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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 09:10 PM
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Here's a few questions for you. How many tiems did you race the car while in it's break-in period. Did you properly break it in or just drive it hard from day 1. If you only have 5000miles on it. Drive it some more. Mark specifically how many miles you drove before oil dropped a half quart. DO NOT refill your oil. Whenever the check engine or "low oil pressure" light comes on.. drive it to the Honda dealer and tell them the light came on. fix it
I've been really careful with the car...I'm not really one to hit high RPM anyway. I'll definitely keep your suggestion in mind! Thanks!
 
Old Oct 23, 2007 | 09:11 PM
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I've consulted a friend that happens to be an attorney (in training) and he advised there's really not much I can do. The car has to be seen by an authorized technician three times for the same exact issue in order for me to claim "lemon" on the Honda Fit. I can let the dealer have my car and break down the engine. I then have two more visits before calling it a lemon if the problem goes unresolved. There's also the fact that I have to pay $600 in labor costs each time if the dealer states there an issue was not found. It's just too long of a process full of too many holes if you ask me. The lemon law is just not what it's cracked up to be.
I'll say it one more time--

A letter from an attorney to the dealer who is not interested in providing proper customer service and refusing to act on the factory warranty that you paid for in the purchase of your car, informing that company of your intention to seek legal remedy for the lack of response on your clear warranty issue will produce results.

If you get advice from amateurs, or try to find a lawyer out of the phone book, you will only waste time. But it's your car and your problem- handle it any way you want.

The person who thought that the "lemon law" would help you obviously has not read it or had personal experience with it. You don't qualify for legal help under this law--yet--.
 

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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 09:20 PM
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I'll say it one more time--

A letter from an attorney to the dealer who is not interested in providing proper customer service and refusing to act on the factory warranty that you paid for in the purchase of your car, informing that company of your intention to seek legal remedy for the lack of response on your clear warranty issue will produce results.

If you get advice from amateurs, or try to find a lawyer out of the phone book, you will only waste time. But it's your car and your problem- handle it any way you want.
Oh...I'll seek a professional opinion from a licensed attorney once I get the cash. I'm sure the consultation won't cost me anything but the formal letter may run me a few bills.
 
Old Oct 23, 2007 | 09:24 PM
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I've consulted a friend that happens to be an attorney (in training) and he advised there's really not much I can do. The car has to be seen by an authorized technician three times for the same exact issue in order for me to claim "lemon" on the Honda Fit. I can let the dealer have my car and break down the engine. I then have two more visits before calling it a lemon if the problem goes unresolved. There's also the fact that I have to pay $600 in labor costs each time if the dealer states there an issue was not found. It's just too long of a process full of too many holes if you ask me. The lemon law is just not what it's cracked up to be.
THis is correct. First verify the problem and be 100% certain that it is burning this 1/2 quart of oil every fill up of gas. Then have the dealership give you a loaner and have them test drive the car for a week and verify it themselves. THEY SHOULD give you a loaner covered by the dealership you BOUGHT the car from. The Test drive would also be a thing that the service manager can do FREE OF LABOR. (Meaning he drives your car for a week).

After they have seen it with their own eyes at 0 cost to you or them, they will be willing/required to find the problem, and Fix the problem, verifying that after a second round of test drives after work being completed, that the oil burning situation does not exist any longer.

A Brand New car shouldn't burn oil, but I've handed people checks for the price of their car b/c of burning oil in a buyback situation. Just Be Persistent and HAVE IT CHECK OUT!!!

Hopefully they will fix it once and that will be all. (no more headaches for you).
 
Old Oct 23, 2007 | 09:25 PM
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I, for one, would not tolerate the way your dealer is treating you. I once had a problem with a clutch on my Toyota truck and my dealer told me that it was "normal", drove 30 miles to a smaller dealership and they told me that they needed to replace the clutch, and they did for no $$$, under warrant. I recommend that you do the same, keep calling dealerships till you get an answer that you want to hear, even if it is 500 miles away.

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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 09:43 PM
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Not sure if its been posted yet (didnt read everything) but from what Ive been told LemonLaw doesnt apply until the SAME problem happens up to 3 times. Ive seen countless cars get bought back when I worked at Dodge/Jeep. Mainly all the Diesel Libertys.

You deff have a problem. Have you done all the maintenance at the dealer and have proof?
If so the dealer is BY LAW suppose to welcome you with open arms and fix your car. Its ridiculous that they have half the mind to try and make you pay for anything at this point.

I read through and noticed something about $600 per visit? Since they arent finding anything? WRONG!!! At least at my dealer, diag fee is around $30-$70. I know its under $100, No way at $600.
At Dodge they charge $100 diag fee.

How about this..... Go to Carmax, have them write you a check for MSRP since they sell Fits for over MSRP. That means they gave the owners MSRP or close to it. Pay it off, get another one.

I honestly cant believe this. My Mx-6 is an 89; 180,000miles on the head, 65000-70000miles on OEM block, big turbo, blah blah. I dont even burn oil that fast. If anything half a quart every 2 months. Doesnt leak either.
 

