Hondarinos,

I was spending a pleasant afternoon at my folks' house installing my new
suspension kit and everything was going great, finished up the front and was
raising the rear when I hear a BOOM and glass cascading down!!! My car was
a bumper length sticking out of the garage and the hatch was up, the rear
wiper levered against the top of the garage and the rest was history. So
after the shock and the 36 syllable hybrid curse that left my mouth I had a
beer and finished up.

I want to order the glass and miscellanea and install it myself. I've
looked at the FSM and it looks pretty doable. Any gotchas with this? Is
the adhesive difficult to work with and easily obtainable? Are the suction
cups readily available and affordable? My insurance deductible is 500 and I
don't think I have a glass clause. After some of the stuff I've read and a
news report about shoddy workmanship, I'd rather try it myself. I love my
car and would rather keep it away from unloving hands unless I absolutely
need to. Thanks.

Marco

 

"MAT" <marcoat*RM_@SPAM_*hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BY6dnV1yP8Sv8z_fRVn-qw@comcast.com...
> Hondarinos,
>
> I was spending a pleasant afternoon at my folks' house installing my new
> suspension kit and everything was going great, finished up the front and
> was raising the rear when I hear a BOOM and glass cascading down!!! My
> car was a bumper length sticking out of the garage and the hatch was up,
> the rear wiper levered against the top of the garage and the rest was
> history. So after the shock and the 36 syllable hybrid curse that left my
> mouth I had a beer and finished up.
>
> I want to order the glass and miscellanea and install it myself. I've
> looked at the FSM and it looks pretty doable. Any gotchas with this? Is
> the adhesive difficult to work with and easily obtainable? Are the
> suction cups readily available and affordable? My insurance deductible is
> 500 and I don't think I have a glass clause. After some of the stuff I've
> read and a news report about shoddy workmanship, I'd rather try it myself.
> I love my car and would rather keep it away from unloving hands unless I
> absolutely need to. Thanks.
>
> Marco
>
I haven't done anything like that, and you may already know this warning...
the glass is tempered and needs to be protected from sudden temperature
changes or it will go BOOM before you even get it installed. You don't have
to baby it, but if it is very hot from being in the sun or in the closed car
and you bring it into a cool house or spray it with glass cleaner it might
take offense.

Mike

 

MAT wrote:

>
> I want to order the glass and miscellanea and install it myself. I've
> looked at the FSM and it looks pretty doable. Any gotchas with this? Is
> the adhesive difficult to work with and easily obtainable? Are the
> suction cups readily available and affordable? My insurance deductible
> is 500 and I don't think I have a glass clause. After some of the stuff
> I've read and a news report about shoddy workmanship, I'd rather try it
> myself. I love my car and would rather keep it away from unloving hands
> unless I absolutely need to. Thanks.
>

You can find an assortment of suction cups at http://tinyurl.com/bysuz.
However, keep in mind that you might be able to find a better price through
different sources such as http://www.etoolcart.com/.

Eric

 

MAT wrote:

> Hondarinos,
>
> I was spending a pleasant afternoon at my folks' house installing my new
> suspension kit and everything was going great, finished up the front and was
> raising the rear when I hear a BOOM and glass cascading down!!! My car was
> a bumper length sticking out of the garage and the hatch was up, the rear
> wiper levered against the top of the garage and the rest was history. So
> after the shock and the 36 syllable hybrid curse that left my mouth I had a
> beer and finished up.
>
> I want to order the glass and miscellanea and install it myself. I've
> looked at the FSM and it looks pretty doable. Any gotchas with this? Is
> the adhesive difficult to work with and easily obtainable? Are the suction
> cups readily available and affordable? My insurance deductible is 500 and I
> don't think I have a glass clause. After some of the stuff I've read and a
> news report about shoddy workmanship, I'd rather try it myself. I love my
> car and would rather keep it away from unloving hands unless I absolutely
> need to. Thanks.

Are you confidant about installing it without leaks? I'd get at least a
couple of quotes from auto glass places before trying this one.

