In article <42549460.2103AA88@nyc.rr.com>, slim <pickin's@nyc.rr.com>
wrote:

> > This is only about the tenth time something like this has happened in
> > the last 20 years, so....you kids may do business the way you like, and
> > I'll do business the way I like, and I'll come out ahead. But you'd
> > rather throw a tantrum and yell "the dealer sucks!" every time you turn
> > around; that's your prerogative.
>
> Tell you what, Elmo, you are one LUCKY MOTHERF%$*ER if your
> Honda dealer isn't a total scumbag.

Maybe. Or maybe I'm careful. I deal with ONE mechanic (used to be TWO,
but one of them left to work for Honda).

There are other mechanics at this same dealership who are, shall we say,
questionable. But while management lets them do their thing, management
takes care of ME. And my mechanic stands up for me as needed.

 

In article <42554676.EF1C4BC8@nyc.rr.com>, pickin's@nyc.rr.com says...

>See, over at Paragon Honda in LIC, one cannot choose thier mechanic.
>
>Face it, the service department is a cash cow for the dealer, and they
>have their own interests first.

I'll second that the service at Paragon sucks.
----------------------
Alex

 

In article <42520CB8.37E7A196@nyc.rr.com>, pickin's@nyc.rr.com says...
>OK.
>I love my 96 Civic Coupe. It has been good to me and I have been good to it.
>But what the %$#& is up with wipers???????
>I can't seem to find a set that ACTUALLY WORKS for mor than a month or two!
>I have tried almost every brand and they ALL SUCK.
>Streaks, smears, chattering, tearing, you name it.
>PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
>What brand of wipers will WORK for more than a month or two on this car?

Make sure you windshield is clean. If it isn't, then the best wipers are
going to smear. Also, if your windshield has a lot of scratches, nothing
short of a new windshield is going to help.
---------------
Alex

 

In article <4255F0E4.7BD5F489@nyc.rr.com>, slim <pickin's@nyc.rr.com>
wrote:

> > no, idiots pay $54 to get the oil changed. The dealership simply
> > charges the going rate.
>
> Oh, please.
>
> All along Northern Blvd, you can an oil change for $20-30.
>
> The Paragon Honda are price gouging fuckers!

How can that be? If people are willing to pay for it, then those same
people must think it has that value.

No one--NO one--is forcing ANYONE to go there for a $54 oil change.

If no one went, then they wouldn't have any business--and they'd lower
their price until they found the level that generated the business they
need.

So no one is price gouging, because there are plenty of alternatives.
They don't own the market. Anyone who goes there, does so of his own
free will. He does so because he doesn't feel gouged.

Paragon is charging the going rate for the people that walk in the door.
If people stop walking in the door, they'll lower their rate.

But until that happens, they'll keep the rate up and maximize their
profits--as any business will do.

 

slim wrote:
>
> SoCalMike wrote:
>
>>slim wrote:
>>
>>>SoCalMike wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article <425592C4.89E84DD5@nyc.rr.com>, slim <pickin's@nyc.rr.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Shit, they charge FIFTY FOUR BUCKS (beacuse they "HAVE TO")
>>>>>>to change the oil!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>no, idiots pay $54 to get the oil changed. The dealership simply
>>>>>charges the going rate.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>if theyre scaring girlies by saying a lack of a $54 oil change will void
>>>>their warranty, thats just wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>>The fat bastard service manager tells everyone that "if someone else
>>>changes your oil, they MIGHT strip the drian bolt and then you have
>>>to replace the pan, and that will cost you $800."
>>
>>for a pan? right.
>
>
> OEM parts and Labor.
>
> Thats what the fat bastard Service Manager told me. Scare tactics...SOP.
>
> Plus he said that it would void the warranty on my car.
>
> Hey....whats a Honda dealer in SoCal charge for a oil change?
>
>
>
my local, norm reeves, has a $30 coupon special. might be even less, i
dunno. i do as much as possible myself. for bout $22, i can use an OEM
honda filter, and mobil1. so i go that route.

dunno if im going to do the timing belt/water pump when the time comes.

 

slim wrote:
>
> SoCalMike wrote:
>
>>Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>>>In article <425592C4.89E84DD5@nyc.rr.com>, slim <pickin's@nyc.rr.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Shit, they charge FIFTY FOUR BUCKS (beacuse they "HAVE TO")
>>>>to change the oil!!!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>no, idiots pay $54 to get the oil changed. The dealership simply
>>>charges the going rate.
>>>
>>
>>if theyre scaring girlies by saying a lack of a $54 oil change will void
>>their warranty, thats just wrong.
>
>
> The fat bastard service manager tells everyone that "if someone else
> changes your oil, they MIGHT strip the drian bolt and then you have
> to replace the pan, and that will cost you $800."

for a pan? right.
>
> While there is a ring of truth to that, a good mechanic will use a
> torque wrench instead of an air wrench, and of course.....
> CAVEAT EMPTOR.

anyone who would use an air wrench to tighten a drain bolt is severely
retarded. to loosen? i guess i could see that. ive got a set of harbor
freight offset closed end wrenches that work great.

