The word is getting out
#1
08-05-2006, 08:48 AM
The word is getting out
Check out this Honda Fit review by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
I wonder how long the waiting time for a Honda Fit will be now in the Pittsburgh area.
I wonder how long the waiting time for a Honda Fit will be now in the Pittsburgh area.
#2
08-05-2006, 11:51 AM
I think it's funny that they specifically mention "as of now, the best that Detroit can do to compete is to take a product that is already on the market elsewhere and bring it into the United States."
Well, duh! ... what do you think Honda did with the Fit?!?
Well, duh! ... what do you think Honda did with the Fit?!?
#4
08-05-2006, 12:49 PM
I think the 'duh' bit comes from Honda also taking a product that is already on the market elsewhere and bringing it into the United States.
None of the subs are custom made for the US like the Acura TL, after all
None of the subs are custom made for the US like the Acura TL, after all
Originally Posted by Gordio
Honda is not part of Detroit. Detroit= Ford, gm, chrysler
#6
08-05-2006, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by crimsona
I think the 'duh' bit comes from Honda also taking a product that is already on the market elsewhere and bringing it into the United States.
None of the subs are custom made for the US like the Acura TL, after all
None of the subs are custom made for the US like the Acura TL, after all
#7
08-06-2006, 12:38 PM
Originally Posted by Gordio
I htought that sentence meant american companies have no small cars to compete w/ the likes of the fit, except for aveo which is not even american. I know aveo sells crazy, so iono why american comapnies can't go small. smal cars always sell, whiel big cars sometimes sell.
#8
08-06-2006, 02:41 PM
I saw "Who Killed the Electric Car?" and highly recommend it to everyone who relies on dependable transportation--this means YOU! Also recommended: "The End of Suburbia." These two films would make a great double feature to gain awareness of just how we got into this mess of dwindling oil and global climate change, with no real solutions available on the market.
"Electric car" illustrates in gut-wrenching detail that while our economy is driven by the purchasing power and choices of consumers (us, the common folk)-- the PR depts of the big business interests (auto manufacturers, oil companies, fed and local govt officials who are just lapdogs of big biz, and all the interrelated industries that depend on cheap oil and the status quo) drive which direction the market goes in terms of product promotion.
The plugin electrics were fabulous vehicles and nearly everyone who had the opportunity to drive one fell in love with it and wanted to keep it. But none of these vehicles were sold. They were leased, and every last one was recalled and destroyed except for one that was disabled and put into a historic car vault, (go see the movie!)
This movie clearly shows that while there were hundreds/thousands of people who wanted these nifty plug-in electric cars (and would have been more if all the ads didn't emulate nuclear winter) , the auto companies made the decision to supersize and push the humvee and other mega SUVs: more profit margin in bigger cars. Working in what appears to be tandem with the car manufacturers and big oil, the feds created humongous tax breaks for anyone who would buy the mega vehicles (tax breaks for hybrids are paltry in comparison). Gosh, do you suppose big oil interests wanted to make sure we kept guzzling their product even while prices go through the roof and we wage expensive (in lives and $) wars in distant lands to secure more raw material?
BTW, it was not just GM who killed their cars. Toyota and yes, Honda also shredded every one of their cute little electric plugins. I'll bet GM wishes it hadn't killed their little electric plugins because if they had gone into production instead we'd all be lining up to get one of those rather than the Fit! And GM would not be dying.
Here’s another problem with the plugins that illustrates how little control we common consumers have over the marketplace. The plugins never had to go to a gas station. If you don't have to purchase PRODUCT to fuel your vehicle--you just plug it into your home electric service to recharge--you have torpedoed a huge industry that is based on the transportation of fuel for automobiles. Can't have that either! This is one reason the hydrogen fuel cell is being pushed rather than the plugin electric. It requires product to be sold to fill the vehicle. Product that can be regulated, taxed etc etc. –something that fits into the present infrastructure of supply/demand and regulation/tax. As you will learn in the movie, fuel cells are LONG way from being feasible at this time, but they are the “new technology of choice” probably because they don’t rock the boat as much as the plugins would.
When you say "Americans like to eat big, drive big and buy big houses" I believe it says more about what the advertising industry (backed by big biz) has done to shape our culture than it says about our intrinsic values. Given cheap oil and no limitations, a vehicle of any size might be just fine. But in a crowded city a small, nimble car is better (and no car is best, given good public transportation).
Hyped up ad campaigns convinced a LOT of people to purchase vehicles with off-road capability and room for up to eleven passengers even though they never leave the pavement and always drive solo. Soon the sales pitch shifted to “well if you’re in an accident you’ll win”—gad, how sick can you get. In this charged atmosphere purchasing a small car could be viewed as a death wish!
I simply cannot squeeze any sympathy out for the gratuitous SUV owners who now wail about the cost to fill their tank.
If car companies wanted to sell small cars they would launch sincere ad campaigns with positive imagery and hype. We didn't want the huge cars until they told us we did. And we sure don’t want them now, with gas prices shooting ever higher. (And we don’t really want huge houses because they are expensive to heat and cool and maintain, we are now learning. And we don’t really want to eat big because it makes us fat and we all want to be thin and beautiful. There is a HUGE disconnect in what we are being told we want and what we truly desire.)
Our profit-driven economy is not sustainable over the long term, nor is our (artificially) supersized appetite for hugeness. I believe when the collapse comes--and it has already begun--we will be forced to rely on our local communities and cooperation with our neighbors as we learn to share what scant resources remain after a century of shameless squandering.
"Electric car" illustrates in gut-wrenching detail that while our economy is driven by the purchasing power and choices of consumers (us, the common folk)-- the PR depts of the big business interests (auto manufacturers, oil companies, fed and local govt officials who are just lapdogs of big biz, and all the interrelated industries that depend on cheap oil and the status quo) drive which direction the market goes in terms of product promotion.
The plugin electrics were fabulous vehicles and nearly everyone who had the opportunity to drive one fell in love with it and wanted to keep it. But none of these vehicles were sold. They were leased, and every last one was recalled and destroyed except for one that was disabled and put into a historic car vault, (go see the movie!)
This movie clearly shows that while there were hundreds/thousands of people who wanted these nifty plug-in electric cars (and would have been more if all the ads didn't emulate nuclear winter) , the auto companies made the decision to supersize and push the humvee and other mega SUVs: more profit margin in bigger cars. Working in what appears to be tandem with the car manufacturers and big oil, the feds created humongous tax breaks for anyone who would buy the mega vehicles (tax breaks for hybrids are paltry in comparison). Gosh, do you suppose big oil interests wanted to make sure we kept guzzling their product even while prices go through the roof and we wage expensive (in lives and $) wars in distant lands to secure more raw material?
BTW, it was not just GM who killed their cars. Toyota and yes, Honda also shredded every one of their cute little electric plugins. I'll bet GM wishes it hadn't killed their little electric plugins because if they had gone into production instead we'd all be lining up to get one of those rather than the Fit! And GM would not be dying.
Here’s another problem with the plugins that illustrates how little control we common consumers have over the marketplace. The plugins never had to go to a gas station. If you don't have to purchase PRODUCT to fuel your vehicle--you just plug it into your home electric service to recharge--you have torpedoed a huge industry that is based on the transportation of fuel for automobiles. Can't have that either! This is one reason the hydrogen fuel cell is being pushed rather than the plugin electric. It requires product to be sold to fill the vehicle. Product that can be regulated, taxed etc etc. –something that fits into the present infrastructure of supply/demand and regulation/tax. As you will learn in the movie, fuel cells are LONG way from being feasible at this time, but they are the “new technology of choice” probably because they don’t rock the boat as much as the plugins would.
