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#21
Yeah, in NYC I think most people would go for it. Here, driving is mostly 40-45 mph off the highway, and filled with pickups. Seriously, the number of men to women in those things around here has got to be a majority men. Now we have this rental program where you can get a smart for a day, or a few hours. Those I see more diversity in because it's obviously more of a tool that anyone might need.
#22
I suppose I can call the Si a chick car, my sister decided after driving the fit that she wanted to drive a stick, well doing much of her driving learning on a crotch rocket she bought an Si.
CRV may be a soccer mom's suburban grocery getter, but strap on some snow tires and in the dead of winter you have a stoplight drag queen! lol
I'd have to vote either the HHR or New Beetle as top chick cars. No real man will drive with a tachometer as small as these two have. Seriously, it looks like a stopwatch!
CRV may be a soccer mom's suburban grocery getter, but strap on some snow tires and in the dead of winter you have a stoplight drag queen! lol
I'd have to vote either the HHR or New Beetle as top chick cars. No real man will drive with a tachometer as small as these two have. Seriously, it looks like a stopwatch!
#23
as I have mentioned before and on another thread on how SUVs have been marketed and geared for women... well here's what a quick google on statistics women type car... got HEELS on WHEELS and goes to prove my theory
maybe 2008 article but still an on going epidemic
Welcome to Heels on Wheels: Cars for Women
HEELS ON WHEELS: KATRINA'S 2008 TOP 10 VEHICLES FOR FEMALE DRIVERS
and as for the trend I'm seeing, being that I'm in the home health care business (lots of driving)
men = getting into smaller cars
women = getting into bigger cars
and for an added twist... more old people are in a FIT (newer FITs too) and Hyundai accent.
maybe 2008 article but still an on going epidemic
Welcome to Heels on Wheels: Cars for Women
HEELS ON WHEELS: KATRINA'S 2008 TOP 10 VEHICLES FOR FEMALE DRIVERS
and as for the trend I'm seeing, being that I'm in the home health care business (lots of driving)
men = getting into smaller cars
women = getting into bigger cars
and for an added twist... more old people are in a FIT (newer FITs too) and Hyundai accent.
#25
how can a Smart car not be a girlie car??? It's from SWATCH... a swatch-mobile and add Mercedes in the mix and you have the perfect Barbie car on earth... well sorta (coz FIAT already has a Barbie 500)... make that the perfect HELLO KITTY car on earth!!!
for $1,700 Do Hello Kitty graphics on Smart cars go too far? - Drive On: A conversation about the cars and trucks we drive - USATODAY.com
Fiat 500 | The Best Car: New Fiat 500 Barbie @ Fiat Marylebone (London)
would love to see both cars on track
for $1,700 Do Hello Kitty graphics on Smart cars go too far? - Drive On: A conversation about the cars and trucks we drive - USATODAY.com
Fiat 500 | The Best Car: New Fiat 500 Barbie @ Fiat Marylebone (London)
would love to see both cars on track
A pink paint job, girly/Hello Kitty/Barbie graphics, or having women primary drive the car wouldn't really sway my view point on whether its a man's or woman's car (again, judging by the car's body lines).
For example: The AAR Plymouth 'Cuda can be perceived by many people as a man's car...but how about in Panther Pink?
Sure, it may not be the most macho of colors but (to me) that 'Cuda is still a guy's car deep down regardless of the color.
#27
As in Geoffrey the Giraffe (Toys R Us)? I don't think so, I just happened to find this avatar when googling something the other day.
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#28
A pink paint job, girly/Hello Kitty/Barbie graphics, or having women primary drive the car wouldn't really sway my view point on whether its a man's or woman's car (again, judging by the car's body lines).
For example: The AAR Plymouth 'Cuda can be perceived by many people as a man's car...but how about in Panther Pink?
Sure, it may not be the most macho of colors but (to me) that 'Cuda is still a guy's car deep down regardless of the color.
For example: The AAR Plymouth 'Cuda can be perceived by many people as a man's car...but how about in Panther Pink?