 

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <425592C4.89E84DD5@nyc.rr.com>, slim <pickin's@nyc.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Shit, they charge FIFTY FOUR BUCKS (beacuse they "HAVE TO")
>>to change the oil!!!!!!!
>
>
> no, idiots pay $54 to get the oil changed. The dealership simply
> charges the going rate.
>


if theyre scaring girlies by saying a lack of a $54 oil change will void
their warranty, thats just wrong.

 

In article <425592C4.89E84DD5@nyc.rr.com>, slim <pickin's@nyc.rr.com>
wrote:

> Shit, they charge FIFTY FOUR BUCKS (beacuse they "HAVE TO")
> to change the oil!!!!!!!

no, idiots pay $54 to get the oil changed. The dealership simply
charges the going rate.

 

In article <42554676.EF1C4BC8@nyc.rr.com>, slim <pickin's@nyc.rr.com>
wrote:

> > There are other mechanics at this same dealership who are, shall we say,
> > questionable. But while management lets them do their thing, management
> > takes care of ME. And my mechanic stands up for me as needed.
>
> See, over at Paragon Honda in LIC, one cannot choose thier mechanic.

I wouldn't go there. I agree.

I can't imagine the small businessman who doesn't let the customer
choose.


> Face it, the service department is a cash cow for the dealer, and they
> have their own interests first.

That's ALWAYS the case. It's just that at Paragon, obviously, they
don't know what their own interests are.

 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote

> > Tell you what, Elmo, you are one LUCKY MOTHERF%$*ER if your
> > Honda dealer isn't a total scumbag.
>
> Maybe. Or maybe I'm careful. I deal with ONE mechanic (used to be TWO,
> but one of them left to work for Honda).
>
> There are other mechanics at this same dealership who are, shall we say,
> questionable. But while management lets them do their thing, management
> takes care of ME. And my mechanic stands up for me as needed.

Make that TWO lucky "M's"..... my dealership treats me like gold.

 

OK.

I love my 96 Civic Coupe. It has been good to me and I have been good to it.

But what the %$#& is up with wipers???????

I can't seem to find a set that ACTUALLY WORKS for mor than a month or two!

I have tried almost every brand and they ALL SUCK.

Streaks, smears, chattering, tearing, you name it.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

What brand of wipers will WORK for more than a month or two on this car?



--

- Slim

 

"slim" <pickin's@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:42549460.2103AA88@nyc.rr.com...
>
> Tell you what, Elmo, you are one LUCKY MOTHERF%$*ER if your
> Honda dealer isn't a total scumbag.
>
> Here in NYC, it just ain't so.

Head north. Friendly Honda in Pleaseant Valley and Morehead in Newburgh are
fine to deal with.

> When my car had 16K on it, they told me that they HAD to replace
> my brake pads, and that they HAD to charge me for x hours of labor.

Why they needed replacing at 16k is a mystery, but by the "book" they don't
have to do it for free. I agree that at 16k they should have done it as
good will, but they didn't have to.

 

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <42535957.4BD4E95D@nyc.rr.com>, slim <pickin's@nyc.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>Seems like we probably have a dealer-hater here; Slim probably never
>>>even THOUGHT of going to the dealer to get the $7 worth of inserts.
>>>He's probably spent $100 or so up to now, all the while thinking that
>>>dealership are by definition evil or something.
>>
>>Hey....my local Honda dealer is PURE SCUM.
>
>
> Fine and dandy. Doesn't change the fact that OEM inserts are better
> than anything out there.
>
> And I doubt he's scum.
>


might be. quite a lot of em are. they know if you buy a honda and take
care of it, they wont see you for at least 15 years. so they try to get
as much money as possible from you.

 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-DB0D9B.17253706042005@text.usenetserver.com...
> In article <42544E7C.6EA0E98C@nyc.rr.com>, slim <pickin's@nyc.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> > > > Fine and dandy. Doesn't change the fact that OEM inserts are better
> > > > than anything out there.
> > > >
> > > > And I doubt he's scum.
> > >
> > > And I don't doubt you are an ass suckler.
> >
> > What? You LIKE being raped in the ass by the Dealer?
>
> I've never been raped in the ass by my Honda dealer.
>
> In fact, my relationship with my dealer saved me $300 just a couple
> weeks ago, when they waived the charge on a repair that shouldn't have
> been required.
>
> This is only about the tenth time something like this has happened in
> the last 20 years, so....you kids may do business the way you like, and
> I'll do business the way I like, and I'll come out ahead. But you'd
> rather throw a tantrum and yell "the dealer sucks!" every time you turn
> around; that's your prerogative.