When you say "Americans like to eat big, drive big and buy big houses" I believe it says more about what the advertising industry (backed by big biz) has done to shape our culture than it says about our intrinsic values. Given cheap oil and no limitations, a vehicle of any size might be just fine. But in a crowded city a small, nimble car is better (and no car is best, given good public transportation).
Hyped up ad campaigns convinced a LOT of people to purchase vehicles with off-road capability and room for up to eleven passengers even though they never leave the pavement and always drive solo. Soon the sales pitch shifted to “well if you’re in an accident you’ll win”—gad, how sick can you get. In this charged atmosphere purchasing a small car could be viewed as a death wish!
I simply cannot squeeze any sympathy out for the gratuitous SUV owners who now wail about the cost to fill their tank.
If car companies wanted to sell small cars they would launch sincere ad campaigns with positive imagery and hype. We didn't want the huge cars until they told us we did. And we sure don’t want them now, with gas prices shooting ever higher. (And we don’t really want huge houses because they are expensive to heat and cool and maintain, we are now learning. And we don’t really want to eat big because it makes us fat and we all want to be thin and beautiful. There is a HUGE disconnect in what we are being told we want and what we truly desire.)
Our profit-driven economy is not sustainable over the long term, nor is our (artificially) supersized appetite for hugeness. I believe when the collapse comes--and it has already begun--we will be forced to rely on our local communities and cooperation with our neighbors as we learn to share what scant resources remain after a century of shameless squandering.
#10
08-06-2006, 06:16 PM
ifitfitz, great points.
One thing that is instructive is that in the US, particularly, it is usually more expensive to economize on things like gasoline and electricity. The consumer has to assume more up-front expense and wait for the payback. Gas guzzler cars are cheaper (up front cost), and electricity efficient appliances cost more (again, up front), and we have a culture of being impressed with the up-front savings over long term savings. I did a fair amount of car shoipping and I can say with confidence that if I wanted another 20mpg vehicle I could have netted a big fat rebate and near-zero APR financing. Subaru was offering me $2k rebate and low/special financing on a Legacy Outback, for example. On the Fit it was very simple: if you don't buy it someone else will, probably by the close of business. Same with a Prius, or a Civic Hybrid. In the case of hybrids the government has stepped in to offer tax credits, and some employers offering bonuses, tied to hybrid vehicle purchases.
FUNNY: Honda has a lot of buyer incentives on the CR-V, Element, Odessy, and Ridgeline. Those seem to qualify as "gas guzzlers" on a Honda lot. I wonder how happy the auto industry as a whole is that their good friends in the petro industry have hung them out to dry? Exxon makes annual profits that are massive in the scope of modern economic history, and GM has one foot in the grave. hahhahahahahaha! Watch the funny man try to sell the 14mpg truck.
I work in the environmental regulatory industry and I can tell you that there is a perpetual war between the gasoline/automotive alliance and the electric power generation industry. This potential split between auto and petroleum shoud be "fun" to watch, but many people will be devastated. If the auto industry had jumped in with the electric power industry 30 years ago we would be seeing something very different today (aside from more nuke plants).
My only "critique" of your excellent post is that IMO electricity from an outlet is just as much of a commodity as gasoline. It just happens to be somewhat more reliable and the cost has stayed more level. Plus, you can generate your own electricity much more easily than making your own gasoline
I do some market research as part of my job, mainly things like electricity prices and other government incentives. While the US was gutting incentives for residential generation, places like Germany were offering cash per kilowatt to citizens willing to run wind generation. Hence, many wind gen facilities in Germany. Another fun data point, the average per-household electricity consumption in Europe is just over 1/3 of the average American household rate.
It pays to conserve, but here we pay up front and wait for the payback later. Has anyone told the Pope that we are stealing his marketing plan?
(i kid! i kid!)
[edited spelling]
One thing that is instructive is that in the US, particularly, it is usually more expensive to economize on things like gasoline and electricity. The consumer has to assume more up-front expense and wait for the payback. Gas guzzler cars are cheaper (up front cost), and electricity efficient appliances cost more (again, up front), and we have a culture of being impressed with the up-front savings over long term savings. I did a fair amount of car shoipping and I can say with confidence that if I wanted another 20mpg vehicle I could have netted a big fat rebate and near-zero APR financing. Subaru was offering me $2k rebate and low/special financing on a Legacy Outback, for example. On the Fit it was very simple: if you don't buy it someone else will, probably by the close of business. Same with a Prius, or a Civic Hybrid. In the case of hybrids the government has stepped in to offer tax credits, and some employers offering bonuses, tied to hybrid vehicle purchases.
FUNNY: Honda has a lot of buyer incentives on the CR-V, Element, Odessy, and Ridgeline. Those seem to qualify as "gas guzzlers" on a Honda lot. I wonder how happy the auto industry as a whole is that their good friends in the petro industry have hung them out to dry? Exxon makes annual profits that are massive in the scope of modern economic history, and GM has one foot in the grave. hahhahahahahaha! Watch the funny man try to sell the 14mpg truck.
I work in the environmental regulatory industry and I can tell you that there is a perpetual war between the gasoline/automotive alliance and the electric power generation industry. This potential split between auto and petroleum shoud be "fun" to watch, but many people will be devastated. If the auto industry had jumped in with the electric power industry 30 years ago we would be seeing something very different today (aside from more nuke plants).
My only "critique" of your excellent post is that IMO electricity from an outlet is just as much of a commodity as gasoline. It just happens to be somewhat more reliable and the cost has stayed more level. Plus, you can generate your own electricity much more easily than making your own gasoline
I do some market research as part of my job, mainly things like electricity prices and other government incentives. While the US was gutting incentives for residential generation, places like Germany were offering cash per kilowatt to citizens willing to run wind generation. Hence, many wind gen facilities in Germany. Another fun data point, the average per-household electricity consumption in Europe is just over 1/3 of the average American household rate.
It pays to conserve, but here we pay up front and wait for the payback later. Has anyone told the Pope that we are stealing his marketing plan?
(i kid! i kid!)
[edited spelling]
Last edited by da_bom; 08-06-2006 at 11:25 PM.
