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It says its being sold in California, NY, florida, etc.... SO its in the US
However - I would think this is doomed to fail unless the technology is picked up quickly in another form.
If someone had 120-150k to spend on a car, gas prices would be the farthest thing from their mind!
They need to get the technology more affordable quickly enough to sustain the momentum and gain critical mass - at least down to the 30k range...
However - I would think this is doomed to fail unless the technology is picked up quickly in another form.
If someone had 120-150k to spend on a car, gas prices would be the farthest thing from their mind!
They need to get the technology more affordable quickly enough to sustain the momentum and gain critical mass - at least down to the 30k range...
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From: Vancouver, Canada
Originally Posted by trowpa
It says its being sold in California, NY, florida, etc.... SO its in the US
However - I would think this is doomed to fail unless the technology is picked up quickly in another form.
If someone had 120-150k to spend on a car, gas prices would be the farthest thing from their mind!
They need to get the technology more affordable quickly enough to sustain the momentum and gain critical mass - at least down to the 30k range...
However - I would think this is doomed to fail unless the technology is picked up quickly in another form.
If someone had 120-150k to spend on a car, gas prices would be the farthest thing from their mind!
They need to get the technology more affordable quickly enough to sustain the momentum and gain critical mass - at least down to the 30k range...
The Tesla (if you look at the site), is a sports car, through and through. Its claim to fame is to be able to keep up with the big boys in their exotics. Getting styling cues from Lotus only adds to that image
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ifitfitz... thanks for all the information. Man I have a lot to learn! Aside from my Fit this is my other project...
http://b99andh2o.blogspot.com/
Sometimes it is hard for me to decide which car I should roll in! I love the way my Rabbit smells!
http://b99andh2o.blogspot.com/
Sometimes it is hard for me to decide which car I should roll in! I love the way my Rabbit smells!
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The tesla is just stupid. Why produce an electric muscle car that very few can afford? Just because you can? It would have been much more noble to produce an electric car for the masses.
Fortunately, there is hope. An affordable electric car (as little as $18,700) will be available in 2008 or 2009. It's called the Tango, and it's being produced in three versions. You can read more about it at http://www.commutercars.com/
Fortunately, there is hope. An affordable electric car (as little as $18,700) will be available in 2008 or 2009. It's called the Tango, and it's being produced in three versions. You can read more about it at http://www.commutercars.com/
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Originally Posted by crankshaft
The tesla is just stupid. Why produce an electric muscle car that very few can afford? Just because you can? It would have been much more noble to produce an electric car for the masses.
Fortunately, there is hope. An affordable electric car (as little as $18,700) will be available in 2008 or 2009. It's called the Tango, and it's being produced in three versions. You can read more about it at http://www.commutercars.com/
Fortunately, there is hope. An affordable electric car (as little as $18,700) will be available in 2008 or 2009. It's called the Tango, and it's being produced in three versions. You can read more about it at http://www.commutercars.com/
As I've mentioned - it's suicidal to mass produce cutting edge technology. Computers, Wireless technology, Plasma + LCD, digital cameras - nothing is cheap when it first comes out. Until production costs start to drop, there is little business sense in mass producing EVs
I'll throw those words right back at you, why would Lambo and Porsche bother producing supercars only very few can afford?
The EV is a promising platform due to the superior amount of torque produced compared to a conventional engine.
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Originally Posted by crankshaft
The tesla is just stupid. Why produce an electric muscle car that very few can afford? Just because you can? It would have been much more noble to produce an electric car for the masses.
Fortunately, there is hope. An affordable electric car (as little as $18,700) will be available in 2008 or 2009. It's called the Tango, and it's being produced in three versions. You can read more about it at http://www.commutercars.com/
Fortunately, there is hope. An affordable electric car (as little as $18,700) will be available in 2008 or 2009. It's called the Tango, and it's being produced in three versions. You can read more about it at http://www.commutercars.com/
all new technology is expensive. altho electric cars are not new technology, entering a market that is dominantly gasoline is essentially equivalent. it's smart to make new technology appeal to rich first. after rich people buy tesla's products, tesla has extra money, invest in mass producing small vehicles, then and can produce more affordable ones to the average consumer.
you think anyone's getting blueray or HDDVD? who'l win? the fact is NEITHER will win b/c they're expensive machiens appealing to the normal audience. HDDVD and bluray won't even get that far. both of them are currently available to buy, yet no one talks about it. same with PS3.
tesla's approach (expensive to appeal the rich, then eventually afforadable cars come out to appeal the regular) is the right strategy. blueray/HDDVD (expensive to appeal the regular, and then hopefully retain momentum in the regular crowd as price of the same machine drops) is risker
edit: the above guy knows what i'm talking about.
Last edited by Gordio; Aug 9, 2006 at 10:14 AM.
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EV technology is new?????????????
People have been playing with this technology since the 1830's...problem is that no one made it practical or affordable - so how exactly does a $120,000 car accomplish that?
People have been playing with this technology since the 1830's...problem is that no one made it practical or affordable - so how exactly does a $120,000 car accomplish that?
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The technology required to make a practical electric car is now on the horizon. It's nanotube capacitors. They offer very long life, high energy density and recharge times measured in seconds rather than hours.
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Originally Posted by crimsona
Nobility is a fine goal, but it doesn't make money.