Sure, it may not be the most macho of colors but (to me) that 'Cuda is still a guy's car deep down regardless of the color.
#29
I don't know about all these low cars being coined "chick cars"
From "High and Mighty," by Keith Bradsher:
Generally speaking, a low, nimble car just doesn't scream chick to me. It does threaten the male ego with the fear of a car that is not powerful being a threat to virility. Four doors, lots of creature comforts, and a feeling of security, together with a high seat, seem to be the true markers of a Chick car. Actual offroad abilities of SUVs mean nothing - no wonder we've seen so many SUV bodies bolted onto the pedestrian platforms of cars like the Corolla and Civic (RAV4 and CR-V respectively).
Not specifically gender related, but still fascinating from the same book:
The book is a bit outdated, printed in 2002 when gas was cheap and largely analyzing trends from the 90s when gas was practically free, but its still a great read.
From "High and Mighty," by Keith Bradsher:
Women are the main decision-makers in slighly over half of all auto purchases, a shift from a generation ago, when men played a greater role in automobile shopping even for their spouses. This has also influenced SUV design. Jeep's research showed as early as the 1970s that many women are much more likely than men to prefer vehicles which allow them to sit high off the road. Extensive recent research by other automakers has confirmed this trend.
The result of this gender gap is visible in vehicles like the new Jeep Liberty, which is aimed at women buyers to a much greater extent than earlier jeeps. The Liberty is supposed to look a lot like a World War II jeep -- it is marketed as "an American hero." But the Liberty is nearly a foot taller than the original wartime Jeeps. "The real key for women was to sit high," said William Chapin, the former Jeep marketing executive. "The new Jeep Liberty feels like i'm driving around on stilts, and there's a very important marketing reason for that."
The result of this gender gap is visible in vehicles like the new Jeep Liberty, which is aimed at women buyers to a much greater extent than earlier jeeps. The Liberty is supposed to look a lot like a World War II jeep -- it is marketed as "an American hero." But the Liberty is nearly a foot taller than the original wartime Jeeps. "The real key for women was to sit high," said William Chapin, the former Jeep marketing executive. "The new Jeep Liberty feels like i'm driving around on stilts, and there's a very important marketing reason for that."
Not specifically gender related, but still fascinating from the same book:
"Nissan has found that drivers in Europe and Asia typically have very different attitudes toward vehicle safety from American drivers. Europeans and Asians tend to associate safety with a nimble vehicle with excellent brakes that can swerve or stop quickly so as to avoid an accident entirely, said Jerry P. Hirshberg, Nissan's recently retired president of Noth American design. Americans tend to have less confidence in their driving skills and assume that crashes are inevitable, so they have gravitated instead to tanklike vehicles that will protect occupents even if they plow into another vehicle. Buyers of sport utilities seem to be especially American in this regard, Hirshberg added.
"When Europeans think about safety, they think about a light, agile car," he said. "The American image of safety is put a tank around me, get as much much mass around as possible and let Isaac Newton work his magic."
"When Europeans think about safety, they think about a light, agile car," he said. "The American image of safety is put a tank around me, get as much much mass around as possible and let Isaac Newton work his magic."
#30
Like said in my previous post, I'm just voicing my opinion on whether I view *insert car* as a man or woman's car by its body lines. Certain sticker, graphics, decals, paint schemes, etc. won't really sway my view.
#31
Jetta a girl car? Yeah, over on that other forum we consider a Mk IV Jetta with the 2.slow and a slushbox to be the "Sorority Edition." My 03 GLI with 24V VR6 and 6MT, not so much. I could see Vanina Ickx driving one, but that's okay.
#32
Re: Occam
I'm inclined to agree with that passage you cited about American vs European/Asian drivers.
It reminds me of what I read on tv.com that a "pro racer" said in regards to "Americanizing" Top Gear for the US. He basically said that Europeans don't like big engines (he mentioned V8), where it's an American thing. All I could think of was "has this guy seen Top Gear?" Top Gear UK loves big engines, when they're put to use, not wasted like here in the US. They've riproared on the track with V6s, 8s, 10s, 12s and the production monster Veyron with 16. Oh, they mess with 4 cylinders too, sometimes. The thing I notice about the cars Top Gear UK likes... they aren't just straight line monsters, the like hairpin turns.
