We have a lot of steep hills around here.

(or inside a C-130)

 

[quote=Perrenoud Fit;993154]I changed out rims and tires and removed 70 pounds of rolling mass. This is my 2nd tank of gas and have seen a Huge improvement I've only used 1/2 a tank and am usually 150 miles, nothing to brag about for sure. This tank is at 210 at the 1/2 way point. I'll have MPG after fill up. But lite wheels and rims improve MPG in a big way! not to mention getup and GO!!
Also saw improvment w/ Mobile1 0/20 full synthetic motor oil and Mobile1 syn. ATF and hitest Exxon gas.
Big Mike

5/14/11 Filled up and m. div. into g. = 32.75 mpg around town! the best I've ever gotten.
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Synthetic oil and ATF will yield modest mileage improvement, but the big reason to use them is less wear on your powertrain and lower cost due to less frequent changes. My Fit manual calls for 5W-20 oil, you are using 0W-20, does your manual call for it? If not, be careful. Honda engineers know what they are doing when they set those specs according to the flow design of the oil pump and the size of the oil passages in the engine.

Before I'd regularly spend extra $ on hi-test fuel I'd do a few tankfuls of comparison testing. And don't bet the ranch on your results, there are too many variables in calculating tank to tank comparisons that are out of your control. Temperature, humidity, trip length, driving aggressiveness, road conditions, wind, traffic, and on and on. The cars computer is adjusting the spark advance and fuel stoichiometry to prevent knocking.

The main reason to use hi-test fuel would be if your engine was knocking - is it? You shouldn't be getting knocking with 87 octane regular if the knock sensor is working properly to feed proper data to the ECU. There is no more energy in a gallon of hi-test than there is in a gallon of regular, hate to burst bubbles here.

The one thing about energy in a gallon that should be mentioned is gas with added ethanol. Here in New York state, most stations have gas with 10% added ethanol. Many midwest states (with powerful farm lobbies) have E85 (with 15% EtOH). Both these blends contain less energy per gallon than plain 'ol gasoline, and they will deliver LESS gas mileage as a result of the simple chemistry of less caloric energy resulting from burning the same amounts of fuel.

 

Just TRADED it today for a 2011 Sport Manual.
NOW I can say I am please with the fuel gauge, it doesn't DROP
as FAST as before!!!!

dealer took it for $8100, i bought it for $10,000 last october it has a salvage
title w/ 8k miles only. when i traded it has 20k miles.

dealer sold the sport manual for $19,603 OTD.
IS THIS REASONABLE?

 

[quote=KwazyKwaig;993389] Thanks for the explanation I would have never thought of all those things??? It's just trial and error for me, this has worked the best for my Fit with the situations I face. Unwind and enjoy the ride.
Big Mike

 

Never come close to the MAX PSI. that is the maximum that the tire itself can handle and not what is best for the FIT. Stick to the manual and maybe add a few PSI like KC stated. It becomes dangerous once you add too much pressure (more than what is recommended for the CAR not the tire) as you don't have grip.

there's another thread on what people paid. Mine was $16,500 for a sport 5MT but that was also pre-C4C and back when these vehicles were less in demand.

Either way, if you are happy with the price (which you obviously are because you bought it,) then that's all that matters. Everyone's situation is different.


Your best bet for economy is to actually track your mileage. The fit's tank is small so fill-ups shouldn't be too expensive at ANY point. Do you have a SmartPhone? (iphone, android, WP7/WM6.5?) If so, Pick up an application to track fuel economy. Go by it and you'll see what your REAL economy is. The FIT is rated for 32 Highway so anything above that is good. My lifetime is just under 38mpg so high mileage is definitely possible with this vehicle.

~SB

 

How the hell can you say it doesn't drop as fast? You just bought the car today. How many miles have you driven it?

I am getting the feeling your are somewhat slow. As others have stated watching the gas gauge and irregardless of how fast it drops has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with gas mileage. It only indicates how much you have left approximately. The other gauge - ie Mile Minder tells you what you MPG is.

Buying another similar car and expecting much greater gas milage has to be about the stupidest thing ever posted on here. I sure hope you gas guage does not drop too fast. To prevent this do not drive.

Oh and you paid way too much for the new car. It will drop in value faster than your gas gauge.

Repeat the GAS GAUGE DOES NOT INDICATE YOUR MILEAGE

 

Congrats on your purchase, you'll be happier with the performance and fun factor of the Sport 5MT vs your old base A/T.

After you buy already then stop looking and asking about prices. Doesn't really matter at that point, just enjoy your new car. Every deal is different, every area has different tax and registration costs. Also your deal included a trade-in which makes a big difference. IMO you received a very reasonable price on your trade in so that definitely affects any possible discount on the new car.

I smile when I read your info Location:. Can never leave the PI in your heart? Miss na miss "Alabang Girls" ako rin. haha

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Thank you sir...
just wanted to get rid of that car.





I have been driving for almost 30 years. I don't need this MINDER to tell
me if my car is giving me good or bad gas mileage. The '09 Base Automatic
was MY car and when I say IT WAS GIVING ME BAD GAS MILEAGE
YOU BELIEVE IT !!!!!
You seem to "KNOW IT ALL". you must be an "OMNISCIENT" human being.