#11
08-06-2006, 06:32 PM
Movie dates times
ANyone that might be interested you can see the Movie---"Who Killed the Electric Car" at these theaters and during these dates....At least click on the link above and watch the trailor to the movie...STUNNING.....!!!!...GWD
-ALABAMA-
HUNTSVILLE - MADISON SQUARE TWELVE, 8/25/06
-ALASKA-
ANCHORAGE - DIMOND CENTER 9, 8/4/06
-ARKANSAS-
LITTLE ROCK - MARKET STREET CINEMA, 8/18/06
-ARIZONA-
TUCSON - CENTURY ELCON 20, 8/4/06
-CALIFORNIA-
ARCATA - MINOR THEATRE, 8/18/06
BERKELEY - SHATTUCK 8, 7/7/06
BURBANK - BURBANK 16, 7/14/06
CAMARILLO - PASEO CAMARILLO CINEMAS 3, 8/4/06
CHICO - PAGEANT, 8/4/06
CLOVIS - UA MOVIES EIGHT, 8/4/06
COSTA MESA - EDW SO COAST VILLAGE 3, 6/30/06
COVINA - AMC COVINA 30, 7/14/06
DAVIS - DAVIS VARSITY THEATRE, 8/11/06
ENCINO - TOWN CENTER 5, 6/30/06
HEALDSBURG - RAVEN CINEMA 4, 7/21/06
HOLLYWOOD - ARCLIGHT HOLLYWOOD 15, 6/28/06
HUNTINGTON BEACH - CENTURY 20, 7/14/06
IRVINE - UNIVERSITY TOWN CTR 6 CINE, 6/30/06
LAGUNA NIGUEL - RANCHO NIGUEL 8, 7/14/06
LONG BEACH - ART THEATRE, 7/14/06
LOS ANGELES - FAIRFAX THREE, 7/28/06
MILL VALLEY - SEQUOIA TWIN, 7/7/06
MONTEREY - OSIO PLAZA THEATRE, 7/28/06
NEVADA CITY - NEVADA THEATRE, 9/8/06
OAKLAND - PARKWAY 2, 7/21/06
ONTARIO - ONTARIO MILLS 30, 7/14/06
ORANGE - AMC 30 AT THE BLOCK, 7/14/06
ORANGE - CENTURY STADIUM 25, 7/14/06
PALM DESERT - CINEMAS PALME D'OR, 7/14/06
PALM SPRINGS - THE CAMELOT THEATRES, 7/14/06
PALO ALTO - AQUARIUS TWIN, 7/7/06
PASADENA - LAEMMLE'S PLAYHOUSE 7, 6/30/06
PLEASANT HILL - CENTURY FIVE, 7/7/06
REDWOOD CITY - CENTURY 20 DOWNTOWN, 7/28/06
ROLLING HILLS ESTATES - THE AVENUES 13, 7/14/06
SACRAMENTO - TOWER ANGELIKA FILM CTR. 3, 7/28/06
SAN DIEGO - HILLCREST CINEMA FIVE, 7/14/06
SAN FRANCISCO - CLAY, 7/7/06
SAN FRANCISCO - EMPIRE THREE CINEMAS, 7/7/06
SAN JOSE - CAMERA STADIUM 12, 7/7/06
SAN JOSE - CINEARTS AT SANTANA ROW, 7/7/06
SAN JOSE - CENTURY 25 TWIN, 7/21/06
SAN LUIS OBISPO - PALM THEATRE 2, 7/14/06
SANTA BARBARA - PLAZA DE ORO TWIN, 7/21/06
SANTA BARBARA - RIVIERA, 7/14/06
SANTA CRUZ - DEL MAR THEATRE 4, 7/21/06
SANTA CRUZ - NICKELODEON FOUR, 7/28/06
SANTA MONICA - NUWILSHIRE TWIN THEATRE, 6/28/06
SANTA ROSA - RIALTO LAKESIDE CINEMAS, 7/7/06
TEMECULA - MOVIE EXPERIENCE 10, 7/21/06
TORRANCE - ROLLING HILLS 20, 7/14/06
VENTURA - CENTURY DOWNTOWN 10, 7/14/06
-COLORADO-
BOULDER - CROSSROADS 6 CINEMAS, 7/21/06
COLORADO SPRINGS - PEAK THEATRE 2, 9/1/06
DENVER - CHEZ ARTISTE (U HILLS 3), 7/14/06
HIGHLANDS RANCH - AMC HIGHLANDS RANCH 24, 8/4/06
WESTMINSTER - WESTMINSTER PROMENADE 24, 8/4/06
-CONNECTICUT-
BETHEL - BETHEL CINEMA FOUR, 7/14/06
HARTFORD - CINEMA CITY FOUR, 7/14/06
HARTFORD - CINESTUDIO, 9/17/06
NEW HAVEN - CRITERION CINEMAS, 7/21/06
NEW LONDON - GARDE ARTS CENTER, 8/9/06
NORWALK - GARDEN CINEMA, 7/14/06
STAMFORD - AVON THEATRE FILM CENTER, 7/14/06
-DELAWARE-
WILMINGTON - THEATRE N, 8/11/06
-DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA-
WASHINGTON, DC - E-STREET CINEMA, 7/21/06
-FLORIDA-
BOCA RATON - SHADOWOOD SQUARE 16, 7/28/06
BONITA SPRINGS - BONITA SPRINGS 12, 8/11/06
DELRAY BEACH - DELRAY 18 CINEMA, 8/18/06
FT MYERS - BELL TOWER 20, 8/11/06
GAINESVILLE - GAINESVILLE 14, 8/18/06
JACKSONVILLE - AMC REGENCY SQUARE 24, 8/18/06
JACKSONVILLE - BEACH BLVD CINEMA 12, 8/18/06
JUPITER - JUPITER MALL 18, 8/18/06
LAKELAND - POLK THEATRE, 9/1/06
LAKE WORTH - STAGE WEST AT THE DUNCAN THEATRE, 8/10/06
MIAMI BEACH - SOUTH BEACH 18, 7/28/06
SARASOTA - SFS BURNS COURT CINEMA, 8/14/06
SUNRISE - SUNRISE 11, 7/28/06
TALLAHASSEE - MIRACLE FIVE, 8/11/06
TAMPA - TAMPA THEATRE, 8/11/06
VERO BEACH - AMC INDIAN RIVER 24, 8/18/06
WINTER PARK - WINTER PARK VILLAGE 20, 8/11/06
-GEORGIA-
ALPHARETTA - AMC MANSELL CROSSING 14, 8/11/06
ATLANTA - UA TARA CINEMA 4, 7/28/06
AUGUSTA - IMPERIAL THEATRE, 8/21/06
-HAWAII-
HILO - PALACE THEATRE, 9/15/06
-IDAHO-
BOISE - FLICKS FOUR, 8/11/06
SANDPOINT - PANIDA THEATRE, 8/31/06
KETCHUM - THE MAGIC LANTERN 4, 9/22/06
-ILLINOIS-
CHICAGO - LOEWS PIPERS ALLEY 4, 7/7/06
CHICAGO - LOEWS ESQUIRE 6, 7/21/06
CHICAGO - RIVER EAST 21, 7/21/06
EVANSTON - CINEARTS 6, 7/7/06
HIGHLAND PARK - RENAISSANCE PLACE CINEMA, 7/14/06
HOFFMAN ESTATES - BARRINGTON SQUARE SIX, 8/4/06
LOMBARD - YORKTOWN CINEMA 18, 7/21/06
SCHAUMBURG - STREETS OF WOODFIELD 20, 7/21/06
WARRENVILLE, AMC CANTERA 30, 7/21/06
-INDIANA-
COLUMBUS - YES CINEMA, 9/15/06
FT WAYNE - FORT WAYNE CINEMA CENTER, 9/15/06
INDIANAPOLIS - KEYSTONE ART CINEMA, 8/4/06
-IOWA-
AMES - VARSITY 2 THEATRE, 8/25/06
DES MOINES - FLEUR 4 THEATRES, 8/4/06
-KANSAS-
OLATHE - AMC STUDIO 30, 8/4/06
-KENTUCKY-
LEXINGTON - KENTUCKY THEATRE 2, 8/18/06
LOUISVILLE - BAXTER AVE THEATRE 8, 8/11/06
-LOUISIANA-
BATON ROUGE - UA SIEGEN VILLAGE TEN, 8/11/06
NEW ORLEANS - C**** PLACE CINEMA 4, 8/4/06
