Broke! need help with a DIY
#1
Broke! need help with a DIY
Hello,
I recently had to drop $1100 to replace ignition coils, plugs, and a MAF sensor on my 09....car stalled and I couldnt get it home for diagnosis so I have to bnd over and take it from a dealership. Boy they took!
this was money I has saving for shock replacements and to replace the water pump and belt tensioner.
Can I replace a water pump and tensioner myself? If so I would like to request advice and help from anyone who can help. Dealership makeup is ridiculous on parts and even when I tell them about Bernardi's prices they sit there saying they cant get the parts at those prices (wtf!!)
what special tools would I need (if any) and besides the parts, are there any other parts I should replace as part of this project?
Thanks in advance for your help
I recently had to drop $1100 to replace ignition coils, plugs, and a MAF sensor on my 09....car stalled and I couldnt get it home for diagnosis so I have to bnd over and take it from a dealership. Boy they took!
this was money I has saving for shock replacements and to replace the water pump and belt tensioner.
Can I replace a water pump and tensioner myself? If so I would like to request advice and help from anyone who can help. Dealership makeup is ridiculous on parts and even when I tell them about Bernardi's prices they sit there saying they cant get the parts at those prices (wtf!!)
what special tools would I need (if any) and besides the parts, are there any other parts I should replace as part of this project?
Thanks in advance for your help
#4
$1100 seems awfully high...you should have done the maf, coils, and plugs by yourself...they are as simple as it gets. The pump and tensioner IMO are better left to the pros.
It's sad say but the days of a $50 repair are looooong gone. So when we as customers walk into a 45000 square foot dealership it's best we all realize that they afforded that complex with high high high profits....sorry for the short rant!
It's sad say but the days of a $50 repair are looooong gone. So when we as customers walk into a 45000 square foot dealership it's best we all realize that they afforded that complex with high high high profits....sorry for the short rant!
#5
I have 63.6k miles so I'm out of warranty, and used my goodwill warranty back at 40k when the fan blower went out.
I wish I could have done it myself...parts from bernardi would have come out to 500 while the dealership charged 660, labor was 400....
thats if I couldnt avoid the whole thing by just cleaning the MAF sensor. unfortunately my car had stalled on the highway and was stuck in a truck stop. Towing home from there would have killed whatever savings I could have had doing it myself.
Also I couldnt wait the days it would take to ship the parts.
The tensioner and water does seem straightforward . Only thing I would have to get is a proper torque wrench and be willing to spend time to make sure everything is proper. I can order the parts and have them on hand for when I feel like doing the repair.
malraux thanks for the info. what signs should I look for to know they are failing without then failing on me?
I wish I could have done it myself...parts from bernardi would have come out to 500 while the dealership charged 660, labor was 400....
thats if I couldnt avoid the whole thing by just cleaning the MAF sensor. unfortunately my car had stalled on the highway and was stuck in a truck stop. Towing home from there would have killed whatever savings I could have had doing it myself.
Also I couldnt wait the days it would take to ship the parts.
The tensioner and water does seem straightforward . Only thing I would have to get is a proper torque wrench and be willing to spend time to make sure everything is proper. I can order the parts and have them on hand for when I feel like doing the repair.
malraux thanks for the info. what signs should I look for to know they are failing without then failing on me?
#7
I have 63.6k miles so I'm out of warranty, and used my goodwill warranty back at 40k when the fan blower went out.
I wish I could have done it myself...parts from bernardi would have come out to 500 while the dealership charged 660, labor was 400....
thats if I couldnt avoid the whole thing by just cleaning the MAF sensor. unfortunately my car had stalled on the highway and was stuck in a truck stop. Towing home from there would have killed whatever savings I could have had doing it myself.
Also I couldnt wait the days it would take to ship the parts.
The tensioner and water does seem straightforward . Only thing I would have to get is a proper torque wrench and be willing to spend time to make sure everything is proper. I can order the parts and have them on hand for when I feel like doing the repair.
malraux thanks for the info. what signs should I look for to know they are failing without then failing on me?
