How much roughly is a Manual Swap for a 3rd gen?
How much roughly is a Manual Swap for a 3rd gen?
Hey there so i got a few things to talk about ,, First this is my second fit ive owned, i had/have a 2010 honda fit base model *literally base as it can get, no cruise control* (that shit was killing me)
and my father had a 2011 honda crv, and one day wanted to have a arm wrestle with a deer, the deer won..
anyways let me cut to the chase, I bought another fit because my mother has the ugly 2019 honda fit sport in orange and ik that it got a few extra miles more than my 2010 one, so i bought a 2015 honda fit in the slick electric blue which i love, but whats strange to me is that 1 it has S *sports mode* on the prndl but no paddle shifters?? which for a car from 2015 i would assume they would put that in there,, not to judge or ask this dumb question but is this normal??
only time ive ever seen this was a 1999 Honda civic and it has S but of course a car for a civic i wouldnt expect shifters in 99'
just seems off to me,
was wondering on some information about this, me knowing how cars work i dont think adding paddles to the wheel*nor there be any connections for the shifters* will do the trick but if so i would love to know!
but with that being said i would like to know how much would it run me for a swap,, I know in the end its better off selling it and just buying a manual one, which realistically thats how it is with literally any other car, but would like to know the numbers.
as well for my Final question,
2015 Honda Fit *Electric blue*
interior 7/10, the seats are in good condition, and everything interior-wise just a good amount of staining that needs to get pulled out
Body 7/10 paint looks good, just overall around the car it looks scratched up from up close, like over the past 10 years, little by little, cats were fucking that boy up
*has the Honda Fit lifter start up and loud tick*
But I would assume that's normal, even though my 2010 is quiet like a mouse, i just referenced this from my mothers pos 2019
,, (and ik tick isnt normal if you get and maintain the car, just how i got it, will be dealt with soon enough
)
No leaks, No lights
motor is sound
and transmission is actually the first time i made me actually hate cvt transmissions with how smooth it feels
168000 miles
and i paid $4800 was this a good deal?
,, will upload photos of the car soon. Kind of new to forum-type posting, I wanted to get involved! This is sick!
**also side mission if you'd like to answer**
2010 Honda Fit Black
*Base model* (Pretty sure as base as it can get, no damn cruise control)
Body is a 7.5/10, overall really good paint is there, just bad clear on the roof and one little baseball dent on the trunk, and a few specs fixed by some paint on the hood, other than that really clean
interior 8/10 *could be 9/10 if detailed)
and the engine is perfect, i don't even think the oil gets dirty whenever its been 5k miles, so amazing
transmission, sound,a nd acts like what I would assume a 2010 CVT would feel like, smooth but kinda/sorta feels the *gears*
207000
*now has close to 227000*
Paid $3300 a year ago
Was this also a good deal?
and my father had a 2011 honda crv, and one day wanted to have a arm wrestle with a deer, the deer won..
anyways let me cut to the chase, I bought another fit because my mother has the ugly 2019 honda fit sport in orange and ik that it got a few extra miles more than my 2010 one, so i bought a 2015 honda fit in the slick electric blue which i love, but whats strange to me is that 1 it has S *sports mode* on the prndl but no paddle shifters?? which for a car from 2015 i would assume they would put that in there,, not to judge or ask this dumb question but is this normal??
only time ive ever seen this was a 1999 Honda civic and it has S but of course a car for a civic i wouldnt expect shifters in 99'
just seems off to me,
was wondering on some information about this, me knowing how cars work i dont think adding paddles to the wheel*nor there be any connections for the shifters* will do the trick but if so i would love to know!
but with that being said i would like to know how much would it run me for a swap,, I know in the end its better off selling it and just buying a manual one, which realistically thats how it is with literally any other car, but would like to know the numbers.
as well for my Final question,
2015 Honda Fit *Electric blue*
interior 7/10, the seats are in good condition, and everything interior-wise just a good amount of staining that needs to get pulled out
Body 7/10 paint looks good, just overall around the car it looks scratched up from up close, like over the past 10 years, little by little, cats were fucking that boy up
*has the Honda Fit lifter start up and loud tick*
But I would assume that's normal, even though my 2010 is quiet like a mouse, i just referenced this from my mothers pos 2019
,, (and ik tick isnt normal if you get and maintain the car, just how i got it, will be dealt with soon enough
)No leaks, No lights
motor is sound
and transmission is actually the first time i made me actually hate cvt transmissions with how smooth it feels
168000 miles
and i paid $4800 was this a good deal?
,, will upload photos of the car soon. Kind of new to forum-type posting, I wanted to get involved! This is sick!
**also side mission if you'd like to answer**
2010 Honda Fit Black
*Base model* (Pretty sure as base as it can get, no damn cruise control)
Body is a 7.5/10, overall really good paint is there, just bad clear on the roof and one little baseball dent on the trunk, and a few specs fixed by some paint on the hood, other than that really clean
interior 8/10 *could be 9/10 if detailed)
and the engine is perfect, i don't even think the oil gets dirty whenever its been 5k miles, so amazing
transmission, sound,a nd acts like what I would assume a 2010 CVT would feel like, smooth but kinda/sorta feels the *gears*
207000
*now has close to 227000*
Paid $3300 a year ago
Was this also a good deal?
