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Supercharged
There. It can be done.
FINALLY they have made the CRZ appropriately sporty. This level of power, by the way - something above 160hp - is about the minimum for anyone to consider this a car with performance aspirations. Stupidly, they still "haven't decided" if they'll make it, and because Honda has never sold a supercharged car, I wouldn't be surprised if the back down despite this looking production ready.
Honda HPD Supercharged CR-Z Concept is the one we've been longing for
While the mechanicals would have a good chance to attach to the Fit correctly, the ECU is (given my developing understanding of microcontrollers) likely completely different from the Fit because it has to coordinate the actions of many more systems. If I had to make a wild guess, I would say that the CRZ leverages the same basic ECU hardware as any Insight or Civic Hybrid model (with modified programming to match the different components it has to control), while the Fit would be a simpler, less expensive unit with fewer I/Os. In other words - this won't be plug and play for us. Of course, that's all an educated guess rather than a certainty.
In any case, it hardly matters - superchargers have a long history of being desirable for the aftermarket but too expensive for most retrofitters. It's a lot easier to get someone to pony up an additional 30$/mo for a performance bump with a warranty than it is to ask an additional $4000 for a bunch of go-faster parts they'll have to install on their own!
Discuss :P
FINALLY they have made the CRZ appropriately sporty. This level of power, by the way - something above 160hp - is about the minimum for anyone to consider this a car with performance aspirations. Stupidly, they still "haven't decided" if they'll make it, and because Honda has never sold a supercharged car, I wouldn't be surprised if the back down despite this looking production ready.
Honda HPD Supercharged CR-Z Concept is the one we've been longing for
While the mechanicals would have a good chance to attach to the Fit correctly, the ECU is (given my developing understanding of microcontrollers) likely completely different from the Fit because it has to coordinate the actions of many more systems. If I had to make a wild guess, I would say that the CRZ leverages the same basic ECU hardware as any Insight or Civic Hybrid model (with modified programming to match the different components it has to control), while the Fit would be a simpler, less expensive unit with fewer I/Os. In other words - this won't be plug and play for us. Of course, that's all an educated guess rather than a certainty.
In any case, it hardly matters - superchargers have a long history of being desirable for the aftermarket but too expensive for most retrofitters. It's a lot easier to get someone to pony up an additional 30$/mo for a performance bump with a warranty than it is to ask an additional $4000 for a bunch of go-faster parts they'll have to install on their own!
Discuss :P
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From reading(skimming) the article...it sounded like they just dropped the hybrid bits from the car and it was basically running a supercharged L15...
How to reconcile this incongruence in the car's character? Supercharge the sucker and ignore the hybrid aspect altogether, naturally. Check and mate.
The IMA is still on the car.
The CR-Z should have the current EX trim become the base, this HPD package should be a factory offered sport trim for a $3k instead of $4k and an additional warranty option.. and then their should be an Si version with no back seat kicking out S2000 CR-esque horsepower but with the beautiful torque curve boost provides and LSD.
Also.. they need to ditch the supercharger and use a turbo.
When Honda does turbo.. they do it pretty damn well.
The CR-Z should have the current EX trim become the base, this HPD package should be a factory offered sport trim for a $3k instead of $4k and an additional warranty option.. and then their should be an Si version with no back seat kicking out S2000 CR-esque horsepower but with the beautiful torque curve boost provides and LSD.
Also.. they need to ditch the supercharger and use a turbo.
When Honda does turbo.. they do it pretty damn well.
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The IMA is still on the car.
The CR-Z should have the current EX trim become the base, this HPD package should be a factory offered sport trim for a $3k instead of $4k and an additional warranty option.. and then their should be an Si version with no back seat kicking out S2000 CR-esque horsepower but with the beautiful torque curve boost provides and LSD.
Also.. they need to ditch the supercharger and use a turbo.
When Honda does turbo.. they do it pretty damn well.
The CR-Z should have the current EX trim become the base, this HPD package should be a factory offered sport trim for a $3k instead of $4k and an additional warranty option.. and then their should be an Si version with no back seat kicking out S2000 CR-esque horsepower but with the beautiful torque curve boost provides and LSD.
Also.. they need to ditch the supercharger and use a turbo.
When Honda does turbo.. they do it pretty damn well.
Curious about Honda production turbo cars, the only ones I can think of are the City and the RDX? Where there more that i'm missing? IDK anything about F1 turbo efforts by Honda but I am curious about the technology they use that we might see in the future.
City and RDX were the production cars that came to mind.
Check out Honda's RA163 through the RA168 F1 Turbo motors from the 1980's turbo era.
Turbo is coming back to Formula 1 along-side the mandatory KERS tech, there are rumors Honda-McLaren would come back too.. but they seem unsubstantiated much to my dismay.
One can dream.
In order to keep up in markets that demand power and have stringent emissions laws they will have to join the "downsize and turbo" bandwagon that even Ford and GM have seen the writing on the wall for.
Check out Honda's RA163 through the RA168 F1 Turbo motors from the 1980's turbo era.
Turbo is coming back to Formula 1 along-side the mandatory KERS tech, there are rumors Honda-McLaren would come back too.. but they seem unsubstantiated much to my dismay.
One can dream.
In order to keep up in markets that demand power and have stringent emissions laws they will have to join the "downsize and turbo" bandwagon that even Ford and GM have seen the writing on the wall for.
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Honda's first turbodiesel was its 2.2L i-CDTI lump, released sometime in 2002-2004 and used in a lot of primarily European-market cars - CL7 Accord (gen1 TSX), FN Civic, gen2 TSX/Accord and the CR-V. Later on they started branding this engine with the i-DTEC moniker.
Ah yes turbo diesel motors, here in America it is easy to forget they do go in more than trucks.
I pulled up to a VW Jetta TDI the other day and wondered why it sounded so funny, then I remembered
I pulled up to a VW Jetta TDI the other day and wondered why it sounded so funny, then I remembered
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