miles-- does the computer take into account that it's my first oil change? In other words, would similar driving after the first oil change have the same interval? Or does the computer suggest a somewhat earlier oil change the first time, figuring there's more wear then?
 
Old Jan 27, 2011 | 12:38 PM
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You are safe following the MMS. This was my experience: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/2nd-...il-change.html

The OBC [on board computer] takes various factors into consideration when doing the calculation. It all boils down to what I've come call driving style. Number of starts [cold and warm], engine speed, operating temp, engine load; here's something to look at MMS. First oil change cycle is not considered.

This has been a strange new road for me to follow, but I'm now a firm believer and trust Honda engineering.

My research has told me that Honda does not use any specific break-in oil w/ the Fit. What is seen as high moly numbers in analysis reports actually comes from the way Honda treats the piston skirt. What I've been told by my service guy is to go two change cycles with the Honda dino, then switch to syn if I so chose to. This gives the engine plenty of time to brake-in and seat all those moving bits.

My FIT is at 18+K miles and 30% oil life on the second cycle. To me it sounds crazy but I'm liking the economy. This coming oil change I go to Mobile1.

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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 01:28 PM
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I had my first oil change today on my FIT SPORT - car is 10 months old and has 7,800 on it. all was well at the local Honda shop. then I stopped in to my former "guys" who fixed my 15 year old Accord for years, and kind of "gloated" that today was my first oil change. That mechanic said, "I don't care what they say, I'd never wait for 7,800 miles to get an oil change." He is wrong, right?
PS I love my FIT.
 
Old Jan 27, 2011 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Brain Champagne
I don't plan to get my first oil change until the car tells me to, because I've read about the break-in oil.
If you've read about break-in oil and you are not changing your oil real soon, you've misunderstood the intent of the article.

I’ve changed my oil at 1,000, 3,000, 6,000, 9,000, 12,000, 15,000 and every 5,000 there after…I’ve got 155,000 on my ’07 Sport right now and I’ve been told that I drive it like I just stole it. Every other weekend, I send about an hour at wide open throttle, at 6,500-RPM crossing the Appellation Mountains…not easy on the engine at all!

Only the first oil was Honda oil for the first 1,000-miles, then Castrol GTX there after. Any oil with the ASME seal “For internal combustion engines” is good. I just chose Castrol.
 
Old Jan 27, 2011 | 01:52 PM
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Honda has a long reputation of building quality 'state of the art' engines.
Today's oils are no where close to those of only 10yrs ago.
The technology that monitors your engine is one of the most advanced.

I would trust the reputation of Honda before I would any one who starts a sentence with, "I don't care what they say..."
 
Old Jan 27, 2011 | 02:35 PM
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I agree, Krimson Cardnal. I'm getting great gas mileage, too - I've gotten over 45 mpg on the highway and even in town around 40.
 
Old Jan 27, 2011 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Krimson_Cardnal
You are safe following the MMS. This was my experience: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/2nd-...il-change.html

The OBC [on board computer] takes various factors into consideration when doing the calculation. It all boils down to what I've come call driving style. Number of starts [cold and warm], engine speed, operating temp, engine load; here's something to look at MMS. First oil change cycle is not considered.

This has been a strange new road for me to follow, but I'm now a firm believer and trust Honda engineering.

My research has told me that Honda does not use any specific break-in oil w/ the Fit. What is seen as high moly numbers in analysis reports actually comes from the way Honda treats the piston skirt. What I've been told by my service guy is to go two change cycles with the Honda dino, then switch to syn if I so chose to. This gives the engine plenty of time to brake-in and seat all those moving bits.

My FIT is at 18+K miles and 30% oil life on the second cycle. To me it sounds crazy but I'm liking the economy. This coming oil change I go to Mobile1.

K_C_
For a daily driven Fit, this^^ is about the best advice you are going to get.

I would bet that if you changed your oil based on Fuel consumed rather than miles it would put you about on par with the MMC. So save yourself the time and effort, just use the MMC

Unless you go more than a year between changes, then as stated in the manual, you should change it regardless because of all the nastiness that accumulates over time from the combustion process and other junk that makes it's way into the crank case.

Not too mention all those metallic particles that we discussed in your magnetic drain plug thread!
 
Old Jan 27, 2011 | 03:21 PM
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I picked-up my 2010 Fit A/T new Aug 22, 2010 and to-date, I am at 30% oil life remains but my mileage used is almost 6000 kilometers (canada), am I normal?

The reason I asked is I saw Krimson_Cardnal has his oil at 30% remaining after 18+K miles? His FIT seems to be doing better than mine.
 
