DIY: Big Brake Kit
 

This is what I have been up to the last couple of days; I put together a Front DIY BBK using my friends at Car-Quest and Napa. Going to a larger pad and rotor (11") set up. It bolts right on. NO fabricating involved. The rotor backing plates will have to be slightly bent by hand to accommodate the larger rotor.



Specs:

Stock Rotor Diameter: 254mm (10"), Wieght: 11 lbs
Stock Caliper Piston Diameter: 53mm
Stock Pad Contact Surface: 90mm long x 48mm tall

BBK Rotor Diameter: 280mm (11"), Weight:11.5 lbs
BBK Caliper Piston Diameter: 56mm
BBK Pad Contact Surface: 105mm long x 50mm tall



BBK Parts:

Calipers: 1997 Acura Integra Type R
Pads: 1997 Acura Integra Type R
Rotor: 2009 Mini Cooper SOHC non-turbo 280mm*

*Make sure to specify "280mm"!!! For some reason Pep-boys gave me 276mm, they are close but too small.

NOTE: The 280mm Mini Cooper rotors ARE Hub Centric.



BBK OEM Part Numbers:

Caliper: OEM Type R (x1) 19-B1461 and (x1) 19-B1460
Pads: OEM Type R (x1) CXD503
Rotors: OEM Mini Cooper (x2) 48880606 or 326610



My BBK Set Up:

Capilers: OEM Type R Calipers (x1) 19-B1461 and (x1) 19-B1460
Pads: Hawk HPS, HB143F.680
Rotor: Stop Tech (x1) 127.34100R and (x1) 127.34100L



Pics:

Pad Comparison:
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73...36604ebc78.jpg

Before (Stock):
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73...58106af43e.jpg

After (11" BBK):
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73...59031963b9.jpg

After (11" BBK):
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73...f14c2a1edc.jpg

280mm Rotor and Pad Clearance (11" BBK):
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73...1fa1b1085d.jpg






Final Set up with Hawk pads, Stop Tech Rotors, Type-r calipers:
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73...9044ab65ff.jpg



Review:

I have had the setup on the car for over 2k miles now. The car has a lot more bit and is very responsive under braking. I suggest upgrading to a wider tire is a must from the 195, I doubt the OEM tires keep up with the brakes.


Problems:

First, Remember these calipers are REBUILTS!!!! That means they were replace because they had issues and were rebuilt. The left caliper I bought slides fine in my hand, but when it's on the car under heavy pressure it binds. At first I thought this was air in the system, but when I was on the high way and I was on the brakes; it pulled right. This indicates that "only the front right side caliper was working". Car Quest warrantied it, no hassle.

Second, I got air all the way into the master and it took a long time to get it out. The best advice I can give is bleed it manually with someone who has bled brakes before. The wives/ girlfriends can cause a lot of painful grief if you end up getting air all the way back in the master.

Amazing job! I'm sure it stops very well, your GE8 should be a little lighter than the DC2-R and has quality rubber so it should haul you down WAY better than stock.

I had an OEM ITR caliper/pad setup (mine had redrilled Prelude 11" rotors) on my old '93 Civic coupe. It fit easily under 15x6.5" Konig Heliums, and the improvement
was very noticeable. I also added a larger 15/16" master cylinder and some Motorcraft? high-temp DOT 4 fluid, and don't think they ever exhibited any fade coming
down Sierra Nevada mountain roads for my commute. Excellent upgrade! :thumbups:

http://s24.postimg.org/cn6e5b3p1/Eee_Jay_Won024.jpg

Dang, that looks sweet! :D

I bet the car stops on a dime as well.

Thanks for the DIY and Parts # and Pictures :)

Can you feel the Different in Braking Power ?

Please kindly explain your experience with this Integra Type R Big Brake Upgrade.



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Real nice work on this DIY. A lot of extra meat on those new pads.

Thanks guys.

The Car-Quest/Napa Pads and Rotors are for fitment purpose only. I have a set of Stop Tech rotors and Hawk pads on the way. So i will post results asap.

Great DIY! When I need front brakes...which will be soon, I will definatly try this mod.

Seeing as Ill be board this weekend lol. And I guess I might need brakes Ill give this a try.