As I've mentioned - it's suicidal to mass produce cutting edge technology. Computers, Wireless technology, Plasma + LCD, digital cameras - nothing is cheap when it first comes out. Until production costs start to drop, there is little business sense in mass producing EVs
I'll throw those words right back at you, why would Lambo and Porsche bother producing supercars only very few can afford?
The EV is a promising platform due to the superior amount of torque produced compared to a conventional engine.
As I've mentioned - it's suicidal to mass produce cutting edge technology. Computers, Wireless technology, Plasma + LCD, digital cameras - nothing is cheap when it first comes out. Until production costs start to drop, there is little business sense in mass producing EVs
I'll throw those words right back at you, why would Lambo and Porsche bother producing supercars only very few can afford?
The EV is a promising platform due to the superior amount of torque produced compared to a conventional engine.
Originally Posted by Gordio
all new technology is expensive. altho electric cars are not new technology, entering a market that is dominantly gasoline is essentially equivalent. it's smart to make new technology appeal to rich first. after rich people buy tesla's products, tesla has extra money, invest in mass producing small vehicles, then and can produce more affordable ones to the average consumer.
you think anyone's getting blueray or HDDVD? who'l win? the fact is NEITHER will win b/c they're expensive machiens appealing to the normal audience. HDDVD and bluray won't even get that far. both of them are currently available to buy, yet no one talks about it. same with PS3.
tesla's approach (expensive to appeal the rich, then eventually afforadable cars come out to appeal the regular) is the right strategy. blueray/HDDVD (expensive to appeal the regular, and then hopefully retain momentum in the regular crowd as price of the same machine drops) is risker
edit: the above guy knows what i'm talking about.
you think anyone's getting blueray or HDDVD? who'l win? the fact is NEITHER will win b/c they're expensive machiens appealing to the normal audience. HDDVD and bluray won't even get that far. both of them are currently available to buy, yet no one talks about it. same with PS3.
tesla's approach (expensive to appeal the rich, then eventually afforadable cars come out to appeal the regular) is the right strategy. blueray/HDDVD (expensive to appeal the regular, and then hopefully retain momentum in the regular crowd as price of the same machine drops) is risker
edit: the above guy knows what i'm talking about.
Like Trowpa said:
Originally Posted by trowpa
EV technology is new?????????????
People have been playing with this technology since the 1830's...problem is that no one made it practical or affordable - so how exactly does a $120,000 car accomplish that?
People have been playing with this technology since the 1830's...problem is that no one made it practical or affordable - so how exactly does a $120,000 car accomplish that?
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Blah, Blah, Blah all of you. Stop talking and start doing. This is the reason why it won't happen. A bunch of sh!t talkers, that's who is running this country already! 
SH!T OR GET OFF THE POT!
If you are already doing it then GOOD!
For those who aren't START!
SH!T OR GET OFF THE POT!If you are already doing it then GOOD!
For those who aren't START!
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There are so many awesome indie electric car companies out there. Some models have a range of 300 miles and a 0-60 in 3.5seconds...they are pretty expensive in SOME cases.
Who Killed the Electric Car? was pretty informative...anyone else read GM's pansy paulty rebuddle on their GM FastBlog?
Who Killed the Electric Car? was pretty informative...anyone else read GM's pansy paulty rebuddle on their GM FastBlog?
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NCFit--checked out your blog. great photos! nice surroundings you have there. I envy you--still waiting (since April 19) for my Fit. Guess I asked for the rarest of the rare colors (LMM) plus MT. Hearing that "the wait is worth it" doesn't help me cope w/my limping 20-yr old Tercel wagon (my first ever new car) whose AC is now gone and whose repertoire of noises is expanding.
From what I understand, the manufacturing process takes 3 gallons of water to produce 1 gallon of ethanol from corn (google "ethanol plant water" and you'll find many articles on this issue). No telling how much water it took to grow the corn in the first place. Switch grass is being promoted as a better agricultural stock for ethanol as it uses less water, does not need to be fertilized or replanted, etc. To promote this energetically one would of course need to fend off the chemical companies that don't want to lose those corn growers who are such good customers.
OK how about this: There sure is a lot of corn already being produced and fed to cattle. This was never a good idea and may be causing some of the health issues in our country (check out "The Omnivore's Dilemma"--great read about the industrialization of our food supply). So maybe we could all learn to eat grass fed beef (it is delicious) and the cow corn could be diverted to ethanol, but there is still that problem of water used in the manufacturing process.
Biodiesel is very cool, and I don't think it has any of the water-use problems ethanol does.
From what I understand, the manufacturing process takes 3 gallons of water to produce 1 gallon of ethanol from corn (google "ethanol plant water" and you'll find many articles on this issue). No telling how much water it took to grow the corn in the first place. Switch grass is being promoted as a better agricultural stock for ethanol as it uses less water, does not need to be fertilized or replanted, etc. To promote this energetically one would of course need to fend off the chemical companies that don't want to lose those corn growers who are such good customers.
OK how about this: There sure is a lot of corn already being produced and fed to cattle. This was never a good idea and may be causing some of the health issues in our country (check out "The Omnivore's Dilemma"--great read about the industrialization of our food supply). So maybe we could all learn to eat grass fed beef (it is delicious) and the cow corn could be diverted to ethanol, but there is still that problem of water used in the manufacturing process.
Biodiesel is very cool, and I don't think it has any of the water-use problems ethanol does.
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