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Old Sep 6, 2014 | 07:43 AM
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Will the RSB from a GE8 fit the GK

Hello to all Fit Freaks, I've been a member on here before but it's been a while and the email I had linked to my membership is gone so I started a new membership. The reason I'm back now is because I'm currently deployed to Afghanistan and after six months being here I just came to realize that there is now a 3rd Gen Fit on the Market, I know, I'm a little behind the times. After doing some comparisons on the specs between the new GK and my currently owned 2010 Sport model, I realize that for less than what I bought the GE8 brand new back in 2010, I can get a much better car. I will be trading for a 2015 LX with the 6 speed trans of course. The new look isn't what sold me on this car, although it does look rather good. What sold me was the fact that the base model LX is 7 pounds lighter, 14 more HP, 8 more ft lbs of torque, and I am really stoked about the 6 speed gearbox. Only downside with the GK is the smaller interior volume, especially the cargo area with the seats up. But that's ok, my children are bigger now and there will be no need to have the room for a stroller behind the rear seat.
Ok so now my question like the title say... I have a Progress rear sway bar on my current Fit, and will be taking it off to either sell separately from the trade in, or even better, swap it to the new GK, if it will in fact fit the new Fit....
If anyone has any knowledge on whether or not the mounting points are the same please let me know. I do know that the rear track on the GK is about half an inch wider, but that could simply be due to wheel offset or a different hub, I don't know to be honest.
Thanks fellow Fitnians...
 
Old Sep 6, 2014 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Stan Glockett
I have a Progress rear sway bar on my current Fit, and will be taking it off to either sell separately from the trade in, or even better, swap it to the new GK, if it will in fact fit the new Fit...
2013 rear axle beam- 42100-TK6-A02
2015 rear axle beam- 42100-T5R-A12

different part numbers, so something has to be different. doesn't answer your question, but at least it gives some insight to the issue.
 
Old Sep 6, 2014 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by rodney
2013 rear axle beam- 42100-TK6-A02
2015 rear axle beam- 42100-T5R-A12

different part numbers, so something has to be different. doesn't answer your question, but at least it gives some insight to the issue.
Thanks for researching that Rodney. True it doesn't totally answer the question, but it does give some clues. I will continue the research myself where you left off. Maybe get some pictures from Honda parts catalogs and compare. Ultimately I will have to just get the new Fit up in the air and see if it fits.
 
Old Sep 6, 2014 | 10:28 AM
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Ok so my IP was blocked from www.hondapartsonline.com for some reason. I found one other website that has images of the parts, however they didn't have an image of the 2015 rear beam axle since it's so new. I bet the Honda parts online has the picture but Murphy's Law got the best of me today. The site that did let me browse also had dimensions of the two parts and they are as follows...


2010 Fit rear beam axle - L: 64.6in. x W: 24.4in. x H: 8.3in. 58.3 lbs


2015 Fit rear beam axle - L: 55.9in. x W: 14.2in. x H: 8.1in. 36.4 lbs


Now this seems kind of vague, because I'm not sure how these measurements were taken, but there is clearly a big difference, and it appears that the rear axle beams on the new Fit are 22 pounds lighter. Potentially a swap of parts onto the GE8 could make it's rear suspension 44 pounds lighter


Still my original question remains a mystery...
 
Old Sep 6, 2014 | 11:29 AM
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so you dont see the 10 inch difference in length and think "that might not work" ???
 
Old Sep 6, 2014 | 11:45 AM
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no problem!

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Old Sep 6, 2014 | 11:52 AM
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Sure 10" shorter than previous version, yes that seems to point to the conclusion that it won't work. However, after more research I realize that the 10" that you speak of is forward of where the Progress rear sway bar bolts up to the axle beam. Here is an exert from an article I just read...


Rear axle revised for legroom
The rear legroom improvement started with a change in the H-shaped torsion beam rear suspension, in which the trailing arms were shortened, which permitted moving the rear axle to the rear. So the rear seat could be moved back too, increasing legroom.


Front-seat legroom remains a competitive 41.4 in (1051 mm), just 0.4 in (10 mm) less than Versa. The inverted U of the torsion beam is now a double-wall design, which strengthens it sufficiently to permit Honda to eliminate the stabilizer bar. Front suspension is MacPherson strut, but redesigned with a hollow stabilizer bar and new geometry


this came from here if you wish to read the whole article...
New Honda Fit introduced with "Earth Dreams" engine, CVT, new body construction - SAE International


I also found a picture describing where the axle beam was shortened, but I have no photobucket account at the moment (my apologies). But in the picture it shows that the axle beam pretty much was shortened forward of the spring perch (which is where the Progress rear sway bar attaches). If I had to guess, I'd say the Progress rear sway bar just might actually fit on a GK. Hopefully one of you beat me to it because I won't be back in the States for a while, then once I get back, I will still have to sell or trade my GE8 before I purchase the GK.
 
Old Sep 6, 2014 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Stan Glockett
Sure 10" shorter than previous version, yes that seems to point to the conclusion that it won't work. However, after more research I realize that the 10" that you speak of is forward of where the Progress rear sway bar bolts up to the axle beam. Here is an exert from an article I just read...


Rear axle revised for legroom
The rear legroom improvement started with a change in the H-shaped torsion beam rear suspension, in which the trailing arms were shortened, which permitted moving the rear axle to the rear. So the rear seat could be moved back too, increasing legroom.


Front-seat legroom remains a competitive 41.4 in (1051 mm), just 0.4 in (10 mm) less than Versa. The inverted U of the torsion beam is now a double-wall design, which strengthens it sufficiently to permit Honda to eliminate the stabilizer bar. Front suspension is MacPherson strut, but redesigned with a hollow stabilizer bar and new geometry


this came from here if you wish to read the whole article...
New Honda Fit introduced with "Earth Dreams" engine, CVT, new body construction - SAE International


I also found a picture describing where the axle beam was shortened, but I have no photobucket account at the moment (my apologies). But in the picture it shows that the axle beam pretty much was shortened forward of the spring perch (which is where the Progress rear sway bar attaches). If I had to guess, I'd say the Progress rear sway bar just might actually fit on a GK. Hopefully one of you beat me to it because I won't be back in the States for a while, then once I get back, I will still have to sell or trade my GE8 before I purchase the GK.
Why not just ask progress themselves?
 
Old Sep 6, 2014 | 12:01 PM
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In that article I mentioned the author also states that the newly designed rear suspension doesn't grab the road as good or feel as planted as the GE8 did, so yes more legroom in the back, and more comfy on the highways, but lacks what the previous model had on the twisty roads. This is due to the lack of the stabilizer bar since the new rear axle beams are made stronger. All this tells me is that the GK will definitely be in need of a rear sway bar.
Maybe even some additional stiffening, like a custom brace and stiffer shocks.
 
Old Sep 6, 2014 | 12:03 PM
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I can ask Progress, good call. I will post what they say. Understand I am in a 3rd world country right now and phone calls are a chore for me
 
Old Sep 6, 2014 | 12:17 PM
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what information is really needed is a direct measurement from the spring seats. distance between any and all holes, and angles if needed.


Could offer a small adapter plate to utilize the smaller sway bars for GE, like the cusco. it only uses 2 bolts on each side rather then 3, but it has that angled edge
 
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