So, if you are in the US, your 2010 does not have a CVT, it has a 5-speed automatic. CVT simply wasn't an option at that point.
A conventional multi-speed automatic has a set gear ratios (in the Fit's case, literally pairs of gears between shafts) that it picks from (similar to a manual transmission) and a torque converter that does some hydraulic turbine magic to provide low-speed creep and assist with accelerating from a stop.
The 3rd gen CVT is a belt-drive system. The "shifting" mechanism consists of two fancy pulleys and a segmented steel belt between them. The sides of each pulley can squeeze closer together or relax. Squeezing together makes the segments of the belt ride higher up on that pulley, making the belt take a longer path around. Since the belt doesn't stretch (it's steel), the other pulley relaxes to let the belt ride lower down, providing the needed length. Various combinations of pulley positions provide the different gear ratios, but there's no set ratios - the transmission's current gear ratio can be anywhere within a range. Like the conventional automatic, a torque converter is used for low-speed operation.
I wouldn't call adding paddle shifters a "manual swap". A "manual swap" is literally installing a manual transmission, clutch pedal, left-right-forward-back stick shifter and all. Nearly all cars with paddles (the Fit included) are automatic transmissions. There are also "Automated Manual Transmissions" with paddles, but those are very rare in the US outside of sports cars.
In the Fit, the paddle shifters tell the transmission computer (which is also the engine computer) which automatic transmission gear the driver wants to use. It's a manual-mode for the automatic transmission. With the conventional automatic, that's simply which of the 5 forward speeds, which set of gears, the driver wants to use. The computer does a sanity check (no over-revving the engine) and shifts into that gear. On the CVT, there's no set speeds/gears, it's a range. Rather than make the driver think about that, the computer pretends the car has a 7-speed conventional automatic. It does the same sanity check, then moves the pulleys to the ratio of the imaginary "gear" the driver selected.
So adding paddles should be simple, right? Replace the steering wheel and clock spring with a paddle setup, run some wires or something? On the 3rd gen, those wires go to the gauge cluster, which handles lots of the driver controls. It turns the paddle button presses into network communications on the car's CANbus. The engine/trans computer (called the Powertrain Control Module) listens for that communication and shifts accordingly. So that means swapping out the gauge cluster (they have slightly different electrical connections), and possibly swapping out or doing a software change on the PCM.
Simple idea, complicated to execute.
A conventional multi-speed automatic has a set gear ratios (in the Fit's case, literally pairs of gears between shafts) that it picks from (similar to a manual transmission) and a torque converter that does some hydraulic turbine magic to provide low-speed creep and assist with accelerating from a stop.
The 3rd gen CVT is a belt-drive system. The "shifting" mechanism consists of two fancy pulleys and a segmented steel belt between them. The sides of each pulley can squeeze closer together or relax. Squeezing together makes the segments of the belt ride higher up on that pulley, making the belt take a longer path around. Since the belt doesn't stretch (it's steel), the other pulley relaxes to let the belt ride lower down, providing the needed length. Various combinations of pulley positions provide the different gear ratios, but there's no set ratios - the transmission's current gear ratio can be anywhere within a range. Like the conventional automatic, a torque converter is used for low-speed operation.
I wouldn't call adding paddle shifters a "manual swap". A "manual swap" is literally installing a manual transmission, clutch pedal, left-right-forward-back stick shifter and all. Nearly all cars with paddles (the Fit included) are automatic transmissions. There are also "Automated Manual Transmissions" with paddles, but those are very rare in the US outside of sports cars.
In the Fit, the paddle shifters tell the transmission computer (which is also the engine computer) which automatic transmission gear the driver wants to use. It's a manual-mode for the automatic transmission. With the conventional automatic, that's simply which of the 5 forward speeds, which set of gears, the driver wants to use. The computer does a sanity check (no over-revving the engine) and shifts into that gear. On the CVT, there's no set speeds/gears, it's a range. Rather than make the driver think about that, the computer pretends the car has a 7-speed conventional automatic. It does the same sanity check, then moves the pulleys to the ratio of the imaginary "gear" the driver selected.
So adding paddles should be simple, right? Replace the steering wheel and clock spring with a paddle setup, run some wires or something? On the 3rd gen, those wires go to the gauge cluster, which handles lots of the driver controls. It turns the paddle button presses into network communications on the car's CANbus. The engine/trans computer (called the Powertrain Control Module) listens for that communication and shifts accordingly. So that means swapping out the gauge cluster (they have slightly different electrical connections), and possibly swapping out or doing a software change on the PCM.
Simple idea, complicated to execute.
gothca, and yeah i know adding paddle shifters isnt making it a manual, i was wonder how much was it to do a stick swap if i dared to ,, obvs cost wise its prob not going to be worth it but just cutious how the numbers would be for that
actually swapping a CVT for a manual would involve a bit of rewiring also not including some hardware items and mounting brackets. i think the engine mangement on the computer end is quite different
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