Well I'm here at J's Racing and finally got an answer about using the CR-Z' aluminum lower arms. The track would be pushed out 20mm on both sides and would need new driveshafts as well. Possibly could use the CR-Z shafts?

So definitely not a 1 for 1 swap. Unfortunately, as it would have saved some unsprung weight and added more rigidity.

 

darn! good info though.

 

There's still hope!

I just read the press release today about the tweaks done to the 2012 Insight and Honda states in the N/V Improvement section that "The front lower suspension arms are now made from aluminium, rather than steel."

Since the GE8 and the 2010/2011 Insight share the exact same part numbers for the steel front lower control arms (right: 51350-TK6-A01, left: 51360-TK6-A01) this might just be the direct swap we were hoping for. Time (and hopefully J's Racing) will tell...

 

That would definitely be a welcomed part indeed. I'll talk with Umehara-San and the guys about it next time I meet up with them and/or just go to one of the Honda dealers close by and ask one of the head mechanics to look into it for me, rather us that are interested.

 

Thank you 555! I really appreciate you keeping us posted...

 

Great news! The CRZ drive shafts would definitely bolt up...but this would dramatically increase the cost of the swap. The driveshaftshop.com could make a custom set (maybe even out of titanium to decrease even more weight) but again this would be expensive. I would really love to see the Insight or CRZ get aluminum knuckles...this would save alot of weight.

 

555- wondering if you've ever had a chance to check with Umehara-Sanor one of the local dealers about the new 2012 Insight arms? Just sitting here thinking of future mods...

 

I asked a close by dealer, but they were unaware about the Insight lower arms. Was going to wait till after the first of the year and go check again.

The 2012 Insights are now available over there right? Just not sure if Majestic or another large volume Honda parts dealer has anything listed for 2012 yet online.

 

Majestic does not have them listed, however, I did a little searching on HondaPartsUnlimited.com:

2011 Insight RFr Lower Arm Part #: 51350-TK6-A01 (List: $166.97)
2012 Insight RFr Lower Arm Part #: 51350-TM8-A01 (List: $321.63)

2011 Fit Sport RFr Lower Arm Part #: 51350-TK6-A01 (List: $166.97)
2012 Fit Sport RFr Lower Arm Part #: 51350-TK6-A01 (List: $166.97)

So assuming that nothing else has changed on the Insight BUT the lower arm, it should be a bolt on affair. I wonder what the weight savings would be?

 

The weight savings may not be so drastic, but the increased rigidity would be very welcomed. Thanks for researching ill_eagle.

The CR-Z arms are 51350-SZT-A02 and 51360-SZT-A02, so for sure the Insight is not using the CR-Z arms. The Insight arms just might be what is wanted then.

 

2012 insight parts are what we’re looking for. New part numbers are (Right: 51350-TM8-A01, Left: 51360-TM8-A01).

I’m assuming since the 09-11 fit and 10-11 Insight used the same part numbers for each (Right: 51350-TK6-A01, Left: 51360-TK6-A01) the swap to the 2012 aluminum insight arms should be a perfect fit.

 

This is a cool idea, something I probably wouldn't have thought about but something I would definitely consider. $321.63 per control arm is pricey but you can usually find parts for less than list price, especially once the car isn't brand new anymore.

 

That is the list price, even on the site mentioned above they are going for like $226.

 

That's more like it.

 

Any updates as to if this works or not?

 

Without a doubt this will work. It will just require cash.

I, however, am done plowing money into my Fit...this car compromises too much IMO to be worth the continued modification and development. Has anyone noticed the current horsepower race going on among major manufacturers?? We have not seen power numbers from the factory like this.....ever. I just don't understand polishing this 1.5 liter turd when you can buy a 400+ hp car brand new for under $30,000.

 

Not exactly a turd here nor do many of us care about horsepower. I've had six Mustangs, four of which were above 500hp. I grew out of that phase so horsepower per dollar spent makes zero difference to me now. I prefer handling.

 

Agree...and my Mustang (2012 Boss 302) beats the current iteration of the BMW M3 around Laguna Seca (and every other track they've competed on). The regular Mustang GT with the track package also bests a world class list of cars around VIR.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...to-2011-page-8

Even the current V6 Mustang (at a measley 305 hp) also represents the best bang for the buck under $28,000.
$28k High-Performance Two-Door Comparison - Motor Trend

Oddly, it didnt' win this comparison despite besting the other cars in every category including lowest price.



The Fit is what it is (noisy, cheap, devoid of any interior luxury, and good on MPG) and I have enjoyed mine. I'm just done trying to massage it beyond what it is.

 

Your entire tangent is off base. Your personal epiphany about the Fit has nothing to do with CRZ aluminum arms.

Go make a topic in The Wasteland to share your discovery, don't muck up the thread please.

Thanks,
W

 

Lol...this will help:



The tangent followed a direct line of conversation...perhaps you missed it. Scroll up.


Regardless, there is no substance in this thread. I posted detailed pics of the CRZ subframe and Fit GE subframe along with the knuckles and brakes. I contrasted the similarities between the two (by part number) and showed exactly what parts would be necessary for the conversion. I even was kind enough to quantify the total price. All of this information can be found in my "Biggest loser" thread.