YMMV, of course.

 

"MAT" <marcoat*RM_@SPAM_*hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BY6dnV1yP8Sv8z_fRVn-qw@comcast.com...
> Hondarinos,

I would go to a glass company and pay them to replace the glass. That way it
is covered by a warranty (if it leaks or breaks). It's far easier to do it
that way than to risk breaking the glass before you complete the DIY
installation, and there are no tools to purchase. Not to mention no cleanup.

Brian

 

MAT wrote:
> Hondarinos,
>
> I was spending a pleasant afternoon at my folks' house installing my new
> suspension kit and everything was going great, finished up the front and was
> raising the rear when I hear a BOOM and glass cascading down!!! My car was
> a bumper length sticking out of the garage and the hatch was up, the rear
> wiper levered against the top of the garage and the rest was history. So
> after the shock and the 36 syllable hybrid curse that left my mouth I had a
> beer and finished up.
>
> I want to order the glass and miscellanea and install it myself. I've
> looked at the FSM and it looks pretty doable. Any gotchas with this? Is
> the adhesive difficult to work with and easily obtainable? Are the suction
> cups readily available and affordable? My insurance deductible is 500 and I
> don't think I have a glass clause. After some of the stuff I've read and a
> news report about shoddy workmanship, I'd rather try it myself. I love my
> car and would rather keep it away from unloving hands unless I absolutely
> need to. Thanks.
>
> Marco
>
>
if this were an older car, the type with the fat rubber gasket holding
the glass in, it would be relatively easy to do it yourself. but in
this case, it's quite a tricky process. unless you have access to the
tools & adhesives necessary for this job, and the window sealant sold at
auto supply stores isn't up to it, then i suggest having the glass shop
do it. there's not much i won't do on a car myself, but certain jobs
are best left to those set up to do them properly. paint, alignment,
tires & [honda] glass are on that list.

 

Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote in news:42A2C0E6.E6648D7F@spam.now:

>
> You can find an assortment of suction cups at
> http://tinyurl.com/bysuz. However, keep in mind that you might be able
> to find a better price through different sources such as
> http://www.etoolcart.com/.
>
> Eric
>

Harbor Freight sells them for $5 USD,IIRC.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

 

On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 21:51:36 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

>"MAT" <marcoat*RM_@SPAM_*hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:BY6dnV1yP8Sv8z_fRVn-qw@comcast.com...
>> Hondarinos,
>>
>> I was spending a pleasant afternoon at my folks' house installing my new
>> suspension kit and everything was going great, finished up the front and
>> was raising the rear when I hear a BOOM and glass cascading down!!! My
>> car was a bumper length sticking out of the garage and the hatch was up,
>> the rear wiper levered against the top of the garage and the rest was
>> history. So after the shock and the 36 syllable hybrid curse that left my
>> mouth I had a beer and finished up.
>>
>> I want to order the glass and miscellanea and install it myself. I've
>> looked at the FSM and it looks pretty doable. Any gotchas with this? Is
>> the adhesive difficult to work with and easily obtainable? Are the
>> suction cups readily available and affordable? My insurance deductible is
>> 500 and I don't think I have a glass clause. After some of the stuff I've
>> read and a news report about shoddy workmanship, I'd rather try it myself.
>> I love my car and would rather keep it away from unloving hands unless I
>> absolutely need to. Thanks.
>>
>> Marco
>>
>I haven't done anything like that, and you may already know this warning...
>the glass is tempered and needs to be protected from sudden temperature
>changes or it will go BOOM before you even get it installed. You don't have
>to baby it, but if it is very hot from being in the sun or in the closed car
>and you bring it into a cool house or spray it with glass cleaner it might
>take offense.
>
>Mike

Mike,
You're describing how UNtempered glass would behave with sudden
changes in temperature. The tempering process makes the glass more
tolerant of sudden temperature changes, not less tolerant. Hence,
glassware used in labs is tempered. Tempering also makes the glass
break into small chunks, that don't have sharp edges, when it fails
under mechanical stress, and that's the main reason it's used in auto
windows -- so it doesn't turn into a bunch of razor-sharp blades in
accidents. Some local building codes require that first-floor
residential windows be made from tempered glass for the same reason.