 

Couple things you can do to increase your mpg
- adjust your valve
- change air filter
- change spark plugs (if you haven't already yet after 80k+ miles)
- check PCV, maybe clogged, change it if it is
- tires pressure no more than 36psi, people are dumb filling it all the way to max (for those who disagree, go do some research online, it kills your tires, which cost u $$)

 

It isn't omniscience to be able to divide the number on the tripometer by the gallons put into the tank. It's just how you actually know things. Sure, if someone was stealing your fuel, then the instant and average mpg would look high, but if you don't actually calculate what your real mpg is, its hard to say if you are burning through too much fuel.

 

[QUOTE=KwazyKwaig;993389]I agree that the fit wont knock on 87 but thats because it goes into open loop at loads over 70 percent and runs a 11.1 fuel air ratio. Ive dyno'ed my Fit and with premium the fuel air was 14.2 a 25 percent improvement. According to a fuel tech on this site there is at least 2 percent more BTUs and some premiums are ethanol free or have less than the 10 percent used in regular to raise the octane. When a engine detects knock timing is pulled causing you to give more pressure down on the accelerator. When running premium you need to drive the car different so the ecu knows there is a different fuel. Even then it wont advance the timing fully because its not sure why its seeing a no knock condition after pulling timing out. Understanding Adaptive ECUs (again, more pathetic oversimplification) and using fuel additives | Facebook


E85 is not 15 percent EtOH its 70-75 percent EtOH up to 85 percent. E15 is 15 percent ethanol.

 

OP you never told us what your mileage was. You just kept rattling on about the gas gauge dropping too fast. When most tanks are full to the top the gauge will read Full for quite sometime but when it gets down to say half or less it moves down more quickly to give a more exact reading of how much gas you have. I suspect you did not fillup to top on mopst occasions so of course the guage goes down faster. Anyhow you have never indicated you ever calculated your mileage so I assuming you never really knew what kind of mileage you were getting. It was likely about what you will get withthe new car because they are the same. ALso you have not told us how you determined the new car is better?

Geez some people just drive you nuts.

 

I think someone is stealing his/her gas. I would highly recommend a locking fuel cap. Also what color? Alabaster and white get better MPG. This can be proven by any physics professor.

JIm 0311

 

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You're correct Silver Bullet, I misspoke. E85 is supposed to be 85% anhydrous ethanol (EtOH for short) and 15% gasoline by weight. The gas I buy here in NY is sometimes called gasahol, or E10. E85 is more common in midwest farm states for reasons given before. It may be obvious, but I am no fan of ethanol fuel additives, particularly when a small number of US citizens are getting fat subsidies from the rest of us taxpayers because they have managed to convince lawmakers to pay them to grow corn or other fermentable grain to make fuel instead of food, thereby raising food prices. Plus, with ethanol as mentioned before, you get worse fuel mileage. And for certain older cars, EtOH is harmful to various fuel system materials in fuel pumps, carbs, etc.

As for the other part of the discussion, it should be easy for anyone to prove if they are getting better performance (within certain test variation limits) by doing an acceleration test (poor man's dyno) on regular, and then again with premium. You could do a run from 20 to 70mph on an expressway (obviously not a busy one- be safe & sane), with a friend manning a stopwatch riding next to you. I suggest 20-70 for a couple reasons, first easier on the clutch if stickshift, second, reduces wear and tear on drivetrain - better than standing start, easier on tires, etc. Repeat going both directions to eliminate wind as best as possible. When I've done this to establish improvements due to changing to dual muffler exhaust, etc. I've usually done at least three acceleration runs in each direction and averaged the result.

Make sure the weight in the car is about the same each time using regular and premium. Easiest to do this in the same day if your tank is nearly empty, ie. around the time the low fuel light comes on. If the difference is as significant as you seem to think, the stopwatch should tell the tale. After doing the test on 87 octane, add 5.0 gallons of 93 octane. That should bring the octane up well above 87, to 92 or better.

If you really wanted to make the test as fair as possible, knowing how many gallons of premium you were going to add for the second part of the test, you could run the 87 octane regular with an extra weight in the car equal to the weight of the 5 gallons of premium you will be adding later. Gas weighs a hair under 6 pounds per gallon, so have a 30 pound weight in the car that you can remove once you've put in 5 gal. of premium.

BTW, when you say 11:1 or 14.2:1 fuel-air ratio, I think you really mean 11:1 or 14.2:1 air-fuel ratio, since the first number is the weight of air, and the second number is weight of fuel.

I hope someone on the board is ambitious enough to do this test and report back.

 

Anyone check how accurate the Fit Gas mileage gage is? Since the Fit is my wife's, and I rarely drive it, I have not been able to fill it up and check it by math. When I got in last time it said 38.4, I checked that trip odo, so that was for 2,000+ miles! I like to zero the trip odo and then see how good I can do. The Fit is an awesome car.

 

my 09 sport auto averaged 32-34 city and 36-38 hwy! loved it! had a 2011 now for a month, got 2200 miles now, avg 25-26 city, 27-29hwy. wtf??? not happy at all, went back to get my 09 back , but sold! efffffffffffffffffff

 

After 30 years of driving, this guy can’t figure MPG with a calculator, doesn’t know to FILL the tank every time to get consistent, accurate results, doesn’t understand how the instant MPG readout works, thinks buying a different Fit is going to improve his MPG, and thinks other people are stupid.

Who says America hasn’t been dumbed down?