I'm inclined to agree with that passage you cited about American vs European/Asian drivers.
It reminds me of what I read on tv.com that a "pro racer" said in regards to "Americanizing" Top Gear for the US. He basically said that Europeans don't like big engines (he mentioned V8), where it's an American thing. All I could think of was "has this guy seen Top Gear?" Top Gear UK loves big engines, when they're put to use, not wasted like here in the US. They've riproared on the track with V6s, 8s, 10s, 12s and the production monster Veyron with 16. Oh, they mess with 4 cylinders too, sometimes. The thing I notice about the cars Top Gear UK likes... they aren't just straight line monsters, the like hairpin turns.
#33
Re: Occam
I'm inclined to agree with that passage you cited about American vs European/Asian drivers.
It reminds me of what I read on tv.com that a "pro racer" said in regards to "Americanizing" Top Gear for the US. He basically said that Europeans don't like big engines (he mentioned V8), where it's an American thing. All I could think of was "has this guy seen Top Gear?" Top Gear UK loves big engines, when they're put to use, not wasted like here in the US. They've riproared on the track with V6s, 8s, 10s, 12s and the production monster Veyron with 16. Oh, they mess with 4 cylinders too, sometimes. The thing I notice about the cars Top Gear UK likes... they aren't just straight line monsters, the like hairpin turns.
I'm inclined to agree with that passage you cited about American vs European/Asian drivers.
It reminds me of what I read on tv.com that a "pro racer" said in regards to "Americanizing" Top Gear for the US. He basically said that Europeans don't like big engines (he mentioned V8), where it's an American thing. All I could think of was "has this guy seen Top Gear?" Top Gear UK loves big engines, when they're put to use, not wasted like here in the US. They've riproared on the track with V6s, 8s, 10s, 12s and the production monster Veyron with 16. Oh, they mess with 4 cylinders too, sometimes. The thing I notice about the cars Top Gear UK likes... they aren't just straight line monsters, the like hairpin turns.
In Nebraska, and many midwestern states, the lanes are wide. Even rural county roads can be expected to have 12 foot lanes and wide shoulders. Parking spaces are huge. Garages are huge. Fuel is cheap. Meanwhile, the road surface is often poor - if it's asphalt, it wears away quickly... if it's concrete, it's finished in such a way that you have constant rebounding on expansion joints. There are about 5 curves in the state, and I think four are in one cloverleaf!
Wide-open distances, no real constraint on vehicle size, cheap fuel, and not much excitement to be found in any part of driving other than straight-line acceleration. Expansion joints make a long wheelbase with soft suspension desireable, lots of time spent at highway speeds make a strong engine with tall gears preferable, and the opportunities for even a full size car by 1960's standards to be inconvenient are minimal.
Most of the time I lived there, I had a GMC Sonoma extended cap. It had a 122 inch wheelbase, and was over 200 inches long overall. I never had the slightest inkling of a problem with the size. I never once thought, "Man, I wish this thing could carve corners." There were no corners to carve. I bought the Element while I was there, and thought the handling was great. It's not so much that many Americans, especially in flyover-land don't appreciate Euro style cars with revvy engines and responsive suspension because they are boorish or dumb - they simply have no opportunity to experience them in an environment in which they shine.
Here in Cali, with twisty mountain roads, narrow side-streets, tight parking, parallel parking everywhere, and public-highways that double as driver's fun-land (Big Sur) a funky little hatchback like the Fit is far more enjoyable and engaging.
Last edited by Occam; 11-21-2010 at 10:54 PM.
#36
Coming from a neighboring state Colorado--I can say this about Nebraska--it had the nicest roadside rest stops of any state on my trip EAST.
Illinois had the worst rest stops mainly since most of them were CLOSED...
Illinois had the worst rest stops mainly since most of them were CLOSED...
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