SWAP or TURBO ????
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Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 117
From: Parrish, FL
don't kid yourself.
Would you pay 25k for a k-swapped Fit? Hell no. for way less than $25k you could buy a 350z and turbocharge it. 400whp easily, with RWD.
You may think it's easy to sell a modded car private party, but you're wrong, unless it's a supra, built motor twin turbo 350z, or rx7, cars along those lines. The people with the cash to buy modded cars aren't looking for modified honda Fits.
there's a 2000 ITR with built k-swap turbo putting down over 550whp, the guy is asking $28k for it. And he'd get it before you got 25k for a K-swapped fit. But he has no bites.
Would you pay 25k for a k-swapped Fit? Hell no. for way less than $25k you could buy a 350z and turbocharge it. 400whp easily, with RWD.
You may think it's easy to sell a modded car private party, but you're wrong, unless it's a supra, built motor twin turbo 350z, or rx7, cars along those lines. The people with the cash to buy modded cars aren't looking for modified honda Fits.
there's a 2000 ITR with built k-swap turbo putting down over 550whp, the guy is asking $28k for it. And he'd get it before you got 25k for a K-swapped fit. But he has no bites.
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,316
From: Chicago, IL
It all depends on what you want out of your Fit.
If you just want raw power, straight line speed, a swap would probably be best. A stock K20 will put out more power than a Turbo L15 and you can always build up from there. The downside is that the engine is heavier and, from what I understand, K20 fits have a tendency to nose-dive. You could try removing other items from the car to offset the increased weight, but that would only change your power:weight ratio, NOT your front:rear weight distribution. I just don't see there being enough things in the front of the car that can be removed in order to maintain that. Also, don't forget that you have to actually cut away at part of the frame just to make it all fit...
If you want to get more power without sacrificing the weight balance of the car, handling characteristics, etc... A Turbo or SC sounds like the way to go. You get good power out of the box, and maintain the handling characteristics of the car. Also, as previously stated, FI kits can be removed so you can put your Fit back to stock for an easy sale.
I'd personally prefer to go SC. I like the direct, linear response of a supercharger over turbochargers.
If you just want raw power, straight line speed, a swap would probably be best. A stock K20 will put out more power than a Turbo L15 and you can always build up from there. The downside is that the engine is heavier and, from what I understand, K20 fits have a tendency to nose-dive. You could try removing other items from the car to offset the increased weight, but that would only change your power:weight ratio, NOT your front:rear weight distribution. I just don't see there being enough things in the front of the car that can be removed in order to maintain that. Also, don't forget that you have to actually cut away at part of the frame just to make it all fit...
If you want to get more power without sacrificing the weight balance of the car, handling characteristics, etc... A Turbo or SC sounds like the way to go. You get good power out of the box, and maintain the handling characteristics of the car. Also, as previously stated, FI kits can be removed so you can put your Fit back to stock for an easy sale.
I'd personally prefer to go SC. I like the direct, linear response of a supercharger over turbochargers.
I agree with DrKeslo... i would not swap it because you will mess up the handling of the car... FI particularly the KWSC seems to be the way to go... also the KWSC wond kill your gas mileage... siphon did an article on it and i belive they only lost 1MPG compared to stock.... you have to run premium but still its a good deal if i were looking to boost peformance id go KWSC
IMHO
That K swap will cost more than 4 grand.
Over 180 hp, which can easily be done with forced induction, on this car is borderline pushing the balance of the vehicle. It can be the most cost effective and practical power you can get.
Adding 100+ pounds in front of the firewall to get 190 at the wheels
just won't drive the same.
It is one thing to swap motors in a chassis that is essentially made for the motor desired but when the motor doesn't belong in the chassis, it is never an ideal setup. Even with the extra cost of custom suspension tuning.
That K swap will cost more than 4 grand.
Over 180 hp, which can easily be done with forced induction, on this car is borderline pushing the balance of the vehicle. It can be the most cost effective and practical power you can get.
Adding 100+ pounds in front of the firewall to get 190 at the wheels
just won't drive the same.
It is one thing to swap motors in a chassis that is essentially made for the motor desired but when the motor doesn't belong in the chassis, it is never an ideal setup. Even with the extra cost of custom suspension tuning.
Turbo is the way to go. There is actually a guy with a 405whp Turbo Fit. Can be found here https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/fit-...turbo-fit.html
Now as Swap vs bolt on Turbo, Turbo is easier, less money to install, no need to move brake lines, cut frames, etc etc. Sure it's less hp to start with, but thats only at the given PSI range. We can handle 10psi safely. Swap, man you can add a turbo, thats even more money haha.
Now as Swap vs bolt on Turbo, Turbo is easier, less money to install, no need to move brake lines, cut frames, etc etc. Sure it's less hp to start with, but thats only at the given PSI range. We can handle 10psi safely. Swap, man you can add a turbo, thats even more money haha.
i prefer boosting (kwsc or t1r turbo or hks turbo)
its just all preference. do you want to straight line or handle well? aj-racing prove that a turbo fit can get better times then a swap k-swap fit.
its just all preference. do you want to straight line or handle well? aj-racing prove that a turbo fit can get better times then a swap k-swap fit.