-MARYLAND-
CAMDEN - BAYVIEW ST CINEMA, 9/15/06
ELLSWORTH - GRAND AUD HANCOCK COUNTY, 8/20/06
WATERVILLE - RAILROAD SQUARE CINEMA, 8/4/06
-MARYLAND-
ANNAPOLIS - CROWN HARBOUR NINE, 8/18/06
BALTIMORE - CHARLES THEATRE, 8/25/06
BETHESDA - BETHESDA ROW CINEMA, 7/21/06
GAITHERSBURG - RIO 14 THEATRE, 8/4/06
-MASSACHUSETTS-
CAMBRIDGE -KENDALL SQUARE CINEMA 9, 7/7/06
DANVERS - LOEWS LIBERTY TREE MALL 20, 7/21/06
FRAMINGHAM - FRAMINGHAM 14, 7/21/06
NEWBURYPORT - NEWBURYPORT SCRNING ROOM, 9/1/06
NORTH FALMOUTH -NICKELODEON 5, 8/4/06
PITTSFIELD - LITTLE CINEMA, 8/25/06
WALTHAM - EMBASSY CINEMA 6, 7/7/06
-MICHIGAN-
ANN ARBOR - MICHIGAN, 8/18/06
GRAND RAPIDS - URBAN INST CONTEMP ARTS, 9/8/06
MAIN ART THEATRE 3 - ROYAL OAK, 7/7/06
NOVI - NOVI TOWN CENTER 8, 7/28/06
THREE OAKS - VICKERS THEATRE, 8/24/06
-MINNESOTA-
MINNEAPOLIS - LAGOON THEATRE 5, 7/14/06
EDINA - EDINA CINEMA 4, 7/14/06
-MISSOURI-
ST LOUIS - HI POINTE THEATRE, 7/28/06
KANSAS CITY - TIVOLI AT MANOR SQ 3, 8/4/06
-NEBRASKA-
OMAHA - AMC OAKVIEW 24, 8/11/06
-NEW HAMPSHIRE-
CONWAY - MAJESTIC THEATRE, 7/28/06
KEENE - COLONIAL THEATRE, 8/25/06
-NEW JERSEY-
BELLE MEADE - MONTGOMERY CINEMAS 6, 7/14/06
CEDAR GROVE - CINEMA 23, 7/21/06
EGG HARBOR TOWNSHIP - TOWNE STADIUM 16, 7/28/06
HAMILTON - AMC HAMILTON 24, 8/11/06
MONTCLAIR - CLAIRIDGE SIXPLEX, 7/14/06
PRINCETON - GARDEN TWIN THEATRE, 7/14/06
RED BANK - RED BANK ARTS CINEMA, 7/14/06
VOORHEES - RITZ SIXTEEN, 7/21/06
-NEW MEXICO-
ALBUQUERQUE - CENTURY 14, 7/28/06
SANTA FE - CCA CINEMATHEQUE, 8/4/06
-NEW YORK-
ALBANY - SPECTRUM CINEMA 7, 7/28/06
BROOKLYN - BROOKLYN HEIGHTS CINEMA, 7/14/06
BUFFALO - MARKET ARCADE DIGITAL, 8/11/06
CHAUTAUQUA - CINEMA THEA @ CHAUTAUQUA, 8/18/06
GREENBURGH - CINEMA 100 QUAD, 7/14/06
HUNTINGTON - CINEMA ARTS CENTRE 2, 7/14/06
ITHACA - FALL CREEK CINEMA 3, 7/28/06
KEW GARDENS - KEW GARDENS CINEMAS LLC, 7/14/06
MALVERNE - MALVERNE CINEMA 4, 7/14/06
MANHASSET - MANHASSET TRIPLEX, 7/14/06
NEW YORK - 64TH AND 2ND (3), 6/28/06
NEW YORK - ANGELIKA FILM CENTER 6, 6/28/06
NEW YORK - LINCOLN PLAZA CINEMAS, 6/28/06
PORT CHESTER - PORT CHESTER 14, 7/14/06
RHINEBECK - UPSTATE FILMS, 7/14/06
ROCHESTER - LITTLE CINEMA 5, 7/28/06
ROCHESTER - PITTSFORD PLAZA 6, 8/4/06
ROSENDALE - ROSENDALE, 8/4/06
ROSLYN - ROSLYN TRIO, 7/21/06
UTICA - MUNSON WILLIAMS PROCTOR, 9/13/06
WEST NYACK - LOEWS PALISADES CENTER 21, 7/14/06
WESTBURY - LOEWS ROOSEVELT RACEWAY 10, 7/14/06
-NEVADA-
LAS VEGAS - VILLAGE SQUARE 18, 7/28/06
RENO - RIVERSIDE 12, 8/4/06
-NORTH CAROLINA-
ASHEVILLE - FINE ARTS THEATRE, 8/18/06
CARY - GALAXY CINEMA, 8/11/06
CHARLOTTE - BALLANTYNE VILLAGE THEATRE, 8/4/06
CONCORD - AMC CONCORD MILLS, 8/18/06
DURHAM - CAROLINA 3, 8/11/06
FAYETTEVILLE - CAMEO ART HOUSE THEATRE, 8/4/06
RALEIGH - COLONY CINEMA 2, 8/11/06
WILMINGTON - THALIAN HALL CENTER, 9/4/06
-OHIO-
CLEVELAND HEIGHTS - CEDAR-LEE CINEMA 6, 8/4/06
COLUMBUS - DREXEL GATEWAY THEATRE, 8/11/06
DAYTON - NEW NEON MOVIES, 8/25/06
MARIEMONT - MARIEMONT 3, 7/28/06
-OKLAHOMA-
OKLAHOMA CITY - AMC QUAIL SPRINGS 24, 8/4/06
TULSA - AMC SOUTHROADS 20, 8/11/06
-OREGON-
ASHLAND - VARSITY 5 CINEMAS, 8/11/06
BEND - PILOT BUTTE 6 PLEX, 8/11/06
CORVALLIS - DARKSIDE CINEMAS, 8/11/06
EUGENE - BIJOU ART CINEMA, 8/4/06
PORTLAND, FOX 10 THEATRE, 7/21/06
-PENNSYLVANIA-
BALA CYNWYD - BALA THEATRE 3, 8/4/06
BENSALEM - AMC NESHAMINY, 8/11/06
GETTYSBURG - MAJESTIC THEATER, 9/8/06
PHILADELPHIA - RITZ AT THE BOURSE 5, 7/21/06
PITTSBURGH - MANOR 4, 8/18/06
SCRANTON - ENDLESS MOUNTAINS THEATRE, 8/11/06
-RHODE ISLAND-
PROVIDENCE - AVON THEATRE, 8/4/06
-TENNESSEE-
KNOXVILLE - REGAL DOWNTOWN WEST EIGHT, 8/4/06
MEMPHIS - STUDIO ON THE SQUARE 5, 8/11/06
NASHVILLE - GREEN HILLS COMMONS 16, 7/28/06
-TEXAS-
AUSTIN - ARBOR CINEMAS @ GREAT HILLS, 7/28/06
DALLAS - THE MAGNOLIA THEATRE, 7/14/06
FRISCO - AMC STONEBRIAR 24, 8/4/06
FT WORTH - UA HULEN MALL TEN, 7/28/06
GRAPEVINE - AMC GRAPEVINE MILLS 30, 8/4/06
HOUSTON - GREENWAY THREE THEATRE, 7/21/06
PLANO - ANGELIKA FILM CENTER & CAFE, 7/14/06
SAN ANTONIO - FIESTA 16, 8/4/06
SAN ANTONIO - BIJOU THEATER, 8/18/06
SUGARLAND - AMC FIRST COLONY 24, 8/4/06
WOODLANDS - CINEMARK AT MARKET STREET 5, 7/21/06
-UTAH-
SALT LAKE CITY - REGENCY TROLLEY SQUARE, 7/28/06
-VERMONT-
BURLINGTON - MERRILL'S ROXY THEATRE, 8/11/06
SPRINGFIELD - THE PICTURE SHOW, 8/25/06
ST JOHNSBURY - CATAMOUNT FILM AND ARTS, 9/8/06
-VIRGINIA-
ARLINGTON - SHIRLINGTON 7 THEATRES, 7/21/06
FAIRFAX - CINEMA ARTS THEATRE 6, 7/21/06
NORFOLK - NARO, 8/8/06
RICHMOND - WESTHAMPTON THEATRE 2, 8/4/06
-WASHINGTON-
BELLINGHAM - SEHOME THREE CINEMAS, 8/4/06
REDMOND - REDMOND THEATRE 8, 7/28/06
SEATTLE - UPTOWN THREE CINEMAS, 7/14/06
SEATTLE - SEVEN GABLES THEATRE, 7/14/06
SEATTLE - METRO TEN CINEMAS, 7/28/06
SPOKANE - RIVER PARK SQUARE 20, 8/11/06