Ron

 

Milleron wrote:
> accidents. Some local building codes require that first-floor
> residential windows be made from tempered glass for the same reason.

shower doors as well.

 

Now that I've slept on it, I've placed a claim with insurance and will
handle it that way. My comprehensive deductable is 250, not as bad as the
500 collision deductable. Thanks for the advise. What a bonehead move it
was that day. How utterly frustrating and embarassing more than anything!

 

> I wouldn't place a claim with insurance - it could come back to haunt
> you. How much over the $250 is the replacement going to cost?
>
> Two of the most common words found in insurance non-renewal notices -
> "claims frequency".
>
> You're better off paying minor things out of your pocket and only
> filing claims for the big things.

Yes I was worried about this and am of the frame of mind of keeping the
insurance out of it. I did some research and typically glass claims are
PERCEIVED to be OK and are not supposed to increase rates. Regarding the
claims frequency, in 13 years of driving, I have never filed an insurance
claim and am hoping that I will be OK with this one.

Just as a note, I made the calls this morning and everything was pretty
straighforward. As an afterthought, I wondered if the glass company I chose
would use OEM or aftermarket glass since I didn't specify. So I called just
now and the glass they ordered was not OEM, but PPG which I understand is
pretty decent. I inisisted on OEM glass and they called back and said no
problem, it will just be an extra 3 days to actually get the piece. I
decided to wait.

 

jmattis@attglobal.net wrote:
> Like my uncle once said, "Anybody who's never been caught never has
> done anything."

Those are words to remember!

 

Like my uncle once said, "Anybody who's never been caught never has
done anything."

 

MAT said
>
> Now that I've slept on it, I've placed a claim with insurance and will
> handle it that way. My comprehensive deductable is 250, not as bad as the
> 500 collision deductable. Thanks for the advise. What a bonehead move it
> was that day. How utterly frustrating and embarassing more than anything!

I wouldn't place a claim with insurance - it could come back to haunt
you. How much over the $250 is the replacement going to cost?

Two of the most common words found in insurance non-renewal notices -
"claims frequency".

You're better off paying minor things out of your pocket and only
filing claims for the big things.



Casey

 

MAT wrote:
>>I wouldn't place a claim with insurance - it could come back to haunt
>>you. How much over the $250 is the replacement going to cost?
>>
>>Two of the most common words found in insurance non-renewal notices -
>>"claims frequency".
>>
>>You're better off paying minor things out of your pocket and only
>>filing claims for the big things.
>
>
> Yes I was worried about this and am of the frame of mind of keeping the
> insurance out of it. I did some research and typically glass claims are
> PERCEIVED to be OK and are not supposed to increase rates. Regarding the
> claims frequency, in 13 years of driving, I have never filed an insurance
> claim and am hoping that I will be OK with this one.
>
> Just as a note, I made the calls this morning and everything was pretty
> straighforward. As an afterthought, I wondered if the glass company I chose
> would use OEM or aftermarket glass since I didn't specify. So I called just
> now and the glass they ordered was not OEM, but PPG which I understand is
> pretty decent. I inisisted on OEM glass and they called back and said no
> problem, it will just be an extra 3 days to actually get the piece. I
> decided to wait.
>
>
PPG is the supplier to a lot of OEMs.

 

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:40:08 -0400, "MAT"
<marcoat*RM_@SPAM_*hotmail.com> wrote:

>> I wouldn't place a claim with insurance - it could come back to haunt
>> you. How much over the $250 is the replacement going to cost?
>>
>> Two of the most common words found in insurance non-renewal notices -
>> "claims frequency".
>>
>> You're better off paying minor things out of your pocket and only
>> filing claims for the big things.
>
>Yes I was worried about this and am of the frame of mind of keeping the
>insurance out of it. I did some research and typically glass claims are
>PERCEIVED to be OK and are not supposed to increase rates. Regarding the
>claims frequency, in 13 years of driving, I have never filed an insurance
>claim and am hoping that I will be OK with this one.