How much did the calipers run you from Napa?

thickness wise of the caliper, is there a difference between the two? stock vs integra?

The manager at CarqQuest he gave them to for $70 for the pair. I Think they go for $120/pair!?! best I can say is call your local stores.

Any chance these would fit under the stock 15" steelies?

I will try it out and let you know.

I'm not quite sure what you mean. The Type-R caliper is bigger in every way, though. Longer, Wider, Taller.

To go along with this. ITR calipers should also interchange bolt pattern wise with s2k, rsx, rex-s, ect. Im going to go the type-s route when I need to replace my fronts. One more advantage to 5 lug :D

swade

Good deal on your part :thumbups:

Also wondering this, so thank you for checking. I will start piecing this kit together shortly if they do fit under the steel wheels. It's about time for me to change pads and fluid anyway. Thanks again.

Thanks.

Fit = 10" front rotor
RSX = 10.3" front rotor
Integra Type-R = 11" front rotor
S2000 = 11.8" front rotor
RSX-S = 11.8" front rotor

I would be concerned that the brake bias would be pushing the limits with a larger set up. The 11.8"+ would be great if the rear drums were replaced with a rear disc conversion. The S2000's have 11" rear rotors to compensate for bias.

If the bias was too far forward; the car would under-steer into heavy braking turns, and you would loose trail braking.

I would be interested in a link for a rear conversion kit if anyone knows of one. The T1R seems to be GD exclusive?!? Anyone know?

Nice work and thanks for sharing. How much did the entire setup run you?

Type-R Calipers: $70/pair
Stop Tech Rotors: $155/pair shipped
Hawk HPS Pads: $66 shipped

Total = $291.00 USD

That's one inexpensive BBK! My car has less than 7k miles on it, but I may do this upgrade soon.

Makes sense on a track/driven hard car. I just need to fill the wheel better :)

I'm excited someone has put this info out there. This should, should, work on a GD also caliper wise.

One poster here had a succesful rear conversion with custom made bracket and use rear Honda Civic Si and Caliper,
here are his thread:
https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/2nd-...prototype.html

Fastbrakes have a rear conversion kit for GE:
2007-2011 Honda Fit rear drum to 11" disc conversion

I ask T1R before, and T1R say they no longer make the rear disk kit conversion.

Another way is to do Full JDM RS Rear Axle Disk Brake conversion like what I currently did (and I don't know when I can finish hahaha :D)
https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/2nd-...onversion.html

I will put 12in rear disk brake on my car (already have the wilwood hat and the custom made 12in rear disk),
the only problem is I need to save money so I can buy much bigger brake upfront (Brembo 14in with 6 piston caliper), to balance the rear 12in...
yeah, ... as usual, money is the problem hahaha :D

oh by the way,
I am pretty sure a 11in rotor would fit on a 15in wheel,
because just yesterday I was searching
whether a 12in rotor would fit on a 15in wheel (since our spare is 15in right?)...
an some 15in wheel can even fit 12.19in rotor (although not all of them),...
so I think 11in would safely fit...
the only other things that you might want to check is the offset,
cause the caliper might hit the spokes of the rim...
this I don't know..., but you can always use 3mm spacer...

:yeahthat:


But I seriously doubt the fastbrakes kit would work on a GE since the hubs are welded on, were as on a GD they're bolted...




Nice DIY OP... +reps

Hi FitStir,
I think the Fastbrake kit would work because
the hubs had nothing to do with the rear brake kit,
because they do not replace/remove the hubs. (even in GD fastbrake and T1R kit)

All those kits do are just take out the entire rear drum brake housing,
which were bolted to the hubs on both GE and GD.
then use that bolt to mount the new bracket to mount the caliper.
just like what the other poster here at fitfreak do with his custom made bracket.

the welded hubs on GE do prevent us from adjusting the camber using shim method, but it had nothing to do in relation to this brake disk kit conversion.

having said that, I think there is possibility for GD owner to change their drum brake to disk brake using original hub from GD that came with disk brake without having to change the entire rear axle like what GE owner had to do if they want to keep all part OEM Honda.