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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 10:37 PM
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I've gone into the dealership 3 times so far with my issue of not having enough MPG, so far they have not charged me at all. They told me, as long as they don't find anything modified on the drivetrain (engine/tranny) they wont charge me, but if nothing is wrong, they wont bill me. but will require me to do a phone customer service questionaire about how it all faired out.

So far, my fourth visit is tomorrow morning, and they will be doing an oil change. They told me that normal testing isn't charged, but service fees will be charged for an oil change. if the oil change fixes my problem, to take it up with Jiffy lube and report the problem from Honda to them.
 
Old Oct 23, 2007 | 10:49 PM
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I've gone into the dealership 3 times so far with my issue of not having enough MPG, so far they have not charged me at all. They told me, as long as they don't find anything modified on the drivetrain (engine/tranny) they wont charge me, but if nothing is wrong, they wont bill me. but will require me to do a phone customer service questionaire about how it all faired out.

So far, my fourth visit is tomorrow morning, and they will be doing an oil change. They told me that normal testing isn't charged, but service fees will be charged for an oil change. if the oil change fixes my problem, to take it up with Jiffy lube and report the problem from Honda to them.
The MPG is another (not mentioned) issue I've had with my FIT. I've never gotten better than 22 mpg with my fit. The dealer just told me that it will get better with time...we'll see. As far as the oil burning...I've not been charged a dime so far but the dealer wants to lay the labor costs of breaking down the engine on me if no problem is found. The dealership will file a warranty claim if something is found while breaking down the engine.
 
Old Oct 23, 2007 | 10:52 PM
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omg, I think we both have the same exact problem.... (me remembers going to jiffy lube and being told that my oil level was a little low).....

22mpg is the magic number I'm getting in the city... with 27~29mpg all highway...

Went from san Jose to LA and i had to do 5 fillups, instead of 3 fillups like when I went ot Las Vegas earlier this year.

Hey, keep that Fit going, we need to find these problems.
 
Old Oct 23, 2007 | 10:55 PM
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Not sure if its been posted yet (didnt read everything) but from what Ive been told LemonLaw doesnt apply until the SAME problem happens up to 3 times. Ive seen countless cars get bought back when I worked at Dodge/Jeep. Mainly all the Diesel Libertys.

You deff have a problem. Have you done all the maintenance at the dealer and have proof?
If so the dealer is BY LAW suppose to welcome you with open arms and fix your car. Its ridiculous that they have half the mind to try and make you pay for anything at this point.

I read through and noticed something about $600 per visit? Since they arent finding anything? WRONG!!! At least at my dealer, diag fee is around $30-$70. I know its under $100, No way at $600.
At Dodge they charge $100 diag fee.

How about this..... Go to Carmax, have them write you a check for MSRP since they sell Fits for over MSRP. That means they gave the owners MSRP or close to it. Pay it off, get another one.

I honestly cant believe this. My Mx-6 is an 89; 180,000miles on the head, 65000-70000miles on OEM block, big turbo, blah blah. I dont even burn oil that fast. If anything half a quart every 2 months. Doesnt leak either.
The dealer will charge me $600 in labor costs if they find no issue after breaking down the engine. The charge will be a warranty claim if a problem is found...so no money out of my pocket.
My 2001 Civic never burned a drop of oil the whole time I had it. It had 82,000 miles on it when I traded it in for the Fit.
 
Old Oct 23, 2007 | 10:57 PM
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but it IS a warranty claim, you're BURNING OIL!

jeez, who said you were burning oil? that's the claim. I'll have to ask the dealership tomorrow about the oil change, and ask if it was low, and if it could be burning oil like "someone else on the forums I'm at"
 
Old Oct 23, 2007 | 11:02 PM
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but it IS a warranty claim, you're BURNING OIL!

jeez, who said you were burning oil? that's the claim. I'll have to ask the dealership tomorrow about the oil change, and ask if it was low, and if it could be burning oil like "someone else on the forums I'm at"
That's exactly what I thought but the dealership doesn't see it that way. I'm going to make a appointment with another dealership across town tomorrow to address the oil burning, loss of MPG and leaky interior...yes I said leaky interior (my seatbelt is always wet after it rains). I'll definitely post the outcome and let ya know if this new dealership has a magical fix for the issues.
 
Old Oct 23, 2007 | 11:08 PM
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... wtf.... you have a lemon car my friend... how is the water getting in? seal on the top of your door? damn you have issues like yuou wuld not believe.

if the door isn't leaky, then it's the pillar where the seatbelt is stored (or was that on the passenger side)
 
Old Oct 23, 2007 | 11:20 PM
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... wtf.... you have a lemon car my friend... how is the water getting in? seal on the top of your door? damn you have issues like yuou wuld not believe.

if the door isn't leaky, then it's the pillar where the seatbelt is stored (or was that on the passenger side)
It's the drivers side seat belt. I'm guessing it's coming in from the top of the B pillar somehow. The part of the belt on the outside is completely dry but the part of the belt on the inside is wet...not soaking but damp. I've had numerous other issues in the past that have been fixed by the dealer including a broken driver's seat at 4,000 miles...a spring broke and started poking me in the butt. The car is crap!
 
