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it can happen anytime, to any of us =\

 

Please please report every issue on your Fit to the recall.gov website. If you mention that you feel unsafe this kicks up the recall response Honda has to give.

Reporting your problem is the important first step.

Your complaint will be added to a public NHTSA database after personally identifying information is removed.
If the agency receives similar reports from a number of people about the same product, this could indicate that a safety-related defect may exist that would warrant the opening of an investigation.

LET'S GET STARTED!

COMPLETE this 5-step form -- it takes about 5 minutes, and have the following information handy:

• Email Address -- To file a complaint without one or for other assistance, please call the Vehicle Safety Hotline (Toll-Free: 1-888-327-4236 / Hearing Impaired (TTY): 1-800-424-9153).

Specific address that takes you to a new entry is:
https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/

 

Have you done anything out of the ordinary to prevent issues? Catch can, accelerate like a maniac all the time, lots of engine braking, click your heels together before getting into the car every day?

This seems common enough to be concerning. What's your climate like where you live? I wonder if there is more buildup in colder or hotter areas?

 

Is ANYONE running anything but 87 octane here (non FI applications)? That's one of the cost factors that lead me to purchasing this car over some other options.

 

I haven't put a catch can in yet, but it's on the list of things to do. I run 87 octane and drive mostly moderate speeds, but I redline through the gears getting on the freeway if there's nobody in front of me. I leave work at midnight, so that's several times per week. Oil is changed as soon as the maintenance thing comes on, only Mobil1 or Pennzoil Platinum. I'm near Seattle, so moderate climate.

 

I have not installed a catch can as of yet either. I run strictly 87 octane fuel and drive between 65 and 70 during long distance travel, 75+ when passing. Oil has only been changed once since the car only has around 9k miles on the clock but the schedule I stick to is an oil change every 5k miles. I do use the 0-20 in a synthetic blend for oil changes.

 

It's something to keep in mind, but I got too much stuff going on in my life to be concerned with the off chance this affects the vehicle I own. There are at this point hundreds of thousands of Fits on the road and we're only getting a small subset of folks reporting this problem. I'd be interested to see if the Forum has a breakdown of how many GK owners there are and see what the percentage of owners have had this issue. I'd wager it's probably a small percentage.

No catch can installed, though I have one that I've been to busy to install (2 kids 3 and under will do that...) I drive normally as it's my daily driver and I'm doing about 85 miles a day in commuting. I'm in the mid-atlantic so we get both hot/cold but neither the extremes of either.

These are my last 3 calculated MPG: 44.020, 45.966, 42.516

 

Hello

I purchased a 2015 Fit at auction one owner with 24K miles on the clock for $4000. It was a flood car, with some evidence of water inside the cabin, and some mud on the carpet. I removed the seats and the carpet, cleaned the interior, sprayed down the exposed metal with a ODO Ban, which full strength also kills mold. There was no water in the engine or transmission, and the water level was no high enough to damage any of the engine electrical components.

The only electronic Module that was damaged was the airbag computer which sits near the firewall , and on the floor and I paid $65 for a replacement computer from a salvage yard, then sent the replacement and old CPU to a shop that can reprogram and copy the old CPU onto the new SRS computer, installed that, used my Honda Code reader to delete all the codes, and was happy that I had no more check engine lights, or SRS warnings.

Got car approved as "rebuilt" and started driving . After about 2 months and 2K more miles I got a bunch of CEL, and code reader said that Cylinder 3 misfire was occurring. Did some searches, here and other places and found the 2015 Fuel injector recall issue, TSB issued, and the fact that that issue can also set off the anti traction, and other CELs.

Since car has a salvage title, I knew that the Honda dealer is NOT going to do any work on the car under warranty, and I did not want to spend $1100 on parts to replace/upgrade the injectors.

So I purchased used injectors and the fuel rail from a 2018 wreck for $300, and was able to find the VIN on https://autoauctions.io.. and saw that the 2018 sold in December of 2018 at Auction, so I know the source car had reasonably low mileage with only 1 year in service.

I signed up for 30 days of Honda Factory Service manual access (ebay for $7) and spent several days reading and researching the correct way to remove and replace the fuel injectors and rail.

Of course the FSM said that you must also replace the High pressure Fuel joint pipe set the stainless steel compression fitting tube that connects between the high pressure fuel pump and the fuel rail. That pipe is $110 at wholesale dealer, I found new part on ebay for $40 and purchased same.

The FSM also said that all of the o-rings and seals on the fuel injectors must be replaced. Those parts were an additional $100, and I carefully inspected the 2018 injectors, and decided that injectors and o-rings and seals all looked correct and pristine, so I took a chance and used those to avoid that added cost. Also note that replacing the seal at the end of the injectors requires special tools to install then compress the special material that is used as the seal, and I did not want to buy a $400 special tool set for one job, or do some jury rig approach to install those seals.

The removal was pretty straight forward (just followed the FSM instructions)... and the install was also not very difficult.

I was surprised at easy it was to break loose the compression tubing connections, as I expected them to be super tight, but they were not.

Prior to install I carefully examined the old 2015 injectors, and the new 2018 vintage injectors, and I could find no difference in the exterior or the # of injector holes at the tip (both had 4) It is possible that the diameter of the holes was slightly different on the newer injectors, but you would need a microscope and scale to measure and confirm that.

I did find that the markings of the part # or ID on the injectors WAS different .