TACOMA - GRAND TACOMA 3, 8/11/06
VANCOUVER - CITY CENTER CINEMA 12, 8/4/06
YAKIMA - YAKIMA CINEMAS 10, 9/8/06
-WISCONSIN-
MILWAUKEE - DOWNER THEATRE 2, 8/4/06
-ALABAMA-
HUNTSVILLE - MADISON SQUARE TWELVE, 8/25/06
-ALASKA-
ANCHORAGE - DIMOND CENTER 9, 8/4/06
-ARKANSAS-
LITTLE ROCK - MARKET STREET CINEMA, 8/18/06
-ARIZONA-
TUCSON - CENTURY ELCON 20, 8/4/06
-CALIFORNIA-
ARCATA - MINOR THEATRE, 8/18/06
BERKELEY - SHATTUCK 8, 7/7/06
BURBANK - BURBANK 16, 7/14/06
CAMARILLO - PASEO CAMARILLO CINEMAS 3, 8/4/06
CHICO - PAGEANT, 8/4/06
CLOVIS - UA MOVIES EIGHT, 8/4/06
COSTA MESA - EDW SO COAST VILLAGE 3, 6/30/06
COVINA - AMC COVINA 30, 7/14/06
DAVIS - DAVIS VARSITY THEATRE, 8/11/06
ENCINO - TOWN CENTER 5, 6/30/06
HEALDSBURG - RAVEN CINEMA 4, 7/21/06
HOLLYWOOD - ARCLIGHT HOLLYWOOD 15, 6/28/06
HUNTINGTON BEACH - CENTURY 20, 7/14/06
IRVINE - UNIVERSITY TOWN CTR 6 CINE, 6/30/06
LAGUNA NIGUEL - RANCHO NIGUEL 8, 7/14/06
LONG BEACH - ART THEATRE, 7/14/06
LOS ANGELES - FAIRFAX THREE, 7/28/06
MILL VALLEY - SEQUOIA TWIN, 7/7/06
MONTEREY - OSIO PLAZA THEATRE, 7/28/06
NEVADA CITY - NEVADA THEATRE, 9/8/06
OAKLAND - PARKWAY 2, 7/21/06
ONTARIO - ONTARIO MILLS 30, 7/14/06
ORANGE - AMC 30 AT THE BLOCK, 7/14/06
ORANGE - CENTURY STADIUM 25, 7/14/06
PALM DESERT - CINEMAS PALME D'OR, 7/14/06
PALM SPRINGS - THE CAMELOT THEATRES, 7/14/06
PALO ALTO - AQUARIUS TWIN, 7/7/06
PASADENA - LAEMMLE'S PLAYHOUSE 7, 6/30/06
PLEASANT HILL - CENTURY FIVE, 7/7/06
REDWOOD CITY - CENTURY 20 DOWNTOWN, 7/28/06
ROLLING HILLS ESTATES - THE AVENUES 13, 7/14/06
SACRAMENTO - TOWER ANGELIKA FILM CTR. 3, 7/28/06
SAN DIEGO - HILLCREST CINEMA FIVE, 7/14/06
SAN FRANCISCO - CLAY, 7/7/06
SAN FRANCISCO - EMPIRE THREE CINEMAS, 7/7/06
SAN JOSE - CAMERA STADIUM 12, 7/7/06
SAN JOSE - CINEARTS AT SANTANA ROW, 7/7/06
SAN JOSE - CENTURY 25 TWIN, 7/21/06
SAN LUIS OBISPO - PALM THEATRE 2, 7/14/06
SANTA BARBARA - PLAZA DE ORO TWIN, 7/21/06
SANTA BARBARA - RIVIERA, 7/14/06
SANTA CRUZ - DEL MAR THEATRE 4, 7/21/06
SANTA CRUZ - NICKELODEON FOUR, 7/28/06
SANTA MONICA - NUWILSHIRE TWIN THEATRE, 6/28/06
SANTA ROSA - RIALTO LAKESIDE CINEMAS, 7/7/06
TEMECULA - MOVIE EXPERIENCE 10, 7/21/06
TORRANCE - ROLLING HILLS 20, 7/14/06
VENTURA - CENTURY DOWNTOWN 10, 7/14/06
-COLORADO-
BOULDER - CROSSROADS 6 CINEMAS, 7/21/06
COLORADO SPRINGS - PEAK THEATRE 2, 9/1/06
DENVER - CHEZ ARTISTE (U HILLS 3), 7/14/06
HIGHLANDS RANCH - AMC HIGHLANDS RANCH 24, 8/4/06
WESTMINSTER - WESTMINSTER PROMENADE 24, 8/4/06
-CONNECTICUT-
BETHEL - BETHEL CINEMA FOUR, 7/14/06
HARTFORD - CINEMA CITY FOUR, 7/14/06
HARTFORD - CINESTUDIO, 9/17/06
NEW HAVEN - CRITERION CINEMAS, 7/21/06
NEW LONDON - GARDE ARTS CENTER, 8/9/06
NORWALK - GARDEN CINEMA, 7/14/06
STAMFORD - AVON THEATRE FILM CENTER, 7/14/06
-DELAWARE-
WILMINGTON - THEATRE N, 8/11/06
-DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA-
WASHINGTON, DC - E-STREET CINEMA, 7/21/06
-FLORIDA-
BOCA RATON - SHADOWOOD SQUARE 16, 7/28/06
BONITA SPRINGS - BONITA SPRINGS 12, 8/11/06
DELRAY BEACH - DELRAY 18 CINEMA, 8/18/06
FT MYERS - BELL TOWER 20, 8/11/06
GAINESVILLE - GAINESVILLE 14, 8/18/06
JACKSONVILLE - AMC REGENCY SQUARE 24, 8/18/06
JACKSONVILLE - BEACH BLVD CINEMA 12, 8/18/06
JUPITER - JUPITER MALL 18, 8/18/06
LAKELAND - POLK THEATRE, 9/1/06
LAKE WORTH - STAGE WEST AT THE DUNCAN THEATRE, 8/10/06
MIAMI BEACH - SOUTH BEACH 18, 7/28/06
SARASOTA - SFS BURNS COURT CINEMA, 8/14/06
SUNRISE - SUNRISE 11, 7/28/06
TALLAHASSEE - MIRACLE FIVE, 8/11/06
TAMPA - TAMPA THEATRE, 8/11/06
VERO BEACH - AMC INDIAN RIVER 24, 8/18/06
WINTER PARK - WINTER PARK VILLAGE 20, 8/11/06
-GEORGIA-
ALPHARETTA - AMC MANSELL CROSSING 14, 8/11/06
ATLANTA - UA TARA CINEMA 4, 7/28/06
AUGUSTA - IMPERIAL THEATRE, 8/21/06
-HAWAII-
HILO - PALACE THEATRE, 9/15/06
-IDAHO-
BOISE - FLICKS FOUR, 8/11/06
SANDPOINT - PANIDA THEATRE, 8/31/06
KETCHUM - THE MAGIC LANTERN 4, 9/22/06
-ILLINOIS-
CHICAGO - LOEWS PIPERS ALLEY 4, 7/7/06
CHICAGO - LOEWS ESQUIRE 6, 7/21/06
CHICAGO - RIVER EAST 21, 7/21/06
EVANSTON - CINEARTS 6, 7/7/06
HIGHLAND PARK - RENAISSANCE PLACE CINEMA, 7/14/06
HOFFMAN ESTATES - BARRINGTON SQUARE SIX, 8/4/06
LOMBARD - YORKTOWN CINEMA 18, 7/21/06
SCHAUMBURG - STREETS OF WOODFIELD 20, 7/21/06
WARRENVILLE, AMC CANTERA 30, 7/21/06
-INDIANA-
COLUMBUS - YES CINEMA, 9/15/06
FT WAYNE - FORT WAYNE CINEMA CENTER, 9/15/06
INDIANAPOLIS - KEYSTONE ART CINEMA, 8/4/06
-IOWA-
AMES - VARSITY 2 THEATRE, 8/25/06
DES MOINES - FLEUR 4 THEATRES, 8/4/06
-KANSAS-
OLATHE - AMC STUDIO 30, 8/4/06
-KENTUCKY-
LEXINGTON - KENTUCKY THEATRE 2, 8/18/06
LOUISVILLE - BAXTER AVE THEATRE 8, 8/11/06
-LOUISIANA-
BATON ROUGE - UA SIEGEN VILLAGE TEN, 8/11/06
NEW ORLEANS - C**** PLACE CINEMA 4, 8/4/06
-MARYLAND-
CAMDEN - BAYVIEW ST CINEMA, 9/15/06
ELLSWORTH - GRAND AUD HANCOCK COUNTY, 8/20/06
WATERVILLE - RAILROAD SQUARE CINEMA, 8/4/06