Old Oct 24, 2007 | 09:04 AM
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1.) First (YOU) verify the problem and be 100% certain that it is burning this 1/2 quart of oil every fill up of gas.
Then make an appointment for a "check up", letting them know at time of phone call you need a loaner car!! (Usually you have to make an appointment ahead of time to get a loaner car, read further and you will see why I say you NEED a loaner car)
a.) THEY SHOULD give you a loaner covered by the dealership you BOUGHT the car from.


2.) Then have the dealership give you a loaner and have them test drive the car for a week and verify it themselves.
a.) The Test drive would also be a thing that the service manager can do FREE OF LABOR. (Meaning he drives your car for a week).


3.)After they have seen it with their own eyes at 0 cost to you or them, they will be required to find the problem, and Fix the problem, or attempt to, at Honda of America's COST!!!


4.) After completion of attempting to Fix the problem, Verifying that after a second round of test drives (by the dealer) after work being completed, that the oil burning situation does not exist any longer will be your and Hondas' attempt #1.

Hopefully they will fix it once and that will be all. (no more headaches for you).


If you have to repeat this 3 times, it would be at no cost to you!! And if so 3 times later still there is a problem, THEN YOU CAN LEMON LAW IT!




 

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Old Oct 24, 2007 | 09:32 AM
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READ THIS

1.) First (YOU) verify the problem and be 100% certain that it is burning this 1/2 quart of oil every fill up of gas.
Then make an appointment for a "check up", letting them know at time of phone call you need a loaner car!! (Usually you have to make an appointment ahead of time to get a loaner car, read further and you will see why I say you NEED a loaner car)
a.) THEY SHOULD give you a loaner covered by the dealership you BOUGHT the car from.


2.) Then have the dealership give you a loaner and have them test drive the car for a week and verify it themselves.
a.) The Test drive would also be a thing that the service manager can do FREE OF LABOR. (Meaning he drives your car for a week).


3.)After they have seen it with their own eyes at 0 cost to you or them, they will be required to find the problem, and Fix the problem, or attempt to, at Honda of America's COST!!!


4.) After completion of attempting to Fix the problem, Verifying that after a second round of test drives (by the dealer) after work being completed, that the oil burning situation does not exist any longer will be your and Hondas' attempt #1.

Hopefully they will fix it once and that will be all. (no more headaches for you).


If you have to repeat this 3 times, it would be at no cost to you!! And if so 3 times later still there is a problem, THEN YOU CAN LEMON LAW IT!




Good news! I got off the phone with a different dealership concerning my issues with the Fit. I told them about the run around I was getting with the other dealership. They told me that breaking down the engine was the absolute last resort and there should be no need for doing it at all (it would not be cost effective to do that...they might as well install another engine from Honda). The problem with the mpg and oil burning should be found by simple diagnostic tests...the guy I talked to seem to think the two problems are related to each other somehow. I have a appointment next week so keep your fingers crossed.
 
Old Oct 24, 2007 | 10:05 AM
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Good news! I got off the phone with a different dealership concerning my issues with the Fit. I told them about the run around I was getting with the other dealership. They told me that breaking down the engine was the absolute last resort and there should be no need for doing it at all (it would not be cost effective to do that...they might as well install another engine from Honda). The problem with the mpg and oil burning should be found by simple diagnostic tests...the guy I talked to seem to think the two problems are related to each other somehow. I have a appointment next week so keep your fingers crossed.
That is what I was getting at, let them FIND the problem. Not teardown an engine! If that takes a week, it takes a week at their cost!
 
Old Oct 24, 2007 | 10:29 AM
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Hello,
Look into lemon laws in your state. I believe that the dealer shoud fix it at no charge.
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Old Oct 24, 2007 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by daggonit
Good news! I got off the phone with a different dealership concerning my issues with the Fit. I told them about the run around I was getting with the other dealership. They told me that breaking down the engine was the absolute last resort and there should be no need for doing it at all (it would not be cost effective to do that...they might as well install another engine from Honda). The problem with the mpg and oil burning should be found by simple diagnostic tests...the guy I talked to seem to think the two problems are related to each other somehow. I have a appointment next week so keep your fingers crossed.
Yep, NEVER allow one dealership dictate what needs to be done. You go for a 2nd opinion for a medical diagnoses at times, especially for important problems, same with your car.
 
Old Oct 24, 2007 | 11:38 AM
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Manxman is right,,,your car IS BROKEN,,,
loosing that much oil for no apparent reason is a tale tale sign something is wrong,,,the fact that your dealer is so lame as not to be able to find the problem is reason enough to go somewhere else,,
A competent mechanic can trouble shoot the cause and find a reason for the oil buring/leaking. You don't need a rocket scientest, just a good mechanic,,,find one and your troubles are over. When you have an "authorized service technition" (that dos'nt mean JUST the dealer) report to HOnda what they have FOUND,,,, Honda will fix it,,,,,
the real problem is your dealer GO ELSWHERE MY FRIEND,,,
Bada-bing,,,
hope your troubles are going away,,,,let use know hoe it turns out
 



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