Old Jan 27, 2011 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Ric01
I picked-up my 2010 Fit A/T new Aug 22, 2010 and to-date, I am at 30% oil life remains but my mileage used is almost 6000 kilometers (canada), am I normal?

The reason I asked is I saw Krimson_Cardnal has his oil at 30% remaining after 18+K miles? His FIT seems to be doing better than mine.
Yes you are normal.

Climate, operating style and type of oil will determine the frequency of oil changes! As well as different internal environments between seemingly identical engines.

Theory v. Practice...
 

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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 03:58 PM
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Thanks DiamondStarMonsters. I am not abnormal then.
 
Old Jan 27, 2011 | 04:17 PM
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i drive my GD pretty hard and so my intervals are much shorter. i think the thing logs rpms. just change the oil when the car tells you.

im using some regular grade castro (dino oil) right now and no issue. ive stopped using synthetic on my dd's as it's just a waste of money imho.
 
Old Jan 27, 2011 | 04:19 PM
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If anything I'm abnormal lol

I've been thinking about all this and, honestly, I'm not dragging my FIT around. It's traveled the entire east coast at keep-up highway speeds and it has seen just south of 100mph for a bit along the way - only for 5min though.

All I can say, and I'm sure there's a few econo guys to back me, is that it has an awful lot to do with throttle position. I like shifting at 4k, but I don't put my foot to the floor to get there. I simply wait a second for the engine to gain the revs at it's own pace.

In the days of old you could kick in a four barrel, today you need to boost it. I bought the FIT for it's economy and I drive it that way most all the time. What I do love it the high rev engine and manual transmission. No problem holding a gear to get the torque/speed you need when you need it.

It sure isn't the 275hp my DeVille had... but it is a handful of fun.
 
Old Jan 27, 2011 | 04:45 PM
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I did my first oil change at 1,000 miles. Then I've been changing the oil every 3,000. I am averaging about 25,000/year.
 
Old Jan 28, 2011 | 12:15 PM
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I replaced my oil almost exactly 1 year ago at ~9K miles, and now am at ~18K miles. My MM is @ 30%, but I'm replacing the oil this weekend (since it's been a year).

All I can say is that I trust the Honda Engineers and the MM more than just about anybody regarding Honda engines. It's in their best interest to have their cars running for a long time and everybody rave about their reliability. It's why Honda has grown over the years and is the reason they will continue to grow.

TL;DR: Trust your MM and Honda engineers.
 
Old Jan 28, 2011 | 12:34 PM
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Not questioning the computer.

When you changed it at 9000 was it also at 30%? And has your driving been about the same over the two years?
 
Old Jan 28, 2011 | 03:10 PM
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To answer your question, no, I don't think the MM does anything special for the first oil change. I'm seeing my MM decrease at about the same rate, about 1,000 miles / 10%. My driving has been the same, I've just been doing more of it this year (so I'll be able to change at 15% instead of having to do it at 30% because I hit a year).

You can see a couple oil analysis results from the first oil change in this post: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/2nd-...tml#post903440
 
Old Jun 7, 2011 | 01:13 PM
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just want to ask, when you guys change your oil, are you going back to the dealer, or are you guys going to some random garage, also, are you guys going synthetic or no?
 
Old Jun 7, 2011 | 01:44 PM
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@ Brain, sorry to respond after like 5 months.

Anyway, my driving is and has always been ~80% highway and the rest city. I mostly take longer trips in my Fit and put about 10K to 11K miles on it per year.

I have also noticed it declining by about 10% per 1,000 miles. When I changed the oil at 9K miles, it was 20% I think (it could have been 30%, but I think it was 20%).

I changed my oil once at a quick lub/ car wash joint and the 2nd time at the garage that does PA inspections. Both times it was regular, not synthetic oil.

If I end up in a house (as opposed to an apartment) I'll probably change my own oil and may switch to synthetic. So far, I think regular is fine.
 
Old Jun 7, 2011 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Tong213
just want to ask, when you guys change your oil, are you going back to the dealer, or are you guys going to some random garage, also, are you guys going synthetic or no?
I get mine done at the dealership. Gotta love free oil changes
 
Old Jun 7, 2011 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Tong213
just want to ask, when you guys change your oil, are you going back to the dealer, or are you guys going to some random garage, also, are you guys going synthetic or no?
i do my own oil changes but dealer can do it no problem... just bunch of $ for really a no-brainer easy job. just a little clumsy cause you need to buy your own material and then have to go back to recycle the old oil... kind of a time consuming process.

i use to use synthetic in both my Fit's but i could not tell a difference when i went back to brand-name dino oil that was on sale when i went to the store. so i dont foresee myself ever using synthetic again in my dd's unless it came with it from the factory.
 

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