"Ted B." <noway@nohow.not.ever> wrote in message
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> I read about a small BMW car that has
>> the speed odometer mounted in the center of the dashboard.
>>
>
> Is that bad? The driver's eyes should be on the road, not the
> speedometer. If you even have to look at the speedo, you're improperly
> trained to operate a vehicle anyway. -Dave
>
Without the speedometer precision navigation is not possible (even with
navi, failure to keep at the prescribed speed means predictions are out the
window). I can leave a work site 150 miles from my office and tell my boss
when I will arrive within ten minutes at worst, 5 minutes nominal, just by
keeping my speed at the posted limit. When my wife and I are on vacation,
she drives and I navigate. I tell her, "make your way into the right lane
around 10:55" and she knows how long she has to just keep her eyes on the
traffic around her and choose her lane without regard to where the next
interchange is, and when to shift to manuever mode. And there is never a
blip in our speed when passing a patrol car.

The driver's eyes are to scan the instruments and the mirrors periodically -
part of the Smith method of driving.

Mike

 

drivers eyes are never on the road 100% of the time. you have to watch
other things while driving (rear-view mirror for example).
"Ted B." <noway@nohow.not.ever> wrote in message
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I read about a small BMW car that has
> the speed odometer mounted in the center of the dashboard.
>

Is that bad? The driver's eyes should be on the road, not the speedometer.
If you even have to look at the speedo, you're improperly trained to operate
a vehicle anyway. -Dave

 

>>
>> Is that bad? The driver's eyes should be on the road, not the
>> speedometer.
>> If you even have to look at the speedo, you're improperly trained to
>> operate
>> a vehicle anyway. -Dave
>
> LOL--Making use of your logic--the engineers should mount the speedometer
> on the passenger side or not even install one.

Exactly. It shouldn't even be in the car. -Dave

 

>>
> Without the speedometer precision navigation is not possible (even with
> navi, failure to keep at the prescribed speed means predictions are out
> the window). I can leave a work site 150 miles from my office and tell my
> boss when I will arrive within ten minutes at worst, 5 minutes nominal,
> just by keeping my speed at the posted limit.

OK, but that has nothing to do with DRIVING. That is a navigational issue,
or maybe a time issue. Think of it this way . . . could you get back to
your office safely if your speedometer was broken? If so, then you see my
point. -Dave

 

Scion does the same.

Jeeps used to have center dash speedos too.

 

> Welcome to the Million mile club. I too am a driver (a professional
> driver) with over a million and a half miles in commercial vehicles with
> no collisions or incidents, I do this for a living and for personal
> reasons. That said, every professional driver knows that the key to safety
> is in the operation of the vehicle within the compliance of the rules of
> the road and road conditions. A speedometer is just one method to employ
> compliance.
>
> Brian

Again I will ask, if the speedometer was broken, could you not drive from
point A to point B safely? The speedometer has NO use during driving,
unless you ramble off onto a tangent about speed limits. What if all
speedometers were banned? Would you continue to drive safely for the next
million miles without it? Very Likely. I know I'd never miss it. -Dave

 

On Fri, 6 May 2005 08:27:02 -0400, "Ted B." <noway@nohow.not.ever>
wrote:

>> Of course flying an airliner is a long way from cruising the
>> interstate but it is goofy to suggest that cars shouldn't have
>> speedometers. It can be very difficult to judge your speed under some
>> conditions.
>>
>
>If you have to wonder, SLOW THE HELL DOWN!!! (sheesh, isn't that
>bvious?) -Dave
>

And what about the ability to navigate based on distance? You've
already lost the argument, why not cut your losses and try to
establish some small degree of credibility?

 

On Thu, 5 May 2005 22:53:34 -0700, "John" <welcomehowcome@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:jason-0505050933000001@pm4-broad-33.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
>> In article <427a13ee$0$19385$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreene ws.net>, "Ted
>> B." <noway@nohow.not.ever> wrote:
>>
>> > I read about a small BMW car that has
>> > > the speed odometer mounted in the center of the dashboard.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Is that bad? The driver's eyes should be on the road, not the
>speedometer.
>> > If you even have to look at the speedo, you're improperly trained to
>operate
>> > a vehicle anyway. -Dave
>>
>> LOL--Making use of your logic--the engineers should mount the speedometer
>> on the passenger side or not even install one.
>
>The only time I ever look at the speedometer is if I'm concerned about the
>speed limit (police officers nearby) or testing something on my machine.
>That's about it.
>
>A tach is much more useful to me than a speedometer but still shouldn't be
>looked at while driving unless tuning/fixing something.
>
>Of course, they are only there to convey information that you might need.


