Different Engine Ideas for the Fit
#1
01-18-2013, 12:33 AM
Different Engine Ideas for the Fit
Hey all!
In the past I've gotten some heat for the CRAZY notion of putting any other engine into the Fit besides a K20 or B series engine. Namely, an engine from a FF Audi TT. (it's near the same size as the K20.)
That being said, I have another said crazy idea. I was thinking the other day of the new SkyActive motors from Mazda, and the 500 Abarth's engine. They both use a new type of variable valve timing (or, new to the company at least.) similar to the V-tec system. It lets air in and out of the valves at different times to increase economy or power.
Not saying that those similarities are enough to do a complete swap right away, but I was thinking of putting the Abarth engine into a Fit and how that would work.
If any of you have though of this as well, or know someone who is attempting said swap, please let me know!
In the past I've gotten some heat for the CRAZY notion of putting any other engine into the Fit besides a K20 or B series engine. Namely, an engine from a FF Audi TT. (it's near the same size as the K20.)
That being said, I have another said crazy idea. I was thinking the other day of the new SkyActive motors from Mazda, and the 500 Abarth's engine. They both use a new type of variable valve timing (or, new to the company at least.) similar to the V-tec system. It lets air in and out of the valves at different times to increase economy or power.
Not saying that those similarities are enough to do a complete swap right away, but I was thinking of putting the Abarth engine into a Fit and how that would work.
If any of you have though of this as well, or know someone who is attempting said swap, please let me know!
#4
01-18-2013, 02:21 AM
No one is attempting any of those.
No one will attempt any of those.
They have no merit. The K, even in its relatively old age, is still the best option. HUGE aftermarket, HUGE power potential, cheaper every day, already been done, etc.
Oh yeah and even in stock form, a K-powered Fit would likely walk a Fit with those alternative powerplants, all while delivering superior MPG and driving fun.
No one will attempt any of those.
They have no merit. The K, even in its relatively old age, is still the best option. HUGE aftermarket, HUGE power potential, cheaper every day, already been done, etc.
Oh yeah and even in stock form, a K-powered Fit would likely walk a Fit with those alternative powerplants, all while delivering superior MPG and driving fun.
#7
01-18-2013, 10:31 AM
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#8
01-18-2013, 12:54 PM
Ah man....
Well as long as were wishing, why not a Hayabusa based 400hp 10k+rpm V8 swap?
SPECIFICATIONS PAGE ...
Well as long as were wishing, why not a Hayabusa based 400hp 10k+rpm V8 swap?
SPECIFICATIONS PAGE ...
#10
01-18-2013, 01:28 PM
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Yea the Hartley Busa 8's are wild, but expensive and when boosted put out an incredible amount of power.. you'll spend a small fortune on a clutch that can handle that torque and shift at those speeds without dragging lol
#11
01-18-2013, 02:31 PM
Honestly, at the 30-40k$ investment in the engine, I HIGHLY doubt an H1 would be put into a Fit EVER.
I would have thought the Busa based 4cyl H2 MAYBE (4-5K? cant remember) but on further review of the page, looks like he sold the engine tech as of 3/12 D: "The new owner will further develop the technology for race applications and plans to offer it to other markets later this year."
#12
01-18-2013, 02:36 PM
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The first gens are getting cheap enough that the serious sorts of projects are starting to become more reasonable.
When we are at the point a rolling shell can be had for a couple grand.. or even available as just a shell with regularity is when shits gonna get real interesting.
When we are at the point a rolling shell can be had for a couple grand.. or even available as just a shell with regularity is when shits gonna get real interesting.
#13
01-18-2013, 03:07 PM
The first gens are getting cheap enough that the serious sorts of projects are starting to become more reasonable.
When we are at the point a rolling shell can be had for a couple grand.. or even available as just a shell with regularity is when shits gonna get real interesting.
When we are at the point a rolling shell can be had for a couple grand.. or even available as just a shell with regularity is when shits gonna get real interesting.
I would really really love to see a few more seriously built fits period. I honestly don't care what's motivating them!
#14
01-18-2013, 04:13 PM
I have toyed with going all out with mine since I own it already. But will probably keep it milder for now. The hard part with the first gen is by the time the chassis is cheap it will be hell to find parts for it. They just didn't seem to bring that many to the states.