I wish I could have done it myself...parts from bernardi would have come out to 500 while the dealership charged 660, labor was 400....
thats if I couldnt avoid the whole thing by just cleaning the MAF sensor. unfortunately my car had stalled on the highway and was stuck in a truck stop. Towing home from there would have killed whatever savings I could have had doing it myself.
Also I couldnt wait the days it would take to ship the parts.
The tensioner and water does seem straightforward . Only thing I would have to get is a proper torque wrench and be willing to spend time to make sure everything is proper. I can order the parts and have them on hand for when I feel like doing the repair.
malraux thanks for the info. what signs should I look for to know they are failing without then failing on me?
Last edited by Lyon[Nightroad]; 06-03-2011 at 05:12 AM.
#9
For the water pump, is it leaking? Are your temps getting too high? Do the bearings inside sound wrong?
In general, for both of those parts, I'd expect their useful life to be somewhere between 80 and 150+ thousand miles. If you replace now, without a reason, you could be shortening the time between replacements. The only reason to preventatively replace them is if you're at 100k+ and doing work in that area.
#10
schoat: I have another thread here where I go into the details. Trust me I'm not happy about it but here is the short version:
car stalled on highway, towed to nearby dealership. diagnostic codes showed random misfire in all cylinders. MAF sensor comes out covered in K&N oil though I cleaned it 2 weeks and 700 miles ago. Supposedly the sensor died and in turned send bad data to the coils which killed them as well.
With no car and no way to get around I agreed to the repair and called K&N and am dealing with their warranty and r&d departments.
car stalled on highway, towed to nearby dealership. diagnostic codes showed random misfire in all cylinders. MAF sensor comes out covered in K&N oil though I cleaned it 2 weeks and 700 miles ago. Supposedly the sensor died and in turned send bad data to the coils which killed them as well.
With no car and no way to get around I agreed to the repair and called K&N and am dealing with their warranty and r&d departments.
#12
schoat: I have another thread here where I go into the details. Trust me I'm not happy about it but here is the short version:
car stalled on highway, towed to nearby dealership. diagnostic codes showed random misfire in all cylinders. MAF sensor comes out covered in K&N oil though I cleaned it 2 weeks and 700 miles ago. Supposedly the sensor died and in turned send bad data to the coils which killed them as well.
With no car and no way to get around I agreed to the repair and called K&N and am dealing with their warranty and r&d departments.
car stalled on highway, towed to nearby dealership. diagnostic codes showed random misfire in all cylinders. MAF sensor comes out covered in K&N oil though I cleaned it 2 weeks and 700 miles ago. Supposedly the sensor died and in turned send bad data to the coils which killed them as well.
With no car and no way to get around I agreed to the repair and called K&N and am dealing with their warranty and r&d departments.
#13
sorry Malraux thought I answered that:
while at the dealership they recommended replacing those items based on mileage and they were listed on the parts order form they showed me.
Since they weren't bad and since I noticed other service being recommended like a brake and power steering flush (we dont have anything to flush since we dont use steering fluid) and since I was already spending over a grand, I opted out.
I am choosing to do this on my own when the time is right because of the overall experience I had with a dealership. They will never work with you and will almost always recommend new parts even when new parts may not be needed.
Also this was a job I could have done myself had I thought to check the MAF and I feel pretty bad that I had to fork that amount of cash over.
So I want to learn how to fully maintain this car on my own and learn my car better so I dont end up at the dealership mercy again.
while at the dealership they recommended replacing those items based on mileage and they were listed on the parts order form they showed me.
Since they weren't bad and since I noticed other service being recommended like a brake and power steering flush (we dont have anything to flush since we dont use steering fluid) and since I was already spending over a grand, I opted out.
I am choosing to do this on my own when the time is right because of the overall experience I had with a dealership. They will never work with you and will almost always recommend new parts even when new parts may not be needed.
Also this was a job I could have done myself had I thought to check the MAF and I feel pretty bad that I had to fork that amount of cash over.
So I want to learn how to fully maintain this car on my own and learn my car better so I dont end up at the dealership mercy again.
#14
Of course the Fit with a timing chain and more easily accessed water pump renders this adage unnecessary. But I think that's where the feeling of needing to change it comes from.