Don't take that for granted. In TWENTY-ONE years, I'd never had a
single auto OR homeowners claim. Then, in 2003, I filed a claim for
damage to my home from a hail storm. A more classic "act of God" I
cannot imagine, but that claim placed my house into a "high-risk"
category making it impossible for the new owners to insure it through
ANY of the large competitive companies in 2004.
The insurance industry badly needs more regulation, and until it's
provided, I'd advise keeping my claims history as blank as possible.

>
snip
>

Ron

 

MAT said
> > I wouldn't place a claim with insurance - it could come back to haunt
> > you. How much over the $250 is the replacement going to cost?
> >
> > Two of the most common words found in insurance non-renewal notices -
> > "claims frequency".
> >
> > You're better off paying minor things out of your pocket and only
> > filing claims for the big things.
>
> Yes I was worried about this and am of the frame of mind of keeping the
> insurance out of it. I did some research and typically glass claims are
> PERCEIVED to be OK and are not supposed to increase rates. Regarding the
> claims frequency, in 13 years of driving, I have never filed an insurance
> claim and am hoping that I will be OK with this one.

Back years ago, I filed a glass breakage claim and another one because
someone keyed the side of my car. Then I proceeded to have a wreck,
and followed that up a year later with another one.

I got a non-renewal notice with "claims frequency" as the reason. I
had some long phone calls and ended up with the people that make those
decisions. Her first words were, you've had 4 claims in the last two
years.

Without the wrecks, I would have been fine. The problem is that if
something serious happens after the comprehensive claim, the small
claim may hurt you at some point.

The glass claim by itself shouldn't cause any problems at all.


Casey

 

"MAT" <marcoat*RM_@SPAM_*hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9I2dnaluxe4aBTnfRVn-jQ@comcast.com...
>> I wouldn't place a claim with insurance - it could come back to haunt
>> you. How much over the $250 is the replacement going to cost?
>>
>> Two of the most common words found in insurance non-renewal notices -
>> "claims frequency".
>>
>> You're better off paying minor things out of your pocket and only
>> filing claims for the big things.
>
> Yes I was worried about this and am of the frame of mind of keeping the
> insurance out of it. I did some research and typically glass claims are
> PERCEIVED to be OK and are not supposed to increase rates. Regarding the
> claims frequency, in 13 years of driving, I have never filed an insurance
> claim and am hoping that I will be OK with this one.
>
> Just as a note, I made the calls this morning and everything was pretty
> straighforward. As an afterthought, I wondered if the glass company I
> chose would use OEM or aftermarket glass since I didn't specify. So I
> called just now and the glass they ordered was not OEM, but PPG which I
> understand is pretty decent. I inisisted on OEM glass and they called
> back and said no problem, it will just be an extra 3 days to actually get
> the piece. I decided to wait.

FYI....PPG is the OEM supplier for American made Hondas. Your insurance
carrier may not pay the increased cost of ASAHI branded glass (the Japanese
mfg OEM glass supplier) as many insurance carriers try to manage their costs
with glass replacement. This will have absolutely no effect on your cost of
insurance either.

 

"Larry" <ziggy_calif@nospam_yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:CjFpe.1507$Z44.707@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com ...
> FYI....PPG is the OEM supplier for American made Hondas. Your insurance
> carrier may not pay the increased cost of ASAHI branded glass (the
> Japanese mfg OEM glass supplier) as many insurance carriers try to manage
> their costs with glass replacement. This will have absolutely no effect on
> your cost of insurance either.


Thanks for the info. My car, a 7th gen hatchback is sort of oddball when it
comes to non-mechanical parts, in the case of the glass, the rear was
Splintex and the sides and roof, Sekurit.