I found a K20A2 (Type-S) complete for $2500 online. Inventory Item Detail
I might call these guys and ask them a couple questions about this...$2500 is half of what the complete usually costs.
I might call these guys and ask them a couple questions about this...$2500 is half of what the complete usually costs.
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Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 89
From: Canada eh!
IMHO
That K swap will cost more than 4 grand.
Over 180 hp, which can easily be done with forced induction, on this car is borderline pushing the balance of the vehicle. It can be the most cost effective and practical power you can get.
Adding 100+ pounds in front of the firewall to get 190 at the wheels
just won't drive the same.
It is one thing to swap motors in a chassis that is essentially made for the motor desired but when the motor doesn't belong in the chassis, it is never an ideal setup. Even with the extra cost of custom suspension tuning.
That K swap will cost more than 4 grand.
Over 180 hp, which can easily be done with forced induction, on this car is borderline pushing the balance of the vehicle. It can be the most cost effective and practical power you can get.
Adding 100+ pounds in front of the firewall to get 190 at the wheels
just won't drive the same.
It is one thing to swap motors in a chassis that is essentially made for the motor desired but when the motor doesn't belong in the chassis, it is never an ideal setup. Even with the extra cost of custom suspension tuning.
Hasn't anyone read about the Fits with K motors in them? Good for nothing but the drag strip... This will drastically change the handling of the car. Not only did they say it was hard to handle @ the track but downright dangerous!!! Go for boost!
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Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 117
From: Parrish, FL
meh. I would just find another car to modify.
for example, my fit is the DD. I'll eventually throw a turbo kit on my s2000. the internals can safely handle 450whp all day long, bone stock. That's more than double what it puts down from the factory. Before then, I'll have upgraded the suspension and helped the brake system out with braided lines, motul fluid, pads and rotors. And at that point, with the turbo setup, I'll be able to go out to sebring and wipe the floor with vipers and z06 corvettes.
Sure, a turbo, 170whp Fit sounds nice....but 14.3 at 96? Meh. Not that impressive if you ask me. Even roadracing, that's not enough power to really be competitive with many other cars. I know i/h/e SI's (new ones) running low 14s at 96-98mph. And they have a lot of room to go mod-wise......plus they handle incredibly well.
Then again, it's your car. Mod for you.
I'm just sharing kinda what I've learned from my own experience. There are some cars that are just not worth throwing that much money into in the long run.
for example, my fit is the DD. I'll eventually throw a turbo kit on my s2000. the internals can safely handle 450whp all day long, bone stock. That's more than double what it puts down from the factory. Before then, I'll have upgraded the suspension and helped the brake system out with braided lines, motul fluid, pads and rotors. And at that point, with the turbo setup, I'll be able to go out to sebring and wipe the floor with vipers and z06 corvettes.
Sure, a turbo, 170whp Fit sounds nice....but 14.3 at 96? Meh. Not that impressive if you ask me. Even roadracing, that's not enough power to really be competitive with many other cars. I know i/h/e SI's (new ones) running low 14s at 96-98mph. And they have a lot of room to go mod-wise......plus they handle incredibly well.
Then again, it's your car. Mod for you.
I'm just sharing kinda what I've learned from my own experience. There are some cars that are just not worth throwing that much money into in the long run.
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Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 214
From: Arcadia, CA
I plan to throw a turbo kit and mod my Fit a little bit more just because I can. It's my daily driver and 130-170whp sounds really nice since I find it way too slow as is. I also wouldn't mind losing the 2 or so mpg cuz 35mpg is way better than what my 600whp 350Z track car gets.
What I'm getting at is sometimes we modify cars not cuz we want to be competitive at the track but we want a bit more than what the car offers right now. Yes, I could've gotten a SI to begin with, but it can't carry all my gear or equipment for work or vacations like the Fit can. Yes, I could've gotten a Mazdaspeed 3 but the cheaper Fit and reliability was too appealing.
Anyway, this was a thread about doing a K20 swap or bolting on a turbo kit so please start your own thread regarding your preaching on other cars are better to modify.
What I'm getting at is sometimes we modify cars not cuz we want to be competitive at the track but we want a bit more than what the car offers right now. Yes, I could've gotten a SI to begin with, but it can't carry all my gear or equipment for work or vacations like the Fit can. Yes, I could've gotten a Mazdaspeed 3 but the cheaper Fit and reliability was too appealing.
Anyway, this was a thread about doing a K20 swap or bolting on a turbo kit so please start your own thread regarding your preaching on other cars are better to modify.
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Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 117
From: Parrish, FL
I plan to throw a turbo kit and mod my Fit a little bit more just because I can. It's my daily driver and 130-170whp sounds really nice since I find it way too slow as is. I also wouldn't mind losing the 2 or so mpg cuz 35mpg is way better than what my 600whp 350Z track car gets.
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FWIW, my 400whp turbo 350z got 25+mpg highway. Not bad for a car that runs 12 second 1/4's on street tires.