Ticking at idle
#1
Ticking at idle
I noticed a ticking when my Fit is idling and since I have never heard another Fit running I'm not sure if it's normal or not.
It doesn't doesn't like an injector but it sure sounds like valve clearance.
The car only has 3800 miles but maybe its time to adjust the valves?
Anyone else notice and "ticking".
It doesn't doesn't like an injector but it sure sounds like valve clearance.
The car only has 3800 miles but maybe its time to adjust the valves?
Anyone else notice and "ticking".
#3
It's completely normal to hear the valves ticking. On colder days, it will be slightly louder. The maintenance book states that one of the routine services to be performed (if necessary at the time of service) is a valve adjustment. Mine started ticking when idling too just a few hundred miles ago. Kind of strange to me to have a new car need a valve adjustment already. I'm not too worried about it though because again, it's in the manual. It's one more thing that can charge us for when we bring it in for a simple oil change and tire rotation
#7
this is why you have your valve lash adjusted every 30k
give you guys and gals an idea of what im talking about go to this link and look at the pics...the inside of the head of the fit looks almost identical
http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1305086
the set screw in the middle of the end of the rocker arm is how they adjust valve lash....the screw going through the rocker arm is what actually pushes down the valve...as this screw basicly slams into the top of the valve stem the clearance grows from the metal being impacted...that ticking you hear is the screw hitting the top of the valve stem....since this is something that is clearanced by hand some cars will tick louder then others from the factory...nothing to worry about unless it gets really loud then you have probably mushroomed out the top of the valve stem...
looks like i should do a write up on here about how to set your valve lash on the fit as its extremely easy and the dealership charges a fortune...
fyi if the ticking really bothers you can go to a 5w30 oil...it will quite the valves down a bit
Last edited by artieman; 01-23-2009 at 11:50 PM.
#10
at the shop i worked at we had a stethoscope just so we could hear them open and close and compare to see if one was sticking...
the ticking you hear is either the valves, rockers, or lost motion assemblies
#11
artie, it's not necessarily the "opening and closing" of the injectors, but the electronic pulse. I know what he is talking about and yes, it's the valves. Just wanted to correct you (non-harshly) on the injector sound thing
#12
thats like saying you can hear the coil on a speaker charge before the cone or diaphragm move
fyi dc current doesnt make any resonance you can hear...ac does make noise you can hear but only above subsonic frequency's
Last edited by artieman; 01-24-2009 at 02:43 AM.
#14
mine used to click, not a pretty sound... I had them replaced...
and yeah, for the sound in the engine, I'm sure it's the rockers, mine have always made the noise, it's normal when I have the hood propped up.
#16
ya 5w20 synthetic is to thin...i wouldnt run any less then 5w30 or 10w30 if running synthetic....the heavier oil has better shear protection and will quite down those noisy valves
#18
ask anyone who is a mechanic for a living if you can hear the injectors open and close...
at the shop i worked at we had a stethoscope just so we could hear them open and close and compare to see if one was sticking...
the ticking you hear is either the valves, rockers, or lost motion assemblies
at the shop i worked at we had a stethoscope just so we could hear them open and close and compare to see if one was sticking...
the ticking you hear is either the valves, rockers, or lost motion assemblies
Now that I think about it, mine's been ticking pretty good lately too, at 7100 miles. I just pass it off as the cold outside.
#19
I suppose this could be it, I didn't notice it until recently and I just changed to Mobil1 0W30 full synthetic about 500 miles ago.
#20
I wonder if the oil film thickness on the cam has something to do with this. The less viscous oils (5w20 etc) will leave a thinner layer when squeezed under the lifter but will still have a good enough film to prevent damage, making the rocker clearance wider and noise louder when cold (when the metals haven't expanded yet). More viscous oil will have a much thicker film before the oil thins out with temperature.
As for the rocker adjustment... man that's hard to believe it's out already. I know my civic needed adjustment every couple years but that had solid lifters. The last roller rocker Honda I took apart was a K24 that had 143,000 miles on the clock, and with them never adjusted, were at perfect factory spec. I couldn't hardly believe it. (The ticking in that case was use of Champion spark plugs; NGK cured it.)
Now to throw a wrench in it... that old civic of mine had loud LMA ticking anytime I ran conventional oil, be it 5w30, 10w30, 10w40 once even, and it ticked on valvoline synth 10w30 too. That noise was GONE when I put in mobil1 10w30. Figure that out...
As for the rocker adjustment... man that's hard to believe it's out already. I know my civic needed adjustment every couple years but that had solid lifters. The last roller rocker Honda I took apart was a K24 that had 143,000 miles on the clock, and with them never adjusted, were at perfect factory spec. I couldn't hardly believe it. (The ticking in that case was use of Champion spark plugs; NGK cured it.)
Now to throw a wrench in it... that old civic of mine had loud LMA ticking anytime I ran conventional oil, be it 5w30, 10w30, 10w40 once even, and it ticked on valvoline synth 10w30 too. That noise was GONE when I put in mobil1 10w30. Figure that out...