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150 and 200 hp CRZ's

Old Jan 4, 2011 | 08:07 AM
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200hp in this day and age is still very weak.

they need to do 250hp+ minimum, 0-60 in the sub-6sec to be considered sporty.
Its not the hp but the hp (really torque) per pound that gets lower 0-60 times. A CRZ without the batteries and pushing with 200 hp certainly should get sub 6 second times. My 2200 lb 180 hp CRX SiR easily does, in fact, more like 5.5 seconds.
 
Old Jan 4, 2011 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by mahout
Its not the hp but the hp (really torque) per pound that gets lower 0-60 times.
i know that mahout. i was using the number as a general reference.

but you do have a point about the weight savings... how much do those batteries weight? 200lbs? basically 0.1 sec improvement per 100lbs.
 
Old Jan 4, 2011 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan
i know that mahout. i was using the number as a general reference.

but you do have a point about the weight savings... how much do those batteries weight? 200lbs? basically 0.1 sec improvement per 100lbs.

Good point. I suspect the weight between 100 and 200 lb but really have no idea. I think the CRZ could easily break 6 seconds weighing about 2400 lb and with 200 hp.
 
Old Jan 4, 2011 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by hayden
I would be surprised if a 200hp CR-Z made it stateside unless the Si were a lot more car. The 150hp model, I could see that happening. Not sure what the projected vs. real sales are of these in the US, but I sure don't see many.
yeah I see your point. It seems like honda is falling behind in the performance in comparison to other makes. Also what is the pricing on the top model cr-z and how much more would a "beefed up" model at to the current price?
 
Old Jan 4, 2011 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by mahout
Good point. I suspect the weight between 100 and 200 lb but really have no idea. I think the CRZ could easily break 6 seconds weighing about 2400 lb and with 200 hp.
hummm.... ok.. okay then. we'll have to see then. slightly more interested now.
 
Old Jan 4, 2011 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan
hummm.... ok.. okay then. we'll have to see then. slightly more interested now.
Gearing, traction and suspension will make all the difference.

If we have to make two shifts (1-2, 2-3) that will really hurt 0-60 times like in the Fit. Even with 200hp.

Maybe they will give this one IRS like the old Si's that tripod around corners like a little terrier taking a leak on a fire hydrant.
 
Old Jan 4, 2011 | 03:37 PM
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The HONDATA reflash that is part of the KWSC high boost package resets the rev limiter to activate at 7100 RPM and that is at about 62 MPH in second gear... For some reason mine revs to 7200.
 
Old Jan 4, 2011 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by hayden
I would be surprised if a 200hp CR-Z made it stateside unless the Si were a lot more car. The 150hp model, I could see that happening. Not sure what the projected vs. real sales are of these in the US, but I sure don't see many.

Perhaps you could compare with the S2000, which is now discontinued but legal in the US. Could it be the S2000 is replaced by a 200 hp CRZ? Makes sense. It might be competitive in several SCCA, IMSA race classes.
The market for a 200 hp CRZ surely exceeds that of the S2000.
 
Old Jan 4, 2011 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by mahout
Perhaps you could compare with the S2000, which is now discontinued but legal in the US. Could it be the S2000 is replaced by a 200 hp CRZ? Makes sense. It might be competitive in several SCCA, IMSA race classes.
The market for a 200 hp CRZ surely exceeds that of the S2000.
The CRX that the styling of the CRZ replicates leads me to believe it could well be what becomes the car that will be purchased to use in competition.... As a two seater there isn't much of a reason to purchase it for anything else.
 
Old Jan 4, 2011 | 05:11 PM
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After HONDA canceled and dropped the CIVIC production... this is just a normal move for them.
 
Old Jan 4, 2011 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mahout
Perhaps you could compare with the S2000, which is now discontinued but legal in the US. Could it be the S2000 is replaced by a 200 hp CRZ? Makes sense. It might be competitive in several SCCA, IMSA race classes.
The market for a 200 hp CRZ surely exceeds that of the S2000.
This thought crossed my mind. There is no performance car in Honda's lineup. Convertibles aren't for everyone, and the hardcore s2k people put hardtops on them. It would be a smart move. A FWD one, but smart considering the circumstances.
 
Old Jan 4, 2011 | 06:12 PM
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If I was young, dumb, with need for a practical car with more seats and doors I wouldn't be able to pass it up.... I'm old, still dumb, have a Fit that is fun and very practical..... If it is going to be a high performance two seater I am buying it is going to also have handle bars and less than four wheels.
 

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