But even on my 97 honda with a timing belt, the recommended replacement interval was 105K, not 60K (but the dealer always pushed to do it early). I did the water pump at that time too. And again at 210k...
The other issue is cartridges and shocks. I don't see changing these until 150K unless you want to upgrade to stiffer ones. But Monroe posts billboards suggesting changing them at 60K I believe.
#15
while at the dealership they recommended replacing those items based on mileage and they were listed on the parts order form they showed me.
Since they weren't bad and since I noticed other service being recommended like a brake and power steering flush (we dont have anything to flush since we dont use steering fluid) and since I was already spending over a grand, I opted out.
Since they weren't bad and since I noticed other service being recommended like a brake and power steering flush (we dont have anything to flush since we dont use steering fluid) and since I was already spending over a grand, I opted out.
It probably derives from 60k timing belt changes. Honda always recommends changing the water pump at the same interval "while you're in there."
Of course the Fit with a timing chain and more easily accessed water pump renders this adage unnecessary. But I think that's where the feeling of needing to change it comes from.
But even on my 97 honda with a timing belt, the recommended replacement interval was 105K, not 60K (but the dealer always pushed to do it early). I did the water pump at that time too. And again at 210k...
Of course the Fit with a timing chain and more easily accessed water pump renders this adage unnecessary. But I think that's where the feeling of needing to change it comes from.
But even on my 97 honda with a timing belt, the recommended replacement interval was 105K, not 60K (but the dealer always pushed to do it early). I did the water pump at that time too. And again at 210k...
This case, though, just sounds like a service manager wanting a boat payment.
#16
Read the manual and follow the manufacturer's recommendations. Where there are none, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. It's not like we're flying these things.
#17
It was likely your MAF. Even if it had been a coil, it would have been an easier DIY. A can of MAF cleaner is $10, or carb cleaner that works in an extreme pinch is $5.
It's not like parts for these cars are available at every parts store across the land, either.
There's no need to do the water pump or belt tensioner unless they're broken, or have other extenuating circumstances. Not unless the timing belt drives the waterpump, which it does not on an L15A7.
It's not like parts for these cars are available at every parts store across the land, either.
There's no need to do the water pump or belt tensioner unless they're broken, or have other extenuating circumstances. Not unless the timing belt drives the waterpump, which it does not on an L15A7.
#19
schoat: I have another thread here where I go into the details. Trust me I'm not happy about it but here is the short version:
car stalled on highway, towed to nearby dealership. diagnostic codes showed random misfire in all cylinders. MAF sensor comes out covered in K&N oil though I cleaned it 2 weeks and 700 miles ago. Supposedly the sensor died and in turned send bad data to the coils which killed them as well.
With no car and no way to get around I agreed to the repair and called K&N and am dealing with their warranty and r&d departments.
car stalled on highway, towed to nearby dealership. diagnostic codes showed random misfire in all cylinders. MAF sensor comes out covered in K&N oil though I cleaned it 2 weeks and 700 miles ago. Supposedly the sensor died and in turned send bad data to the coils which killed them as well.
With no car and no way to get around I agreed to the repair and called K&N and am dealing with their warranty and r&d departments.
My guess, your MAF was bad causing the computer to either lean the mixture out too much, or dump too much fuel. Either way it could have cause the engine to stall, and ruin your spark plugs. The coils were probably fine.
#20
Thanks for all the info. I wish I hadn't stalled where I did with no sleep. Otherwise I would have attempted to do it myself. Unfortunately I was stuck at 6am at a truck stop on the side of a busy highway (,NJ 1/9) I really do think the plugs might have kicked it (the looked really worn).
I kept the coils because I figure they're still good. After its done with KN I'll clean up the maf and keep it on standby. I'll also clean up the filter and reinstall it later.
Too bad I could limp the car back to a pepboys...everytime I hit the gas it would stall out.
Hope this story helps others. T
ry to look into it yourself before going to a dealer.
I kept the coils because I figure they're still good. After its done with KN I'll clean up the maf and keep it on standby. I'll also clean up the filter and reinstall it later.
Too bad I could limp the car back to a pepboys...everytime I hit the gas it would stall out.
Hope this story helps others. T
ry to look into it yourself before going to a dealer.
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