My dealer is first-rate too. I guess there may some out here that are not
all that good, but I have not run into them yet.
>

 

In article <42544E7C.6EA0E98C@nyc.rr.com>, slim <pickin's@nyc.rr.com>
wrote:

> > > Fine and dandy. Doesn't change the fact that OEM inserts are better
> > > than anything out there.
> > >
> > > And I doubt he's scum.
> >
> > And I don't doubt you are an ass suckler.
>
> What? You LIKE being raped in the ass by the Dealer?

I've never been raped in the ass by my Honda dealer.

In fact, my relationship with my dealer saved me $300 just a couple
weeks ago, when they waived the charge on a repair that shouldn't have
been required.

This is only about the tenth time something like this has happened in
the last 20 years, so....you kids may do business the way you like, and
I'll do business the way I like, and I'll come out ahead. But you'd
rather throw a tantrum and yell "the dealer sucks!" every time you turn
around; that's your prerogative.

 

In article <4253ddc3$0$43982$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>,
"tony kujawa" <tjktjk2003@clappdico.com> wrote:

> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
> news:elmop-2BBFD0.06040006042005@text.usenetserver.com...
> > In article <42535957.4BD4E95D@nyc.rr.com>, slim <pickin's@nyc.rr.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > Seems like we probably have a dealer-hater here; Slim probably never
> > > > even THOUGHT of going to the dealer to get the $7 worth of inserts.
> > > > He's probably spent $100 or so up to now, all the while thinking that
> > > > dealership are by definition evil or something.
> > >
> > > Hey....my local Honda dealer is PURE SCUM.
> >
> > Fine and dandy. Doesn't change the fact that OEM inserts are better
> > than anything out there.
> >
> > And I doubt he's scum.
>
>
> And I don't doubt you are an ass suckler.

no, you HOPE I am.

Hey, Tony--what's the matter? You hate dealers so much, you'll go to
ANY lengths to make them look bad? Even lying?

 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-2BBFD0.06040006042005@text.usenetserver.com...
> In article <42535957.4BD4E95D@nyc.rr.com>, slim <pickin's@nyc.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> > > Seems like we probably have a dealer-hater here; Slim probably never
> > > even THOUGHT of going to the dealer to get the $7 worth of inserts.
> > > He's probably spent $100 or so up to now, all the while thinking that
> > > dealership are by definition evil or something.
> >
> > Hey....my local Honda dealer is PURE SCUM.
>
> Fine and dandy. Doesn't change the fact that OEM inserts are better
> than anything out there.
>
> And I doubt he's scum.


And I don't doubt you are an ass suckler.

 

slim <pickin's@nyc.rr.com> wrote in news:425357CB.2AA12F6E@nyc.rr.com:

>
>
> "TeGGer®" wrote:
>>

>>
>> And people wonder why I hate aftermarket.
>
>
> Funny thing, for every repair/replacement on my car, I usually insist
> on OEM, I figgered that replacement wipers were as good/better.
>
> I wuz wrong.


When I has a fender-bender three years ago, the only aftermarket
replacement part I allowed to be installed was the bumper rebar. I figured
how could that hurt? It's hidden, right? WRONG!

It was the wrong SHAPE, and it pulled the bumper skin forward and down in
the middle, throwing everything else off! Replacement with an OEM bar
($400) fixed it. Insurance comapny agreed to pay for it too, but that took
six months.

Aftermarket has its place, especially if you know it's the same stuff sold
by the dealer, but under a different name. My rad and windshield are
aftermarket, for example. Such respected posters here as Mista Bone use
aftermarket extensively, but they also know what they're looking at.
Generally I don't trust aftermarket.


--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

In article <42535957.4BD4E95D@nyc.rr.com>, slim <pickin's@nyc.rr.com>
wrote:

> > Seems like we probably have a dealer-hater here; Slim probably never
> > even THOUGHT of going to the dealer to get the $7 worth of inserts.
> > He's probably spent $100 or so up to now, all the while thinking that
> > dealership are by definition evil or something.
>
> Hey....my local Honda dealer is PURE SCUM.

Fine and dandy. Doesn't change the fact that OEM inserts are better
than anything out there.

And I doubt he's scum.

 

i like the oem ones

"slim" <pickin's@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:42520CB8.37E7A196@nyc.rr.com...
>
> OK.
>
> I love my 96 Civic Coupe. It has been good to me and I have been good to
> it.
>
> But what the %$#& is up with wipers???????
>
> I can't seem to find a set that ACTUALLY WORKS for mor than a month or
> two!
>
> I have tried almost every brand and they ALL SUCK.
>
> Streaks, smears, chattering, tearing, you name it.
>
> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
>
> What brand of wipers will WORK for more than a month or two on this car?
>
>
>
> --
>
> - Slim