How is Ford going to take a car that sells for $26 k in Europe, where it's made, and sell the same, equally equiped car here for $15 k plus a bit? If they do it great, but doesn't seem possible. I like ford for not caving in to the gov't wackos, and remaining independent, but their history of maintaning quality is not so hot. My Mustangs were a good example of that. A blast to drive with their potent V-8's, but quality lacking.

 

I have to say I total agree with Shockwave 199 with the 7-10 years of a Ford. I have a 2003 Windstar with 71k and it is falling apart. And not from a mainteince stand point, it is the Cheaper materials and limited life design that will keep me away from Mr. Ford's products.
Look around you in traffic H's everywhere even after they have been (modded out) they are still running. The big 3: 2 fat 2 long and if they don't get a long lasting product on the market there gone. How can a company build a car half way around the world deliver it to the U.S, then there's dealer mark up and it still beats the devil out of the american cars? Not only purchase price but up keep and gas milage too.
Do I want to buy Japanees? No, if this question would have come up 5 years ago "no way we only support the american auto industry". But I can't say that now; I will not spend our income on an inferior car. and that's sad.
2018 I wonder if I will still be in MizFit? I know MizWindstar will be razor blades
And if the Feista gets Honda to turbocharge the Fit up to about 210+ whp.............. I'm in.

 

Jazz vs Fiesta vs Swift | topCar

 

Good find! Thanks!

 

That's some GE6 love right there in that writeup

 

After seeing one in person and being told it will probably offer turbo as option, I'm thinking this is more of a mini cooper killer.

 

i like everything except the chrome bumper inserts that hold the LED light strip. ...and really, light strips? this is no audi. i'd rather have functional fog lamps in black housing. i still think it's going to be a hit, though...especially since it'll net 40 MPG and is supposedly going to have a sportier ride than the FiT. overall, i think it's a very exciting time for the new domestics. ford is getting better everyday and proving it. even chevy is coming out w/ the very promising cruze.

 

Looks good on paper. 30/40 mpg, dual clutch auto trans, 1.6L DOHC, 119 hp. We'll see how it works out in real life.

 

the fit is still better

 

the four door reminds me of a yaris...the hatch looks good. but ill get the mazda2 instead if i had the choice. but the ford has 1.6 liter and DOHC and only 119hp? ours is 1.5 and SOHC and we make 117...i thought they would at least hit 125hp.

 

i was thinking the same thing.. now wut if honda offerd a 1.6 DOHC for the fit it would make alot more power then there 1.6 DOHC

 

I just don't see how Ford can squeeze 30/40mpg from a conventional gasoline rig. I'm very impressed, and very impressed they put a DSG in as well. Something Honda still doesn't have in their line-up, and I wonder why...

 

I'm sorry but there is no way the U.S spec is even going to be close to the euro spec.
This is all my opinion/theory but I have a feeling all this excitement for the Fiesta is going to be a flop when its actually released here in the U.S. For example number one....
I believe Ford is going to water down the Euro version soooo much. They have to there is no plausible way they can deliver the Fiesta Euro spec for close to the same price as the Fit (esp. w/ the DSG). I am calling it now the Fiesta will be a nice basic car just like the Focus. Will it beat the Fit in road test/fit & finish I highly doubt it (only if its priced way higher it might).
My second example....
My dad works for a parts company that supplies Dodge, Jeep, Honda, Toyota and even Mitsubishi. They make the speedometers for the manufacturers mentioned above. They're parent company (Located in Japan) has facilities in Mexico and of course in the U.S.. With the economic down turn recently the parent company was moving a lot of jobs (including my dads) down to Mexico for cheaper labor. They gave them 4 months to see how it would go down in Mexico. To make a long story short the build quality was horrible compared to the U.S. quality. Final inspection %'s failure was through the roof and now my dad is now working OT and they are hiring more people here and bring all the work back to the U.S. because now they need to make up all that wasted time down there. I'm not saying all products made in Mexico are horrible (Ford Fusion for example) but with the Fiesta being built at Ford’s plant in Cuautitlan Izcalli, Mexico I am not holding my breathe.

 

Are you talking about 30-40 mpg in the U.S. gallon or the imperial gallon? The imperial gallon which is used in U.K (km/L) is about 20% larger than the U.S. gallon.

Also, Honda does have DSG check the Insight and civic hybrid. Unless Ford wants to price the Fiesta closer to the Insight and Civic Hybrid the Fiesta will not see the DSG in the U.S.

 

commit, can you cite any sources to back up any of those statements you've written?

as for the MPG that ford has assigned to the fiesta, i'll wait until i see the official fueleconomy.gov mileage. i certainly don't doubt that it can be done, though.

like it or not, ford IS making quality cars these days and reviewers and customers are proof of that.

i love, love, love my GE but i also love seeing other manufacturer's, especially domestics improving their cars in all aspects. after all, competition is what gave us remarkable vehicles like the FiT. had i the choice of buying a fiesta when i was car shopping, it would be a VERY strong candidate but i do like the styling and storage ability of the FiT more.

oh yeah, you can build your own fiesta, now.

 

A few thoughts on this:

1: the new Fords are designed by Mazda. Ford has owned a controlling stake on Mazda for years, and finally started to fully exploit them for their cars.

2: The Euro market is different. The Fit is aimed at the Scion demographic here. In Europe, well, it's picked up the nickname "pensioner's chariot"

YouTube - Honda Jazz commercial funny

the jazz is seen as a very boring, very sensible little shuttle for old folks headed to the bowling green. The steering and overall experience are often noted as being numb and unengaging compared to hot hatches such as the Fiesta that have received near-universal praise.

If Ford can keep the fun present (or even if Ford fails, the Mazda2 is enroute as well, and Mazda should be able to give it the Zoomzoom treatment. Turboed MazdaSpeed 2 anyone?)

3: in the UK, the Fiesta ranges from about £11,500-16,000. The Jazz ranges from 10,200 to 15,000 or so. If these ranges stay comparable, I'd expect $16-21k. Note too that the top trim Fiesta has niceties like leather seats, auto climate control, power folding mirrors, etc.

 

wow.. the things that were said by edmunds was kinda offensive.. i thought reviewers and critics are supposed to be fair both ways.

either way, i kinda like that they are pushing for Ford's marketing, Honda needs some competition to keep them on their feet.

 

Wow. 30 city, 40 highway. US gallons.

Honda uses CVT in its hybrids. MUCH different than a dual clutch automatic.

Here are 3 links for you.
2011 Ford Fiesta priced from $13,320, special deal for reserving early — Autoblog Green

HowStuffWorks "How Dual-clutch Transmissions Work"

HowStuffWorks "How CVTs Work"

The US Fiesta is getting the DSG. Basic Internet research is not hard.

Would anyone like to seriously discuss the pros/cons of the Fiesta without getting butt hurt?

To be honest, I would probably enjoy a Fiesta. The only thing that would keep me from buying one is questionable reliability compared to Hondas and worse resale value.

 

The Euro Jazz comes with either a 1.2 liter (89 bhp) or 1.4 liter (99 bhp). It is pretty weak, but like you said the market is different there so the cars are different.

The pricing is already out on the Fiesta. Check Ford's web site. $13.5k - $21k.

 

i built an SES hatch w/ the A300 package. it was a hair over 18k so the pricing is pretty competitive w/ the FiT.

...and it looks damn good.



...and i agree, i'd love to have a discussion about other makes/models in here w/o the fanboy mentality of honda FiT>everything else.