The old injectors had three rows of identifiers in addition to a 2d bar code
Row 1 =EE14
Row 2 =BAA
Row 3= AS
The New injectors had three rows of identifiers in addition to a 2d bar code
Row 1 =HD04
Row 2 =AAA
Row 3= j1AS
Note that the J1 on row three was in a smaller font.

I attached the Old/New Image below.

As of now I have driven the car about another 500 miles and no more misfires or check engine lights. I did leave the covers off the fuel rail and the high pressure fuel pump to check/ensure that there were no fuel leaks.

If I had to do this again, I believe I would also skip replacing the $110 fuel joint pipe as close examination of that reveals that is is just a stainless steel pipe with two compression fittings on each end, no o-rings or other items that could deteriorate, and nothing that I could see that would be stressed or stretched on install (Like one time use bolts).

Fuel mileage is where it should be, and I am happy/satisfied with the repair.

Not happy with the TSB that says all 2015 and some amount of 2016 Fits have "defective" fuel injectors, and only solution is to replace.

My total out of pocket cost was $300 for the 2018 Fuel injectors and fuel rail, from salvage yard, and $48 for the fuel pipe joint set and $7.00 for Honda Factory Service Manual online access (Both Ebay) Grand Total ~$357.


All in all remove and replace the high pressure fuel injectors and fuel rail and fuel joint pipe set was not terribly difficult just took time to carefully review the steps in the FSM and follow along. I completed the job over about 4 hours 2 for disassembly on day 1, then another 2 for assembly after 3 cups of coffee in the AM the next day.

Let me know if anyone has questions, and I can try to help. I don't login in very often just thought this thread might help someone else.

 

Add me to the list... Bought my 2015 fit used from a Honda dealership last year (2018) with only 20K miles on it. Just wanted something cheap and reliable for short trips within the city, up to 25K miles now. Last night I started up the car and got all sorts of dashboard lights - took it into the dealership this morning and was told I need to replace all fuel injectors and joint pipe, update system software and replace valve cover gasket/adjust engine valves for $2K+ otherwise my car is not safe to drive due to cylinder misfiring. Guessing this will be my first and last Honda. Powertrain warranty still valid but not covered.

Oh I'm also having the weird VTC actuator start up noise.

 

Great job and thanks for posting this valuable information!

 

Yes indeed - report everything that occurs on your fit to the link above (same as www.recall.gov). Honda has to react to those filings. Also get these issues on your service record under warranty so that if it occurs or get worse Honda is more apt to honor it after the 3 yr / 35K miles.

 

thank you for posting up your detailed experience! this may be helpful for someone who plans to tackle this themselves

 

After a lot of fighting here... I did get some concession at least. First off, they did hear the VTC actuator noise and fixed that under the powertrain warranty. On paper, I was able to get the entire cost of replacing the fuel injectors and joint pipe waived as a goodwill adjustment but I suspect this only worked out because I also agreed to pay for a series of (most likely unnecessary and certainly extremely overpriced) flushes and fluid changes...as well as an overpriced battery change and I also had to pay for an engine valve adjustment that I was told I really should get done along with the fuel injector replacement... Nonetheless, hopefully I did make it out with a (hopefully) fixed car and a substantially smaller bill than I was initially hit with.

 

I just had the fuel injectors replaced on my 2019 EX at 8,700 miles.

I experienced some of the same symptoms as others on this thread. Within the last month I had a bunch of indicator lights and warnings go on simultaneously upon start up. I took it in for service and the Honda dealer said the code indicated it was a cylinder misfiring. They replaced the cylinder they said was misfiring and the indicators/warnings stopped appearing.

2.5 weeks later, the symptoms were back upon start up and I took the car back in. The dealer consulted with a Honda Tech at corporate and upon his advice they replaced the fuel injectors. Crossing my fingers that this solves the problem

I took another user's advice and just submitted the issue here! https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/

 

Excellent - thanks for submitting a complaint to recalls.gov. They shouldn't have replaced the cylinders but replaced the injectors correct? Post your service record so we can see what they did. Tx.

 

Could you use the L15B7 fuel injectors or s2000 injectors as an alternative?

 

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my head hurts after reading all that


it hurt extra trying to figure out the subject line as well

 

I had the lighted dashboard the other day. My 2017 MT EXL is just over 60k miles. The mechanic swapped the 1 and 3 coils and the 1 and 2 spark plugs. I guess to check if the misfire moves. Cylinder 1 misfired. My car still stutters and has some hesitation but I haven't completely lost drive power -- although I am afraid that can still happen. The mechanic thinks if the misfire stays in cylinder 1 then I have a dirty injector.

I bought my car used last year, close to a year ago, anyway. It had 37k miles on it. I drive mostly interstate miles and very little in-town driving.

From what I recall, and maybe it is part of this thread -- the injectors can't be cleaned and need to be replaced. And if they need to be replaced then you have to replace the whole rail.

 

This does sound the same as my situation which was ultimately resolved by replacing the injectors (as well as updating the programmed fuel injection software and adjusting the valves - no idea how useful/necessary these were but they weren't cheap either at the dealership.) I'm sure I've seen some anecdotal evidence around forums that people claim to have resolved the problem by using things like fuel injector cleaner, fuel with enhanced cleaning features, and Sea Foam? I don't know if any of those ideas truly help but I kind of wish I tried before going down a route that ended up costing me a bunch of money (even after some Honda good will adjustments.)