<dold@XReXXCanXa.usenet.us.com> wrote
> In order to recoup the premium, it needs lots of miles, but on the
highway,
> it might not be the best choice.

Yes, that's a good criterion.

If a person does not do so much highway driving, then the original poster's
point about buying a Hybrid used may be a good one. It's certainly worth
investigating.

I have no idea how the hybrids depreciate. I suppose the pricing features at
Edmunds.com would be as good a place as any to start. Or the original poster
has already checked.

 

MAT wrote:
>>I may replace the battery at ~100k miles, but that second battery will
>>likely not be replaced if it dies. This is my conundrum. Can the car run
>>from 150k miles to 200k miles with no big battery, just a little car with
>>a little motor?
>>
>
>
> Get the Jazz next year and be done with it. If I was to consider such a zany
> idea, I would get a motorcycle and take the bus when I couldn't ride.
>

i second that. im holding out for the jazz, even though my 98 CX is in
mint shape. i kinda like the scion xA, though, as well. size/space is a
major factor, since my garage is so small. had to buy JDM folding
mirrors to fit in there next to the motorcycle :)

 

Elle wrote:
> <dold@XReXXCanXa.usenet.us.com> wrote
>
>>In order to recoup the premium, it needs lots of miles, but on the
>
> highway,
>
>>it might not be the best choice.
>
>
> Yes, that's a good criterion.
>
> If a person does not do so much highway driving, then the original poster's
> point about buying a Hybrid used may be a good one. It's certainly worth
> investigating.
>
> I have no idea how the hybrids depreciate. I suppose the pricing features at
> Edmunds.com would be as good a place as any to start. Or the original poster
> has already checked.
>
>
no matter how ya cut it, its still not worth it compared to, say, a
nineties civic hatch.

 

<dold@XReXXCanXa.usenet.us.com> wrote in message
news:dak82r$6sq$2@blue.rahul.net...
> TWW <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote:
> > You have a point I agree with. We have a standard Civic LX (03) as a
third
> > car I drive on I 75 several times a week to work. Get right at 37-38
per
> > gallon of regular running 75 to 80. From what I understand the hybrid
Civic
> > does not do much better than that.
>
> 42mpg at 80mph with automatic and air, two passengers, in a Civic Hybrid.
>
> --
> ---
> Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5
>
Point made. Given the additional cost of the hybrid, you won't recoup the
difference in gas and tax savings.

 

> lack of folding mirrors is one of the things i hate the most about the
> north american 96-00 civics - if you've ever been clipped by someone's
> mirror while riding your bike, you'll know why. just can't understand
> how the law allows it here - folding mirrors are /required/ in most
> other markets.


Folding mirrors are about the first de-content item on the list, when
foreign manufacturers start building in U.S./Canada/Mexico. I think
the whole idea was to allow closer packing of imports on the cargo
ship. No cargo ship involved means no folding mirror is needed.

Still, it is desirable for other reasons. I can't imagine driving so
close to a bicycle that it is an issue. Surely you mean YOU clipped a
stationary car??

I think the Toyota Solara mirrors are funny: They're designed to look
like they fold. They don't.

 

jim beam wrote:
> lack of folding mirrors is one of the things i hate the most about the
> north american 96-00 civics - if you've ever been clipped by someone's
> mirror while riding your bike, you'll know why.

Boy am I glad I got a 94, then. I absolutely LOVE those folding mirrors.
Discourages the local schmuck-teenagers from screwing with my mirrors.

I wouldn't expect drivers to fold 'em in to protect bikers (bicyclists),
though, that's expecting too much. You just gotta be adept/conscious
enough to avoid the mirrors, Jim. ;-) I live in NYC, with its fair share
of narrow streets and insane drivers. Mirrors sticking out are just a
fact of life.

Abe

 

SoCalMike <mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote:

> no matter how ya cut it, its still not worth it compared to, say, a
> nineties civic hatch.

But I don't _want_ a 90's car. I want a 2003 or later.

