Paint Peeling from Front Bumper
#221
Originally Posted by Blinky
But a double w00t w00t to Waterloo Honda, who quickly agreed it was a problem, booked an appointment and will try to get me a loaner for the few days I will be without a car. What gets me is that I did not even buy my car from them, but yet they were extremly helpful and wanting my business.
The front-line service guy at Waterloo was very good. He actually knew quite a bit about cars and mechanics, which is far better than I can say for Dow Honda.
When I brought the car back to Dow Honda and told them the timing belt had slipped and Waterloo Honda had moved it back to the correct timing, they first told me Waterloo Honda was lying, and that something else was wrong with my car, that had magically fixed itself. They said there was no way Waterloo Honda could have fixed the timing belt issue in 30 mins, since it takes 4 hours to do it (to undo four bolts, slip the timing belt off the cam pully, rotate the cam pully one turn, and put it back on). Every time I called them, I talked to the service manager, and every time I got a completely different story from him. He'd directly contradict himself. Once they even claimed Waterloo Honda had put the valve cover on backwards (!!!! How did they get the spark plug wires back in?), and damaged the gasket, and it needed to be replaced.
Eventually they saidthey'd have to charge me if I wanted them to do any work on the car. Naturally I said "No, I'll come get the car and fix it myself". I went in on the weekend to get my car, and the guy at the desk told me there were charges on the car and I couldn't take it. I said "There shouldn't be any charges. Is the service manager in?" "No." "What will it take to get my car? I need to fix this this weekend, before I have to go to work on Monday." He said "If you take the car, I'll call the cops and report it stolen," and then outright refused to talk to me further. Nothing like threatening your customers to ensure their loyalty.
On Monday, when the service manager was in, I went in to pick up the car only to find that all this work they told me "we'll have to charge you for if you want us to do this" had, in fact, already been done. They were trying to get me to authorize work they had already completed without my consent (and, after talking to the mechanic, I found out he re-tightened the timing belt tensioner too). This was where these mysterious "charges" had come from.
But Waterloo Honda gets a big thumbs up. I wish I could find a dealer as good here in Ottawa.
#222
Originally Posted by Packy
I think I'll just go out and add washers myself before the issue occurs (1200 miles on mine, no peeling -yet-). If you can get them off, could you post the size/dimentions for the washers they added?? THANKS!!
#223
Originally Posted by garett
I am so glad that somone has finally decided to try this out, since I asked about it a week and a half ago. I just figured everyone thought I was stupid.
I put in a single 3/16" steel flat washer inbetween the spot I described in my pic before, and it's just enough to leave a teeny gap between both sections to prevent rubbing. It still allows it to be stiff though, so it won't wobble.
Also, it isn't visible unless you're a the perfect angle to see between the pieces, and even then you can barely see it. I'll try to take pics tomorrow. I easily added the washers for the back, but the front may be harder since the plastic the bumper attaches to wraps around both sides of the bumper hole, so we'll see if there is a way to space that one out or not.
#224
installed washers for front bumper
TIP from iismileyll, use plastic washers to prevent rusting, etc.
I've now installed the 3/16" washers on the front bumper as well. It was a bit harder, since the plastic that holds the top and bottomr piece together is wrapped around both of them. This made the space tighter, and more difficult to get the washer in.
All the pics were taken after pushing in the washer.
First, I removed the black plastic locking pin. It's above the bumper screw, and you can see the hole it came from in the top of the first pic. Just use a flathead screw driver to pop it out.
Then I pulled the rubber back, to give me room to work with. I unscrewed the bumper, and then was able to insert the washer. I started inserting it by pulling the bumper down with my hand and sliding the washer in part way, then pusing it the rest of the way with needle-nose. Slide it in from the wheel well, not from the outside of the panel.. you might scratch the paint that way.
Hope this helps prevent the issue for some folks!! We'll see how it works for me
rubber jacked pulled back
washer installed
side-view of bumper - you can barely see the washer
normal view of bumper - can't see the washer
I've now installed the 3/16" washers on the front bumper as well. It was a bit harder, since the plastic that holds the top and bottomr piece together is wrapped around both of them. This made the space tighter, and more difficult to get the washer in.
All the pics were taken after pushing in the washer.
First, I removed the black plastic locking pin. It's above the bumper screw, and you can see the hole it came from in the top of the first pic. Just use a flathead screw driver to pop it out.
Then I pulled the rubber back, to give me room to work with. I unscrewed the bumper, and then was able to insert the washer. I started inserting it by pulling the bumper down with my hand and sliding the washer in part way, then pusing it the rest of the way with needle-nose. Slide it in from the wheel well, not from the outside of the panel.. you might scratch the paint that way.
Hope this helps prevent the issue for some folks!! We'll see how it works for me
rubber jacked pulled back
washer installed
side-view of bumper - you can barely see the washer
normal view of bumper - can't see the washer
Last edited by Packy; 08-24-2006 at 05:15 PM.
#227
Originally Posted by iismileyll
sounds like a great fix. Why not try to find some nylon or plasticy type washer? I'm going to try to find some later and install them. (won't the metal one rust?)