#15
01-18-2013, 04:17 PM
Cross platfor Engine swaps can be pretty badass. The thing about a swap like that though is you are going against the norm. In the Fits situation the K series engine is a very capable engine with an amazing aftermarket. There is no logicel reason to swap a B or D into the car. A J swap.... that would be pretty badass.
A engine from another manufacture is not impossible but you are on your pretty much on your own. Ditting on a forum talking about it will not get it in your engine bay and running. You need to dive into it and start the long road of trial and error.
A engine from another manufacture is not impossible but you are on your pretty much on your own. Ditting on a forum talking about it will not get it in your engine bay and running. You need to dive into it and start the long road of trial and error.
#16
01-18-2013, 04:18 PM
No one is attempting any of those.
No one will attempt any of those.
They have no merit. The K, even in its relatively old age, is still the best option. HUGE aftermarket, HUGE power potential, cheaper every day, already been done, etc.
Oh yeah and even in stock form, a K-powered Fit would likely walk a Fit with those alternative powerplants, all while delivering superior MPG and driving fun.
No one will attempt any of those.
They have no merit. The K, even in its relatively old age, is still the best option. HUGE aftermarket, HUGE power potential, cheaper every day, already been done, etc.
Oh yeah and even in stock form, a K-powered Fit would likely walk a Fit with those alternative powerplants, all while delivering superior MPG and driving fun.
"No one will attempt any of those." I will, you lose.
"They have no Merit" Why not? It's an engine, the Fit is a car...what makes it so that these engines absolutely CAN NOT work with a Fit, or any other car.
The reason I say that is because Noble managed to put a V8 from a Volvo SUV into their M600 supercar, and it ran train on cars like a Superleggera, f430, Porsche 911 Turbo and so on.
So, if Noble can put that wonky ass engine and make it into a super car, I see no reason why I can't put a 1.4L turboed Abarth Engine into a space where a 1.5L engine should be.
#17
01-18-2013, 04:19 PM
Agreed, the 1.8L was the most commonly repaired engine in the Audi dealership I work in. The 2.0L engine, however, never graced the doors of the garage.
#18
01-18-2013, 04:21 PM
Cross platfor Engine swaps can be pretty badass. The thing about a swap like that though is you are going against the norm. In the Fits situation the K series engine is a very capable engine with an amazing aftermarket. There is no logicel reason to swap a B or D into the car. A J swap.... that would be pretty badass.
A engine from another manufacture is not impossible but you are on your pretty much on your own. Ditting on a forum talking about it will not get it in your engine bay and running. You need to dive into it and start the long road of trial and error.
A engine from another manufacture is not impossible but you are on your pretty much on your own. Ditting on a forum talking about it will not get it in your engine bay and running. You need to dive into it and start the long road of trial and error.
Yes, I know that the forum is no place to start.
What I hoped to accomplish with this discussion is to open up new ideas for an engine into a Fit. I'm tired of the tried and true, and I wanna get crazy.
#19
01-18-2013, 04:23 PM
Like I said, since were wishing
Honestly, at the 30-40k$ investment in the engine, I HIGHLY doubt an H1 would be put into a Fit EVER.
I would have thought the Busa based 4cyl H2 MAYBE (4-5K? cant remember) but on further review of the page, looks like he sold the engine tech as of 3/12 D: "The new owner will further develop the technology for race applications and plans to offer it to other markets later this year."
Honestly, at the 30-40k$ investment in the engine, I HIGHLY doubt an H1 would be put into a Fit EVER.
I would have thought the Busa based 4cyl H2 MAYBE (4-5K? cant remember) but on further review of the page, looks like he sold the engine tech as of 3/12 D: "The new owner will further develop the technology for race applications and plans to offer it to other markets later this year."
Quite honestly, if a Hayabusa engine can be put into a Smart Car and make is beat an F430 in a drag race, anything is possible. hahahah
#20
01-18-2013, 04:25 PM
The first gens are getting cheap enough that the serious sorts of projects are starting to become more reasonable.
When we are at the point a rolling shell can be had for a couple grand.. or even available as just a shell with regularity is when shits gonna get real interesting.
When we are at the point a rolling shell can be had for a couple grand.. or even available as just a shell with regularity is when shits gonna get real interesting.