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5

 

MAT wrote:
>>I wouldn't expect drivers to fold 'em in to protect bikers (bicyclists),
>>though, that's expecting too much. You just gotta be adept/conscious
>>enough to avoid the mirrors, Jim. ;-) I live in NYC, with its fair share
>>of narrow streets and insane drivers. Mirrors sticking out are just a fact
>>of life.
>
>
> I bet the gist is that if a car with folding mirrors drives by and tags you,
> you have a fighting chance if the mirror folds upon itself. With a fixed
> mirror you just plain get tagged and hope for the best.
>
>
or the other way around.

if i didnt have folding mirrors on my civic, ida likely taken off the
passenger side one unwillingly, while pulling into the garage.

as for the poster that wanted the JDM part number? the place where i
bought em mysteriously peeled the honda PN labels from the boxes. hmmmm.
i guess its because i likely got overcharged and could have bought the
mirrors online from a dealer for less than the $240 i paid for the pair.

so i went to the garage, and looked at the bottom mount for the drivers
side mirror... it says:

K94
E6 (in circle)
III
014757
02*4757
and some kanji symbols...

and its definately JDM, since the drivers side view is too close for the
car- obviously intended for a RHD application


googling doesnt come up with much

 

MAT wrote:
> I bet the gist is that if a car with folding mirrors drives by and tags you,
> you have a fighting chance if the mirror folds upon itself. With a fixed
> mirror you just plain get tagged and hope for the best.

That does make more sense, thanks.

 

>
> I wouldn't expect drivers to fold 'em in to protect bikers (bicyclists),
> though, that's expecting too much. You just gotta be adept/conscious
> enough to avoid the mirrors, Jim. ;-) I live in NYC, with its fair share
> of narrow streets and insane drivers. Mirrors sticking out are just a fact
> of life.

I bet the gist is that if a car with folding mirrors drives by and tags you,
you have a fighting chance if the mirror folds upon itself. With a fixed
mirror you just plain get tagged and hope for the best.

 

jmattis@attglobal.net wrote:
>>lack of folding mirrors is one of the things i hate the most about the
>>north american 96-00 civics - if you've ever been clipped by someone's
>>mirror while riding your bike, you'll know why. just can't understand
>>how the law allows it here - folding mirrors are /required/ in most
>>other markets.
>
>
>
> Folding mirrors are about the first de-content item on the list, when
> foreign manufacturers start building in U.S./Canada/Mexico. I think
> the whole idea was to allow closer packing of imports on the cargo
> ship. No cargo ship involved means no folding mirror is needed.
>
> Still, it is desirable for other reasons. I can't imagine driving so
> close to a bicycle that it is an issue. Surely you mean YOU clipped a
> stationary car??

unfortunately not. you'd be "surprised" how close some people drive to
bikes.

>
> I think the Toyota Solara mirrors are funny: They're designed to look
> like they fold. They don't.
>

 

Abeness wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>
>> lack of folding mirrors is one of the things i hate the most about the
>> north american 96-00 civics - if you've ever been clipped by someone's
>> mirror while riding your bike, you'll know why.
>
>
> Boy am I glad I got a 94, then. I absolutely LOVE those folding mirrors.
> Discourages the local schmuck-teenagers from screwing with my mirrors.
>
> I wouldn't expect drivers to fold 'em in to protect bikers (bicyclists),
> though, that's expecting too much. You just gotta be adept/conscious
> enough to avoid the mirrors, Jim.

stationary vehicles are not the problem [unless someone opens a
door...], it's the moving ones that are the issue. i can personally
attest to the fact that folding mirrors give way on impact and leave you
with a fighting chance of staying on the bike. fixed ones just smack
you too hard.

> ;-) I live in NYC, with its fair share
> of narrow streets and insane drivers. Mirrors sticking out are just a
> fact of life.
>
> Abe

 

TWW <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote:
> <dold@XReXXCanXa.usenet.us.com> wrote in message
>> TWW <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote:
>> > You have a point I agree with. We have a standard Civic LX (03) as a
>> > third car I drive on I 75 several times a week to work. Get right at
>> > 37-38 per gallon of regular running 75 to 80.

>> 42mpg at 80mph with automatic and air, two passengers, in a Civic Hybrid.

> Point made. Given the additional cost of the hybrid, you won't recoup the
> difference in gas and tax savings.

I've thought about this for a while, and wonder what a plot of MPG verses
MPH looks like for your Civic LX. Are you getting a measured 37-38 over
some period of time between fillups?

