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Old May 31, 2009 | 02:42 PM
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eibach pro kit and alignment trouble

just got my 2009 fit and had eibach pro kit springs installed. seems to drive and handle much better. took it to get it aligned and tech is telling me he can only align the front end. he told me i needed special shims for the back and he could not find them from specialty or north star. does this sound familiar? i find it hard to believe eibach would make a kit specifically for the 2009 and one cannot get the back aligned normally. the car seems to ride normal, but don't want to buy new tires every 10,000 miles. thxs-grabos


2009 fit sport black
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k&n stock filter replacement
mugen short shifter and knob
honda accorrd horn upgrade
philips crystal vision head and fog lights
 

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Old May 31, 2009 | 03:23 PM
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Not sure what he would be talking about, camber is static in the rear on the fit since it uses a trailing arm.
 
Old May 31, 2009 | 03:23 PM
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u cannot adjust toe or camber on the rears with out shims on both gd n ge fit its the way the suspension is. anytime u lower your car u throw it out of alignment regardless of the manufacturer of the springs. im on CUT eibachs sportlines and my alignment is of only 1 degree in the back. get a good set of tires and rotate regularly or get hub shims
 
Old May 31, 2009 | 05:31 PM
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will do thanks for the help. -g
 
Old May 31, 2009 | 10:42 PM
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I know that it does not have anything to do with the manufactuer of the springs, but the Eibach prokit springs are one of the most conservative springs in the way of drop for the GE8 currently. I would assume that an increased or more aggressive drop would lead to a more alignment issues. Is it possible that the OP did something in the installment process to add to the misalignment? Sorry for my ignorance, just very curious.
 
Old Jun 1, 2009 | 12:45 AM
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i got the pro kit and had it aligned with no problems. no mention of shims or anything. the car was perfect. only had to adjust the front toe. camber was perfect.
 
Old Mar 25, 2010 | 04:52 PM
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Did you happen to keep a copy of the alignment settings before and after the toe was set? I'm wondering how far off the front toe is with the Eibach pro kit since it is only about a 1" drop.

Would be great to know if it is still within specs, or how far out in your case.
 
Old Mar 26, 2010 | 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by grabos72
just got my 2009 fit and had eibach pro kit springs installed. seems to drive and handle much better. took it to get it aligned and tech is telling me he can only align the front end. he told me i needed special shims for the back and he could not find them from specialty or north star. does this sound familiar? i find it hard to believe eibach would make a kit specifically for the 2009 and one cannot get the back aligned normally. the car seems to ride normal, but don't want to buy new tires every 10,000 miles. thxs-grabos


2009 fit sport black
eibach pro kit
k&n stock filter replacement
mugen short shifter and knob
honda accorrd horn upgrade
philips crystal vision head and fog lights
The GDs use shims, the GEs have a solid axle. 1 degree is extreme, IMO; at .23 degrees I wear rear tires strangely if I don't rotate every couple thousand miles. Your tire wear will be drastically accelerated. A competent body shop may be able to adjust the axle but the only fix is either bend or replace. I hate it, but I'm not enamored with Honda's penchant for non-adjustable rear suspensions.

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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by rhyneba
The GDs use shims, the GEs have a solid axle.
Both cars use the exact same rear torsion beam design. Both need shims in the rear if you want to adjust toe and/or camber.

edit: I'm wrong!

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1 degree is extreme, IMO; at .23 degrees I wear rear tires strangely if I don't rotate every couple thousand miles. Your tire wear will be drastically accelerated.
Yeah, 1 degree of toe will tear up a tire in short order - factory spec is with .20 degrees on the rear of a GD. Not 100% that it's the same on a GE, but I imagine it's comparable.

Look for shims by SPC if you're interested in changing toe/camber. Either that, or a little math and a decent amount of money to someone you trust to mill shims in very exact thicknesses.
 

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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 12:50 AM
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The GE's are set up just a tad differently in the rear so that's why you can't align it - you can't shim or do the "washer trick" to the rear of the GE because the spindle and axle is all one piece, it cannot be unbolted like the GD's. Why honda did this is beyond me - so i've just rolled the crap out of my fender.

Buy the whole Noblesse rear end, and you'll have nice demon camber.
 
Old Mar 26, 2010 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 90 DGRZ
The GE's are set up just a tad differently in the rear so that's why you can't align it - you can't shim or do the "washer trick" to the rear of the GE because the spindle and axle is all one piece, it cannot be unbolted like the GD's.
Oops - you're right. Yikes, I didn't know that, thanks for the correction.

Cheaper for Honda to cast one part vs. two, I guess, and aftermarket be damned.
 
Old Mar 27, 2010 | 05:59 AM
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Cheaper for Honda to cast one part vs. two, I guess, and aftermarket be damned.

Yea, only makes sense i guess. i too figured it was all the same...why in the world would they change it up drastically from the GD right? .....i was so heartbroken when the last thing that i was able to unbolt was the back half of the drum
 
Old Mar 30, 2010 | 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by rhyneba
The GDs use shims, the GEs have a solid axle. 1 degree is extreme, IMO; at .23 degrees I wear rear tires strangely if I don't rotate every couple thousand miles. Your tire wear will be drastically accelerated. A competent body shop may be able to adjust the axle but the only fix is either bend or replace. I hate it, but I'm not enamored with Honda's penchant for non-adjustable rear suspensions.

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Camber doesn't wear out tires faster, toe does. I ran many of my cars with -1* camber over spec and never had wear problems.
 

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