Yeah that's true, the GD owners didn't have to change the whole rear axle like the GE owners have to. The fast brakes kit is very similar to the T1R kit that was offered to GD owners.


but I still have my doubts on it working on a GE... I'd rather do it official, the way you're doing it with the full JDM rear conversion. :thumbups:

Hi FitStir,

here is an article about a Fastbrake kit for Civic Rear Disk conversion,
which should be similar to Honda Fit GE (or GD conversion),
and it clearly show how they utilize the original hub that came with the drum brake for this conversion. (plenty of pictures).
I specifically link to the page 2 of this article since it contain the most relevant picture of the bracket on the original hub :
Fast Brakes Rear Disc Brake Conversion Kit

well, actually, I am just going to link the picture here too :)


http://photos.motoiq.com/MotoIQ/Proj.../IMG1499-L.jpg

^^^Good info!

This is what i'm concerned about, I don't want to use a spacer at all since when i'm lazy I always get tire rotations balances and repairs at Americas Tire and they get wary of working with spacers. Some of their shops won't even service cars with spacers. I can tell the stock caliper is pretty close to the steel wheel as is...

That's not bad at all. I assume the Type R calipers bolt to the Fit's stock caliper bracket?

Very looking forward to hearing your impressions with the better pads. And thanks for checking to see if this will fit behind the stock steelies :) +rep to you.

Sorry I haven't been on top of this thread. I found out; I'm getting laid off, I'm working off my my engineering degree and the company I work for no longer wants to support my schooling.


But on a lighter note I have installed the final set up I edited the original post with a pic, so you know I didn't forget about you guys. It's been rain here in CT, but I will test fit the 15" steelie wheel, and do a write-up after I have been on the new set up for a week or so.

Cheers, feel free to ask any questions.

Yes, the caliper bracket is the same set up as the steering knuckle.

Hi De36,
I sincerely hope you will find another job very soon !
as a fellow engineer, I really understand and can relate to how you feel.
Don't worry, things will get better.

Ever get around to testing those steelies? :D

I want to get excited and start buying parts lol

I will have to disagree to the T1R conversion kit. Not that it is available now, but I bought that conversion a long time ago. The conversion for the GD was a whole different spindle with a caliper bracket on it. Basically a 95 Civic Del Sol rear spindle bracket for example.

Now the add-on bracket should work if there are bolt holes, assuming its from taking off the drums on the GE. If it was the same deal on the GD, Longer bolts would be needed.

ah, on the T1R kit You are RIGHT !
I am wrong, sorry my mistake...
I do remember that T1R kit came with a blue hubcentric ring spacer,
so that is why I thought it used the same spindle...
I just re read the thread about a DIY for older generation Fit (GD) with T1R kit here
https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/fit-...n-package.html

to refresh my memory.

Thanks for the correction :)

I still haven't tested the steelies, I apologize. My personal life is a little hectic right now. Jodele did a similar conversion on his GD and said they fit. I will still confirm this for you.

https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/fit-...tallation.html

Very nice! :thumbups:

I have had the 280mm rotor set up for over 2k miles now and removed the pad. They are wearing evenly. If you are afraid of the pad sticking out over the rotor 2 mm, you can see from my pics that they don't. Still, if this was a concern the simple fix is to shave 2mm off the top of the pad.

You have a very nice set up, I'm jealous of the two piece rotors.

The point of mine was to do it less expensive. $225 for the rotors is a lot. My whole set up was only $290.

I also edited the original post with a review and problems I ran into:


"Review:

I have had the setup on the car for over 2k miles now. The car has a lot more bit and is very responsive under braking. Upgrading to a wider tire is a must from the 195, the tires can't keep up with the brakes.


Problems:

First, Remember these calipers are REBUILTS!!!! That means they were replace because they had issues and were rebuilt. The left caliper I bought slides fine in my hand, but when it's on the car under heavy pressure it binds. At first I thought this was air in the system, but when I was on the high way and I was on the brakes; it pulled right. This indicates that "only the front right side caliper was working". Car Quest warrantied it, no hassle.

Second, I got air all the way into the master and it took a long time to get it out. The best advice I can give is bleed it manually with someone who has bled brakes before. The wives/ girlfriends can cause a lot of painful grief if you end up getting air all the way back in the master."