-MARYLAND-
ANNAPOLIS - CROWN HARBOUR NINE, 8/18/06
BALTIMORE - CHARLES THEATRE, 8/25/06
BETHESDA - BETHESDA ROW CINEMA, 7/21/06
GAITHERSBURG - RIO 14 THEATRE, 8/4/06
-MASSACHUSETTS-
CAMBRIDGE -KENDALL SQUARE CINEMA 9, 7/7/06
DANVERS - LOEWS LIBERTY TREE MALL 20, 7/21/06
FRAMINGHAM - FRAMINGHAM 14, 7/21/06
NEWBURYPORT - NEWBURYPORT SCRNING ROOM, 9/1/06
NORTH FALMOUTH -NICKELODEON 5, 8/4/06
PITTSFIELD - LITTLE CINEMA, 8/25/06
WALTHAM - EMBASSY CINEMA 6, 7/7/06
-MICHIGAN-
ANN ARBOR - MICHIGAN, 8/18/06
GRAND RAPIDS - URBAN INST CONTEMP ARTS, 9/8/06
MAIN ART THEATRE 3 - ROYAL OAK, 7/7/06
NOVI - NOVI TOWN CENTER 8, 7/28/06
THREE OAKS - VICKERS THEATRE, 8/24/06
-MINNESOTA-
MINNEAPOLIS - LAGOON THEATRE 5, 7/14/06
EDINA - EDINA CINEMA 4, 7/14/06
-MISSOURI-
ST LOUIS - HI POINTE THEATRE, 7/28/06
KANSAS CITY - TIVOLI AT MANOR SQ 3, 8/4/06
-NEBRASKA-
OMAHA - AMC OAKVIEW 24, 8/11/06
-NEW HAMPSHIRE-
CONWAY - MAJESTIC THEATRE, 7/28/06
KEENE - COLONIAL THEATRE, 8/25/06
-NEW JERSEY-
BELLE MEADE - MONTGOMERY CINEMAS 6, 7/14/06
CEDAR GROVE - CINEMA 23, 7/21/06
EGG HARBOR TOWNSHIP - TOWNE STADIUM 16, 7/28/06
HAMILTON - AMC HAMILTON 24, 8/11/06
MONTCLAIR - CLAIRIDGE SIXPLEX, 7/14/06
PRINCETON - GARDEN TWIN THEATRE, 7/14/06
RED BANK - RED BANK ARTS CINEMA, 7/14/06
VOORHEES - RITZ SIXTEEN, 7/21/06
-NEW MEXICO-
ALBUQUERQUE - CENTURY 14, 7/28/06
SANTA FE - CCA CINEMATHEQUE, 8/4/06
-NEW YORK-
ALBANY - SPECTRUM CINEMA 7, 7/28/06
BROOKLYN - BROOKLYN HEIGHTS CINEMA, 7/14/06
BUFFALO - MARKET ARCADE DIGITAL, 8/11/06
CHAUTAUQUA - CINEMA THEA @ CHAUTAUQUA, 8/18/06
GREENBURGH - CINEMA 100 QUAD, 7/14/06
HUNTINGTON - CINEMA ARTS CENTRE 2, 7/14/06
ITHACA - FALL CREEK CINEMA 3, 7/28/06
KEW GARDENS - KEW GARDENS CINEMAS LLC, 7/14/06
MALVERNE - MALVERNE CINEMA 4, 7/14/06
MANHASSET - MANHASSET TRIPLEX, 7/14/06
NEW YORK - 64TH AND 2ND (3), 6/28/06
NEW YORK - ANGELIKA FILM CENTER 6, 6/28/06
NEW YORK - LINCOLN PLAZA CINEMAS, 6/28/06
PORT CHESTER - PORT CHESTER 14, 7/14/06
RHINEBECK - UPSTATE FILMS, 7/14/06
ROCHESTER - LITTLE CINEMA 5, 7/28/06
ROCHESTER - PITTSFORD PLAZA 6, 8/4/06
ROSENDALE - ROSENDALE, 8/4/06
ROSLYN - ROSLYN TRIO, 7/21/06
UTICA - MUNSON WILLIAMS PROCTOR, 9/13/06
WEST NYACK - LOEWS PALISADES CENTER 21, 7/14/06
WESTBURY - LOEWS ROOSEVELT RACEWAY 10, 7/14/06
-NEVADA-
LAS VEGAS - VILLAGE SQUARE 18, 7/28/06
RENO - RIVERSIDE 12, 8/4/06
-NORTH CAROLINA-
ASHEVILLE - FINE ARTS THEATRE, 8/18/06
CARY - GALAXY CINEMA, 8/11/06
CHARLOTTE - BALLANTYNE VILLAGE THEATRE, 8/4/06
CONCORD - AMC CONCORD MILLS, 8/18/06
DURHAM - CAROLINA 3, 8/11/06
FAYETTEVILLE - CAMEO ART HOUSE THEATRE, 8/4/06
RALEIGH - COLONY CINEMA 2, 8/11/06
WILMINGTON - THALIAN HALL CENTER, 9/4/06
-OHIO-
CLEVELAND HEIGHTS - CEDAR-LEE CINEMA 6, 8/4/06
COLUMBUS - DREXEL GATEWAY THEATRE, 8/11/06
DAYTON - NEW NEON MOVIES, 8/25/06
MARIEMONT - MARIEMONT 3, 7/28/06
-OKLAHOMA-
OKLAHOMA CITY - AMC QUAIL SPRINGS 24, 8/4/06
TULSA - AMC SOUTHROADS 20, 8/11/06
-OREGON-
ASHLAND - VARSITY 5 CINEMAS, 8/11/06
BEND - PILOT BUTTE 6 PLEX, 8/11/06
CORVALLIS - DARKSIDE CINEMAS, 8/11/06
EUGENE - BIJOU ART CINEMA, 8/4/06
PORTLAND, FOX 10 THEATRE, 7/21/06
-PENNSYLVANIA-
BALA CYNWYD - BALA THEATRE 3, 8/4/06
BENSALEM - AMC NESHAMINY, 8/11/06
GETTYSBURG - MAJESTIC THEATER, 9/8/06
PHILADELPHIA - RITZ AT THE BOURSE 5, 7/21/06
PITTSBURGH - MANOR 4, 8/18/06
SCRANTON - ENDLESS MOUNTAINS THEATRE, 8/11/06
-RHODE ISLAND-
PROVIDENCE - AVON THEATRE, 8/4/06
-TENNESSEE-
KNOXVILLE - REGAL DOWNTOWN WEST EIGHT, 8/4/06
MEMPHIS - STUDIO ON THE SQUARE 5, 8/11/06
NASHVILLE - GREEN HILLS COMMONS 16, 7/28/06
-TEXAS-
AUSTIN - ARBOR CINEMAS @ GREAT HILLS, 7/28/06
DALLAS - THE MAGNOLIA THEATRE, 7/14/06
FRISCO - AMC STONEBRIAR 24, 8/4/06
FT WORTH - UA HULEN MALL TEN, 7/28/06
GRAPEVINE - AMC GRAPEVINE MILLS 30, 8/4/06
HOUSTON - GREENWAY THREE THEATRE, 7/21/06
PLANO - ANGELIKA FILM CENTER & CAFE, 7/14/06
SAN ANTONIO - FIESTA 16, 8/4/06
SAN ANTONIO - BIJOU THEATER, 8/18/06
SUGARLAND - AMC FIRST COLONY 24, 8/4/06
WOODLANDS - CINEMARK AT MARKET STREET 5, 7/21/06
-UTAH-
SALT LAKE CITY - REGENCY TROLLEY SQUARE, 7/28/06
-VERMONT-
BURLINGTON - MERRILL'S ROXY THEATRE, 8/11/06
SPRINGFIELD - THE PICTURE SHOW, 8/25/06
ST JOHNSBURY - CATAMOUNT FILM AND ARTS, 9/8/06
-VIRGINIA-
ARLINGTON - SHIRLINGTON 7 THEATRES, 7/21/06
FAIRFAX - CINEMA ARTS THEATRE 6, 7/21/06
NORFOLK - NARO, 8/8/06
RICHMOND - WESTHAMPTON THEATRE 2, 8/4/06
-WASHINGTON-
BELLINGHAM - SEHOME THREE CINEMAS, 8/4/06
REDMOND - REDMOND THEATRE 8, 7/28/06
SEATTLE - UPTOWN THREE CINEMAS, 7/14/06
SEATTLE - SEVEN GABLES THEATRE, 7/14/06
SEATTLE - METRO TEN CINEMAS, 7/28/06
SPOKANE - RIVER PARK SQUARE 20, 8/11/06
TACOMA - GRAND TACOMA 3, 8/11/06
VANCOUVER - CITY CENTER CINEMA 12, 8/4/06
YAKIMA - YAKIMA CINEMAS 10, 9/8/06
-WISCONSIN-
