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T1R B-Max Intake Installed...worst ever MPG!

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Old Jul 26, 2008 | 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by mahout
Was your manifold installation done well" Were the ports matched? Gaskets trimmed and flushed? Was the manifold polished? These things have a monster effect on the air flow. The amount of air and fuel are established by the cylinders sucking in on the intake stroke. The amount of air/fuel that actually gets in is set by the resistance of flow into the cylinders, primarily the intake valves but also the manifold flow resistance. If your manifold is not matched, flowed and ported the engine may have to work harder to produce the needed power, whatever that may be. And thats poorer mpg. You say increased performance. the more power the less mpg. And...
And of course there's always injector problemstoo.
Out of curiosity did the manifold supplier claim more power and nothing of economy? Many manifolds designed for increased power with better flow at max rpm actually don't flow as well at lesser rpm; manifold design is a very tricky excercise. Your mpg easily can be the result of all of these.
Seems I remember some SS racer manifolds that we flowed didn't get as good street mileage. Wish I had documented that but then it didn't matter.
Last, but not least, you should go back to the high test gas for a fair assessment.

Good luck.
I didn't change my manifold, I changed my intake and installed it myself, it was super easy and I used Fit of RAGE's DIY. My car performs better and gets better MPG since I installed the intake.

My MPG is above average 36-39 minimum 35 with high octane, and pitfalls to <30MPG with low test. Honestly I'm so tired of switching gas I'm just going to stick with high test.


Originally Posted by jvm051
Octane boost is a complete waste, and not only that, it can do damage to your car. My previous car was a 2006 Mustang GT. I had just installed a custom Tune from a mail order speed shop on my car, and had detonation. So I decided to put in some 104+, and I got a CEL. I brought the car to a local dyno, and after a single run he noticed that the spark was going out at higher RPM's (misfire) He pulled the plugs, and found a residue that was the same color as the octane boost. Popped new plugs in, and the misfire was gone. My O2 sensors were also taking longer to go into closed loop as well, which may also have been from the octane boost gumming them up. Do a google search on Octane Boost, it is junk. Most of them don't even raise the octane a single point. As far as using Higher octane than what is needed, all this does is waste money. Higher the octane the slower the burn, so unburnt fuel is being wasted through the tailpipe.
104+ is garbage, I use StP, it is the only Octane booster that actually raises octane, it raises 1 point per 15 gallons and has no residue, it actually has engine cleaning additives. I've used it in countless cars without problem, and it's inexpensive.
 

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Old Jul 26, 2008 | 12:07 PM
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Like I stated before your test is fallacious if you don't reset the ECU. You've been running premium too long for the engine to relearn what to do at lower octane...
 
Old Jul 26, 2008 | 09:34 PM
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Does anyone else actually have this installed? I'm looking at buying one and I want to have more than one person's opinion about how it effect mileage. I looked around in the mods section, but they're only interested in power and sound. which btw they claim it is very good at.
 
Old Jul 26, 2008 | 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TrickyPantz
Does anyone else actually have this installed? I'm looking at buying one and I want to have more than one person's opinion about how it effect mileage. I looked around in the mods section, but they're only interested in power and sound. which btw they claim it is very good at.
It went up noticeably 1-3MPG. It sounds like you have an exhaust up front and definitely improved acceleration, by how much I don't know exactly but I'm glad I got it.

My only gripe is that mine had carbon fiber shavings inside when I got it, but we just duck taped the holes and filled the intake with soapy water and brass BB's as an abrasive and shook it for 10 minutes, cleaned it thoroughly, and installed.

I would do the same with yours, you definitely don't want carbon fiber shavings to get in the engine.
 
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 12:07 AM
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not sure about the high octane rating... I got more miles per gallon using 87 instead of 89 or 91. I do a lot of weekend driving from L.A. to fresno every weekend. Max I got on shell 87 octane was 45+ mpg. Of course, I was cruising it at 65-75 every now and then.



Originally Posted by TekXoID
So I've been back to premium for the last 3-4 fillups since my 26MPG blues, and I've gotten:

I don't believe it's the higher octane rating, but lower grade just gets consistently worse mileage for me, so I don't know what to think, I'm just going to continue using it.
 
Old Oct 10, 2008 | 12:22 AM
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I don't see how higher octane is going to give you more miles per gallon. The ecu was tuned to run on 87. Octane is just a measure of resistance to detonation and higher octane ratings means it just burns slower then a lower octane rating. If you put a higher octane that 87 in your fit, the ecu will automatically retard the timing to match the slower burning, higher octane fuel.
Actually, the Fit is tuned to a ''Minimum of 87 octane OR higher'' as the manual states... It probably have a knock sensor so the car's ECU will retard timing (fire the plugs closer from TDC!) if you use 87 fuel and add some advance with ''better'' fuels (farther in ''Advance'' from TDC!)... I personally do more milleage with premium on my Fit, but not so much... something like 20 - 30 negligible kilometers...

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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TekXoID
So I got a T1R B-Max Intake, sounds great, definite performance gain, love it!
I did the Idle relearn after installing it, but after being on for half an hour the fan didn't come on at all so I hope that's not part of my problem, it does seem to be running fine.

What I don't love is the drop to an AWFUL 25MPG from my average 35.5MPG so far (I have a Sport AT with 1500 Miles).

I have been driving the same, minus 3-4 times flooring it to test out the new intake.
The only difference that could have caused this MPG change that I can think of, other than the intake, is that right before I installed it I filled up on 87.

I know everyone is going to argue about this, but I usually use 94+Octane booster which costs me around $1.00/gal. because my dad works for sunoco and our whole family gets a flat discount, so I don't care about the extra cost involved with the higher octane.

A few of my friends with stick shift Fits use high octane too, and compared to any other gas, they consistently get 3-6MPG more with it, findings made on very consistent calculated and scangauged testing.
So, I am wondering if it's the low octane that I started using all of the sudden, or the new intake, or both.

My understanding with the intake is that more air, more gas = better performance and less fuel economy, right?

I didn't think it would be this drastic, is there any other factors I should take into account that could have caused this change in fuel economy?

My Fit is pretty standard other than the intake and dead pedal, but I'll take some pictures today anyway.

Thanks for your input guys.
Matched the ports?
Flow teated the manifold?
Trimmed the gaskets and matched profiles?
Done a cylinder pressure test? At wide open throttle and cranking speed only the tester should show 142 psi or more. The more the better. If thats low your manifold isn't.

Using more gas is usually a function of the engine working harder to get the air-fuel mixture into the cylinders or a vast increase in air flow from more rpm but that usually involves camshaft/valve changes. Remember the engine is an air pump til it ignites the mixture. Perhaps the manifold was designed to flow more air at high rpm and that can cause the wave acoustics to interfere with the flow at lower rpm. Just as all exhausts aren't the same, all intakes aren't either.
PS if there is greater air flow thenmore gas will be consumed but the cylinders generally pull in just enough air-fuel mix to fill the cylinder and there's not much increase in air flow involved so the bmep doesnt change much overall.
 
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