The ones I used are galvanized, so I'll see how they do. If the eventally start to break down I'll pop some plastic washers in there.
#229
OH DANG....I just saw this.
Ran outside as fast as I could, grabbing a flashlight on my was out the door, I prayed I would be spared the horror....BUT LO I WAS NOT SPARED. I'm gonna give honda a call. passenger side rear...bugger. What should I say on the phone?
Ran outside as fast as I could, grabbing a flashlight on my was out the door, I prayed I would be spared the horror....BUT LO I WAS NOT SPARED. I'm gonna give honda a call. passenger side rear...bugger. What should I say on the phone?
#231
Originally Posted by roenyc
where are you having the problem? just tell them the truth. tell them what you see and that you want it fixed. they will send you to the dealer. but its good to have that record with honda anyway.
I'm going to give Sterling McCall a buzz this afternoon.
#232
on my passenger side front bumper, the gap rub off about 1/2" of paint, but only 1/8" thick.. so it's just at the gap area
i will bring it back to my dealer to have it looked at
-joe
i will bring it back to my dealer to have it looked at
-joe
#234
Originally Posted by Quartz
He said "If you take the car, I'll call the cops and report it stolen," and then outright refused to talk to me further. Nothing like threatening your customers to ensure their loyalty.
bob
#235
just got my car back from honda today. they didnt do the entire bumper but tuched up the scratces in the corners, i cant really complain yet because they did my roof and hood and blended it into the fenders. in the rain it looks great. better then when i bought it. but i really need to see it in the sun.
now the catch. honda is protecting themselves here - they did this not under warrenty but as "a one time good will gesture" that is what it says on my reciept. so i dont think they are admiting their paint has a problem.
if your paint gets any worse or scratches for no apparent reason example: i put my radio antena (magnet) on the hood and then moved it and there were scratches where ever i moved it to no matter how careful i was. this didnt happen on my other cars i had. so i new this wasnt right. placing a paper bag on the hood left a scratch. shouldnt happen.
now the catch. honda is protecting themselves here - they did this not under warrenty but as "a one time good will gesture" that is what it says on my reciept. so i dont think they are admiting their paint has a problem.
if your paint gets any worse or scratches for no apparent reason example: i put my radio antena (magnet) on the hood and then moved it and there were scratches where ever i moved it to no matter how careful i was. this didnt happen on my other cars i had. so i new this wasnt right. placing a paper bag on the hood left a scratch. shouldnt happen.
#236
Originally Posted by roenyc
just got my car back from honda today. they didnt do the entire bumper but tuched up the scratces in the corners, i cant really complain yet because they did my roof and hood and blended it into the fenders. in the rain it looks great. better then when i bought it. but i really need to see it in the sun.
now the catch. honda is protecting themselves here - they did this not under warrenty but as "a one time good will gesture" that is what it says on my reciept. so i dont think they are admiting their paint has a problem.
if your paint gets any worse or scratches for no apparent reason example: i put my radio antena (magnet) on the hood and then moved it and there were scratches where ever i moved it to no matter how careful i was. this didnt happen on my other cars i had. so i new this wasnt right. placing a paper bag on the hood left a scratch. shouldnt happen.
now the catch. honda is protecting themselves here - they did this not under warrenty but as "a one time good will gesture" that is what it says on my reciept. so i dont think they are admiting their paint has a problem.
if your paint gets any worse or scratches for no apparent reason example: i put my radio antena (magnet) on the hood and then moved it and there were scratches where ever i moved it to no matter how careful i was. this didnt happen on my other cars i had. so i new this wasnt right. placing a paper bag on the hood left a scratch. shouldnt happen.
We'll see. If the panel wasn't rubbing on the paint it would really be a problem but..it is.
#237
Originally Posted by GoFits
First time I washed the car I realized how easily the Fit paint scratches.
We'll see. If the panel wasn't rubbing on the paint it would really be a problem but..it is.
We'll see. If the panel wasn't rubbing on the paint it would really be a problem but..it is.
#239
Same problem here
Ding, i just checked my VBP fit out and it has the same problem. but mine is not that worse, should i go to dealer to discuss with them?
Also, do i have to go back to the dealer where i bought the car or can i bring it to any dealer for the problems? It sucks becoz i bought it at a dealership where its 50 miles away from me.
Please help.
Also, do i have to go back to the dealer where i bought the car or can i bring it to any dealer for the problems? It sucks becoz i bought it at a dealership where its 50 miles away from me.
Please help.
#240
Originally Posted by kelvinyu
Ding, i just checked my VBP fit out and it has the same problem. but mine is not that worse, should i go to dealer to discuss with them?
Also, do i have to go back to the dealer where i bought the car or can i bring it to any dealer for the problems? It sucks becoz i bought it at a dealership where its 50 miles away from me.
Please help.
Also, do i have to go back to the dealer where i bought the car or can i bring it to any dealer for the problems? It sucks becoz i bought it at a dealership where its 50 miles away from me.
Please help.