MILWAUKEE - DOWNER THEATRE 2, 8/4/06
#12
08-06-2006, 10:19 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2006
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I saw who killed the electric car. that movie made me angry at GM and the auto industry. even at toyota and honda. the movie is enlightenng but also makes u angry.
#13
08-07-2006, 12:34 AM
I spent a couple of weeks in Italy where there are lots of small cars including the Fit. Regular gasoline is about $6.48 per U.S. gallon. The best way to encourage people to buy small cars is for government to raise fuel taxes. A side benefit of higher gas taxes will allow states, counties, and municipalities to turn their toll roads into freeways.
#14
08-07-2006, 08:22 AM
I just returned from a few weeks in central Europe and here are my observed USD equivalent gas prices:
German Prices:
Diesel - $5.44/gal
Ulead Reg - $6.48/gal
In Belgium the going rate for Regular gas was $6.78/gal.
These prices are based on $1.25 to the Euro, and a few notes that I made while buying fuel and passing gas stations. My rental was a Skoda Octavia TDi Wagon. Loaded to the gills with people and gear it was averaging 38mpg. Still, the fuel stops translated into $71 or more for a 40+ liter fillup.
For reference, the current prices here in the Northeast US are looking like $3.17-$3.20 per gallon for Ulead Reg. Today's news about Prudhoe Bay being temporarily mothballed mean that it will be $3.25 by the end of the week.
I don't advocate punative pricing, but this price spike has certainly seems to have spurred the market in fuel efficient vehicles.
German Prices:
Diesel - $5.44/gal
Ulead Reg - $6.48/gal
In Belgium the going rate for Regular gas was $6.78/gal.
These prices are based on $1.25 to the Euro, and a few notes that I made while buying fuel and passing gas stations. My rental was a Skoda Octavia TDi Wagon. Loaded to the gills with people and gear it was averaging 38mpg. Still, the fuel stops translated into $71 or more for a 40+ liter fillup.
For reference, the current prices here in the Northeast US are looking like $3.17-$3.20 per gallon for Ulead Reg. Today's news about Prudhoe Bay being temporarily mothballed mean that it will be $3.25 by the end of the week.
I don't advocate punative pricing, but this price spike has certainly seems to have spurred the market in fuel efficient vehicles.
#15
08-07-2006, 09:36 AM
I'm glad I mentioned "Who Killed the Electric Car" even though it got some of us upset. Loved the great comments! It makes me feel better to know that there are plenty of people out there who really care about this issue and can write eloquently about it. We have become a nation of consumers and it's slowly (or in some cases rapidly) killing us. By attending showings of documentary films like this one, refusing to buy the garbage that supports CEOs making multimillions of dollars a year, and making our voices heard on the Internet and in independent news services, we can push for change and break the stranglehold government and industry have on our lives. Going green could create plenty of new products, industries and jobs and put our country in the technological lead again. We just need new leaders!!
#16
08-07-2006, 12:57 PM
Originally Posted by da_bom
I just returned from a few weeks in central Europe and here are my observed USD equivalent gas prices:
German Prices:
Diesel - $5.44/gal
Ulead Reg - $6.48/gal
In Belgium the going rate for Regular gas was $6.78/gal.
These prices are based on $1.25 to the Euro, and a few notes that I made while buying fuel and passing gas stations. My rental was a Skoda Octavia TDi Wagon. Loaded to the gills with people and gear it was averaging 38mpg. Still, the fuel stops translated into $71 or more for a 40+ liter fillup.
For reference, the current prices here in the Northeast US are looking like $3.17-$3.20 per gallon for Ulead Reg. Today's news about Prudhoe Bay being temporarily mothballed mean that it will be $3.25 by the end of the week.
I don't advocate punative pricing, but this price spike has certainly seems to have spurred the market in fuel efficient vehicles.
German Prices:
Diesel - $5.44/gal
Ulead Reg - $6.48/gal
In Belgium the going rate for Regular gas was $6.78/gal.
These prices are based on $1.25 to the Euro, and a few notes that I made while buying fuel and passing gas stations. My rental was a Skoda Octavia TDi Wagon. Loaded to the gills with people and gear it was averaging 38mpg. Still, the fuel stops translated into $71 or more for a 40+ liter fillup.
For reference, the current prices here in the Northeast US are looking like $3.17-$3.20 per gallon for Ulead Reg. Today's news about Prudhoe Bay being temporarily mothballed mean that it will be $3.25 by the end of the week.