My 2003 Civic Hybrid CVT, for a distance of 60 miles or more:
42 MPG at 80MPH, San Jose to Sacramento, I-680/205/5
50 MPG at 70MPH, San Jose to Benicia, I-680
59 MPG at 60MPH, San Jose to Benicia, I-680
65 MPG at 50MPH, Lake County to Napa County, country road.

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5

 

SoCalMike wrote:
> MAT wrote:
>
>>> I wouldn't expect drivers to fold 'em in to protect bikers
>>> (bicyclists), though, that's expecting too much. You just gotta be
>>> adept/conscious enough to avoid the mirrors, Jim. ;-) I live in NYC,
>>> with its fair share of narrow streets and insane drivers. Mirrors
>>> sticking out are just a fact of life.
>>
>>
>>
>> I bet the gist is that if a car with folding mirrors drives by and
>> tags you, you have a fighting chance if the mirror folds upon itself.
>> With a fixed mirror you just plain get tagged and hope for the best.
>>
> or the other way around.
>
> if i didnt have folding mirrors on my civic, ida likely taken off the
> passenger side one unwillingly, while pulling into the garage.
>
> as for the poster that wanted the JDM part number? the place where i
> bought em mysteriously peeled the honda PN labels from the boxes. hmmmm.
> i guess its because i likely got overcharged and could have bought the
> mirrors online from a dealer for less than the $240 i paid for the pair.
>
> so i went to the garage, and looked at the bottom mount for the drivers
> side mirror... it says:
>
> K94
> E6 (in circle)
> III
> 014757
> 02*4757
> and some kanji symbols...
>
> and its definately JDM, since the drivers side view is too close for the
> car- obviously intended for a RHD application
>
>
> googling doesnt come up with much

hmm, thanks for that. what's the deal in canada tegger? do they have
the folding ones up there?

 

<jmattis@attglobal.net> wrote:

> It makes NO ECONOMIC SENSE to buy this car. It is for treehuggers.
> You will not recoup the extra cost by saving gas. If you a person who
> drives the wheels off a car because it is frugal, then just get a
> standard Civic.

At the rate the gas price is raising, it might actually save money in
the long run.

 

Bebop wrote:

> <jmattis@attglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> It makes NO ECONOMIC SENSE to buy this car. It is for treehuggers.
>> You will not recoup the extra cost by saving gas. If you a person who
>> drives the wheels off a car because it is frugal, then just get a
>> standard Civic.
>
> At the rate the gas price is raising, it might actually save money in
> the long run.

Only if you do A LOT of in-town driving. If you do more highway driving
than in-town, the increase in mpg over a non-hybrid is not that significant.

 

S.S. <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> Bebop wrote:
>
> > <jmattis@attglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> It makes NO ECONOMIC SENSE to buy this car. It is for treehuggers.
> >> You will not recoup the extra cost by saving gas. If you a person who
> >> drives the wheels off a car because it is frugal, then just get a
> >> standard Civic.
> >
> > At the rate the gas price is raising, it might actually save money in
> > the long run.
>
> Only if you do A LOT of in-town driving. If you do more highway driving
> than in-town, the increase in mpg over a non-hybrid is not that significant.

I know. My civic gets 43 mpg (hwy) and the hybrid gets 46.

It does make economic sense for some people. And there is tax
incentive, but it will end soon.

 

jim beam wrote:
>> Folding mirrors are about the first de-content item on the list, when
>> foreign manufacturers start building in U.S./Canada/Mexico. I think
>> the whole idea was to allow closer packing of imports on the cargo
>> ship. No cargo ship involved means no folding mirror is needed.
>>
>> Still, it is desirable for other reasons. I can't imagine driving so
>> close to a bicycle that it is an issue. Surely you mean YOU clipped a
>> stationary car??
>
>
> unfortunately not. you'd be "surprised" how close some people drive to
> bikes.

Yikes! Guess I've been lucky. Well, the basic rule in NYC is that you
can do anything on the road as long as you don't hit anyone else. Crazy
drivers we may be, but in general we're pretty good, I think. I have a
hard time saying that about cabbies, truth to tell... they're way crazy,
and it ain't always balanced with skill as in my case. ;-))

 

jim beam wrote:
> stationary vehicles are not the problem [unless someone opens a
> door...], it's the moving ones that are the issue. i can personally
> attest to the fact that folding mirrors give way on impact and leave you
> with a fighting chance of staying on the bike. fixed ones just smack
> you too hard.

Point taken--with horror!