If your attention span is that limited, you have no business driving
at all.

You must be a sock puppet - I can't imagine two people coming up with
such idiotic advice independently.

 

On Fri, 6 May 2005 08:23:01 -0400, "Ted B." <noway@nohow.not.ever>
wrote:

>>>OK, but that has nothing to do with DRIVING. That is a navigational
>>>issue,
>>>or maybe a time issue. Think of it this way . . . could you get back to
>>>your office safely if your speedometer was broken? If so, then you see my
>>>point. -Dave
>>>
>>
>> I think you're digging yourself in even deeper the longer you continue
>> with this line.
>>
>>
>
>OK, then enlighten us. What does a speedometer have to do with *driving*?
>Now answer that question without referring to speed limits, speeding tickets
>or cops in any manner. Good luck. -Dave
>


Try navigating using directions involving mileage.

 

On Thu, 5 May 2005 23:20:41 -0700, "John" <welcomehowcome@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>"Professor" <briangriffey@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:1115255516.703427.190270@g14g2000cwa.googleg roups.com...
>> And just think... people change the springs to lower the car further...
>> LOL
>
>What's your point professor? Just because someone doesn't like the way their
>car sits, doesn't mean that everyone has to take that stance. I lower if
>it's too high, or higher if it's too low. I like balance and compromise as
>little as possible. I don't care about what intelligent people or what
>ricers think. I care about how I want my car to behave.


And you think that you know more about designing for proper handling
than the engineers who created the car?

Get real.

 

>>OK, then enlighten us. What does a speedometer have to do with *driving*?
>>Now answer that question without referring to speed limits, speeding
>>tickets
>>or cops in any manner. Good luck. -Dave
>>
>
>
> Try navigating using directions involving mileage.
>
>

Most people would use an odometer for that, or even a trip odometer. -Dave

 

"Bob Ward" <bobward@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 6 May 2005 13:25:46 -0400, "Ted B." <noway@nohow.not.ever>
> wrote:
>
> >>>OK, then enlighten us. What does a speedometer have to do with
*driving*?
> >>>Now answer that question without referring to speed limits, speeding
> >>>tickets
> >>>or cops in any manner. Good luck. -Dave
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Try navigating using directions involving mileage.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Most people would use an odometer for that, or even a trip
dometer. -Dave
> >
>
> And where does this astounding piece of equipment reside on the
> dashboard?
>


Oh Gee! Let me guess. Right next to the speedo. I guess Dave would have
to take his eyes off the road to check the odometer. I wonder if Dave sees
highway warning signs and informations signs. Not likely if his eyes are
glued to the road.
--
Bearman
If it's got tits, tires, tubes, or transistors, it's trouble.

 

On Fri, 6 May 2005 13:25:46 -0400, "Ted B." <noway@nohow.not.ever>
wrote:

>>>OK, then enlighten us. What does a speedometer have to do with *driving*?
>>>Now answer that question without referring to speed limits, speeding
>>>tickets
>>>or cops in any manner. Good luck. -Dave
>>>
>>
>>
>> Try navigating using directions involving mileage.
>>
>>
>
>Most people would use an odometer for that, or even a trip odometer. -Dave
>

And where does this astounding piece of equipment reside on the
dashboard?

 

In article <op7n71p9v29juk3leak9ui9mofgtoau191@4ax.com>, bobward@email.com
wrote:

> On Fri, 6 May 2005 08:23:01 -0400, "Ted B." <noway@nohow.not.ever>
> wrote:
>
> >>>OK, but that has nothing to do with DRIVING. That is a navigational
> >>>issue,
> >>>or maybe a time issue. Think of it this way . . . could you get back to
> >>>your office safely if your speedometer was broken? If so, then you see my
> >>>point. -Dave
> >>>
> >>
> >> I think you're digging yourself in even deeper the longer you continue
> >> with this line.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >OK, then enlighten us. What does a speedometer have to do with *driving*?
> >Now answer that question without referring to speed limits, speeding tickets
> >or cops in any manner. Good luck. -Dave
> >
>
>
> Try navigating using directions involving mileage.