I don't advocate punative pricing, but this price spike has certainly seems to have spurred the market in fuel efficient vehicles.
Currently here in Dallas you can find high grade 93 octane at $3.05. Reg. 87 octane is around $2.85. Although if you go to San Antonio you can get it even cheaper. I'm just wondering how long our prices will stay lower than other countries.
#17
08-07-2006, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by FondaFit
I'm glad I mentioned "Who Killed the Electric Car" even though it got some of us upset. Loved the great comments! It makes me feel better to know that there are plenty of people out there who really care about this issue and can write eloquently about it. We have become a nation of consumers and it's slowly (or in some cases rapidly) killing us. By attending showings of documentary films like this one, refusing to buy the garbage that supports CEOs making multimillions of dollars a year, and making our voices heard on the Internet and in independent news services, we can push for change and break the stranglehold government and industry have on our lives. Going green could create plenty of new products, industries and jobs and put our country in the technological lead again. We just need new leaders!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/19/bu...rssnyt&emc=rss
http://www.teslamotors.com/
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...cleId=116204#2
http://news.com.com/2300-11386_3-609...tag=ne.gall.pg
http://news.com.com/Take+a+test+driv...3-6102127.html
This isn't the Tesla, but it's a modified ariel atom so instead of using a supercharged civic R engine, it uses a prius electric engine, and can outrun a low end ferrrarri and a porshe.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=J2DGfisAn...20ariel%20atom
Last edited by Gordio; 08-07-2006 at 09:03 PM.
#18
08-07-2006, 09:40 PM
The electric cars originally produced targeted the wrong market. You can't sell a 80,000 car costing 40k and expect to earn money. Had they been doing what the rest of the world does, they would have targeted the performance guys first and let it trickle down.
Computers, plasma TVs, Bluetooth, Navi systems - all started by targeting the wealthy first, and as time goes by, let it trickle down to middle class.
I love the Tesla, being a fan of the Elise.
Computers, plasma TVs, Bluetooth, Navi systems - all started by targeting the wealthy first, and as time goes by, let it trickle down to middle class.
I love the Tesla, being a fan of the Elise.
#19
08-08-2006, 12:08 PM
da-bom--thank you for the kind response.
I'm involved in enviro issues too, for many yrs as activist/advocate and now as director of our local 2-county groundwater conservation district (we regulate the pumping of groundwater in order to protect and conserve our aquifers). I appreciate meeting a fellow "regulator" who has managed to retain social conscience despite what I suspect is constant pressure to cave into biz interests. (TX is especially bad about this).
Your point about electricity is correct, it is certainly a commodity. However what makes it "not fit" with the present model of our transportation-dependent economy is precisely what you point out--you can make it yourself (solar panels, windmill, whatever) so therefore it cannot be so completely controlled by a centralized distribution monopoly that can jerk you around with pricing and taxing (and availability!) like the oil/gas industry can. The electricity used for your automobile cannot be separated from that used for your house so it would be hard for example, to add a "road tax" to it, etc. Big biz is the baddest control freak, how do you think they got so big?!
I look at the car lots here that are overflowing with deeply discounted mega trucks baking in the ever rising heat of TX and am sad to think that we may not have the political will to change direction as severely as needed to prevent total meltdown of planet earth. I am not being alarmist, just realistic. More heat waves, more big hurricanes, more coastal refugees displaced from homes they cannot rebuild--more unrest in the middle east and elsewhere. It's all connected.
Many posts have complained about mpg and there is a split betw folks who want "more power" and "more efficiency." I'll wager the technology is there for us to have both (in fact, the electic plugins seemed to) but it has been squelched by the industries who are threatened by this (gas, oil, status quo auto makers who don't want to retool--hey, the AUTO REPAIR industry would just about go belly up if plugin electrics came on strong).
Why so may small cars in Europe and other distant lands? Gas pricing has driven that for sure. And if that is the only way to get our attention, then I''m all for $6/gallon gas here too.
One more thing--lots of hype about ethanol needs more careful consideration. It takes a huge amount of water to manufacture ethanol. Our country, particularly the west, faces serious water shortages in the years ahead. Ethanol may not be the solution we were hoping for.
Fact is, we Americans are spoiled rotten. We've been living high on the hog for a century or more. We have used up many of our natural resources that appeared to be infinite. It is time we learned to tread more lightly on the planet.
I went to a special showing of Electric Car in Austin, at which the electric car club from Austin was there to show some of their beautiful cool little cars and to foment revolution. They are looking for folks interested in being part of a local "think tank" to develop a plug-in hybrid car. Austin has lots of software techno geeks plus the most viable environmental grassroots in TX so this is a good incubator for such a project. They hope to develop a plugin hybrid design and actually build these cars, if they can get together a group of folks willing to put their money where their mouth is--I believe they are trying to produce these things to sell for around 30K.
To learn more, see http://www.klru.org/austinnow/archives/oil/index.asp
I'm involved in enviro issues too, for many yrs as activist/advocate and now as director of our local 2-county groundwater conservation district (we regulate the pumping of groundwater in order to protect and conserve our aquifers). I appreciate meeting a fellow "regulator" who has managed to retain social conscience despite what I suspect is constant pressure to cave into biz interests. (TX is especially bad about this).
Your point about electricity is correct, it is certainly a commodity. However what makes it "not fit" with the present model of our transportation-dependent economy is precisely what you point out--you can make it yourself (solar panels, windmill, whatever) so therefore it cannot be so completely controlled by a centralized distribution monopoly that can jerk you around with pricing and taxing (and availability!) like the oil/gas industry can. The electricity used for your automobile cannot be separated from that used for your house so it would be hard for example, to add a "road tax" to it, etc. Big biz is the baddest control freak, how do you think they got so big?!
I look at the car lots here that are overflowing with deeply discounted mega trucks baking in the ever rising heat of TX and am sad to think that we may not have the political will to change direction as severely as needed to prevent total meltdown of planet earth. I am not being alarmist, just realistic. More heat waves, more big hurricanes, more coastal refugees displaced from homes they cannot rebuild--more unrest in the middle east and elsewhere. It's all connected.
Many posts have complained about mpg and there is a split betw folks who want "more power" and "more efficiency." I'll wager the technology is there for us to have both (in fact, the electic plugins seemed to) but it has been squelched by the industries who are threatened by this (gas, oil, status quo auto makers who don't want to retool--hey, the AUTO REPAIR industry would just about go belly up if plugin electrics came on strong).
Why so may small cars in Europe and other distant lands? Gas pricing has driven that for sure. And if that is the only way to get our attention, then I''m all for $6/gallon gas here too.
One more thing--lots of hype about ethanol needs more careful consideration. It takes a huge amount of water to manufacture ethanol. Our country, particularly the west, faces serious water shortages in the years ahead. Ethanol may not be the solution we were hoping for.
Fact is, we Americans are spoiled rotten. We've been living high on the hog for a century or more. We have used up many of our natural resources that appeared to be infinite. It is time we learned to tread more lightly on the planet.
I went to a special showing of Electric Car in Austin, at which the electric car club from Austin was there to show some of their beautiful cool little cars and to foment revolution. They are looking for folks interested in being part of a local "think tank" to develop a plug-in hybrid car. Austin has lots of software techno geeks plus the most viable environmental grassroots in TX so this is a good incubator for such a project. They hope to develop a plugin hybrid design and actually build these cars, if they can get together a group of folks willing to put their money where their mouth is--I believe they are trying to produce these things to sell for around 30K.
To learn more, see http://www.klru.org/austinnow/archives/oil/index.asp