I have some advice for the person that wrote that speedometers should not
be installed in cars.
I have a neighbor that checks her speedometer very often and has never
received a ticket for speeding. However, she has had 5 accidents because
she has a cell phone next to her ear every time have ever seen her driving
her car. I think that you should subscribe to a cell phone newsgroup and
let those people know that it's dangerous to drive while talking on a cell
phone. I should note that I check my speedometer on a regular basis and
have not ever had an accident that was my fault.

--
NEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO
We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice.
We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people.

 

"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> How may speeding tickets have you earned?

More on topic. One back in 1972 just after getting my licence (when a
speeding ticket cost $12.00) and one in 1974. None since that time I've been
obeying the law, my job requires my licence to be unblemished.

Brian

 

"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
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>
> "John" <welcomehowcome@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > You probably drive like an old woman. (I know, very stereotypical, but
> > it's
> > true. Most people who haven't had any accidents, drive like zombies and
if
> > are ever in a situation that requires reflex/skill will get into one).
>
> Now there's an asinine statement.

I agree, just couldn't hold myself against the pretentious assholes. A lot
of people fit that stereotype though... so I haven't completely pulled that
outta my ass.

 

"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
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>
> "John" <welcomehowcome@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > What the hell does that have to do with anything? I have my own
> > preferences.
> > Just because the engineers know more than I do doesn't mean they did it
to
> > my preference. I'm real. That's why I don't put my faith in other
people's
> > hands because many times what's good for them, is not good for me.
> >
> > You don't want your granny riding on a lowered rough rider now do you?
> > Grannys want it nice and soft, and smooth, and shakey so they don't
break
> > a
> > bone, etc. Get my point?
> >
> > I'm stronger than the average person and I can handle rougher but more
> > precise handling. I want my car to behave like I want it to. If it
> > doesn't,
> > there's a bigger chance that I'll get in an accident than if I was 10mph
> > over the speed limit 100% of the time.
> >
> > Remember that those laws are made by old grannies and granpas whose
> > overanalytical nature makes their reflexes go to shit. That's why they
> > need
> > all drivers to drive as slow as possible so when they're on the road
they
> > can "fit in" or else they might get confused by people passing them
> > constantly and get scared and do something stupid. That's what order is
> > all
> > about...
>
> You're certainly on a roll.

I am, aren't I?

 

"John" <welcomehowcome@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I agree, just couldn't hold myself against the pretentious assholes. A lot
> of people fit that stereotype though... so I haven't completely pulled
> that
> outta my ass.

Somedays there seems to be more of one than the other.

Brian

 

"John" <welcomehowcome@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I am, aren't I?

Let's hope you don't go over the edge {;^)

 

On Sat, 7 May 2005 16:21:44 -0700, "John" <welcomehowcome@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
>news:Tx0fe.69399$3V3.33180@edtnps89...
>>
>> "John" <welcomehowcome@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Y5GdnWIA1K4Y_eHfRVn-pA@comcast.com...
>> >
>> > What the hell does that have to do with anything? I have my own
>> > preferences.
>> > Just because the engineers know more than I do doesn't mean they did it
>to
>> > my preference. I'm real. That's why I don't put my faith in other
>people's
>> > hands because many times what's good for them, is not good for me.
>> >
>> > You don't want your granny riding on a lowered rough rider now do you?
>> > Grannys want it nice and soft, and smooth, and shakey so they don't
>break
>> > a
>> > bone, etc. Get my point?
>> >
>> > I'm stronger than the average person and I can handle rougher but more
>> > precise handling. I want my car to behave like I want it to. If it
>> > doesn't,
>> > there's a bigger chance that I'll get in an accident than if I was 10mph
>> > over the speed limit 100% of the time.
>> >
>> > Remember that those laws are made by old grannies and granpas whose
>> > overanalytical nature makes their reflexes go to shit. That's why they
>> > need
>> > all drivers to drive as slow as possible so when they're on the road
>they
>> > can "fit in" or else they might get confused by people passing them
>> > constantly and get scared and do something stupid. That's what order is
>> > all
>> > about...
>>
>> You're certainly on a roll.
>
>I am, aren't I?
>
Yeah, like a loose wheel, rolling downhill, bouncing more and more
erratically with every passing moment.