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Sport Automatic - - blip on downshifts??

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Old Aug 16, 2006 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ManassasPaul
No, no. I mean that with my right foot across the brake and gas, it's hard to get my left foot on the clutch as my right heel gets in the way.

When I turn my right foot sideways it covers the brake and gas as well as a third of the clutch and well you get the picture. I wear size 11 wide shoes. Then again I can just about cover the brake and gas with my foot at a 45deg angle; have to try that one!
Just so I'm clear with your foot placement, "heel-toe": your right foot toe(s) are on the brake and your right foot heel is on the gas pedal. I'm confused in how your right foot covers a third of the clutch. I actually use the "ball" of my foot and heel to "heel toe." I found this method suits me better.

A big shoe size can be a problem. You might want to get a pair of driving/racing shoes. they are narrow in design to aid in heel-toe. Almost like a sock with rubber soles. See if you can do it bare foot. Just leave your shoes in the back seat so they don't roll around your pedals and feet. Good luck
 
Old Aug 16, 2006 | 06:07 PM
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I might be doing it backwards. I had my right heel on the brake and my toes/balls(of foot) on the gas. I don't think I could do it the other way, my ankles don't 'toe-in' that well
 
Old Aug 16, 2006 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jonniedee
One question WHY? You will not go any faster or make the shift any quicker - It's a freaking 5 speed AUTO with a lock up torque convertor. If you're in the lock up range, and drop below the rpm's it does lock at, wouldn't you actually loose some possible forward thrust because of additional slippage that you're intentionally inducing by dropping revs?
Why "heel-toe" or with paddle shifters "blip" to rev-match? It's all about being smooth when you drive. At least on the track. It's not at all necessary to do this while daily driving. Rev-matching, which heel/toe and blips between paddle down shifts create the smoothness you want.

If you don't rev-match the engine speed for the lower gear, you'll lunge foward because of the gear braking your speed. If you match the engine speed by blipping the throttle, you'll smooth out the down shift.

On the track this prevents the drive wheels from locking up. I see motorcycle riders doing this too. The other benefit is you don't reduce your speed from the lower gear braking, keeping you in the power band and most importantly, keeping you silky smooth.
 
Old Aug 16, 2006 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ManassasPaul
I might be doing it backwards. I had my right heel on the brake and my toes/balls(of foot) on the gas. I don't think I could do it the other way, my ankles don't 'toe-in' that well
I know how you feel, I felt the same way. Just keep trying. You'll eventualy figure it out.
 
Old Aug 16, 2006 | 07:26 PM
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i actually heel toe with my heel on the gas and my toes on the brake....
 
Old Aug 16, 2006 | 08:30 PM
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sounds rather pointless
 
Old Aug 16, 2006 | 09:05 PM
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The reason to heal-toe on the street is for the practice, it's like everything else you do - - practice makes perfect - - as you get used to doing a heal-toe downshift at say 40 mph it's not so dramatic or scarey when you try it on a race track doing 100 mph - - at higher speeds the car gets upset much easier when your at the limit of adhesion, just keep working at it - it's fun to do all the time - - I commute to work in a 5-speed corolla and do it all the time, it becomes second nature - - BTW, I brake with the ball of my right foot and roll my ankle to the right to blip the throttle - - I've found i can keep a more constant pressure on the brake pedal that way - - but I've seen it done with the heal too - - to each their own, there is no wrong way, just what works best for you - - have fun and be careful out there
 
Old Aug 20, 2006 | 11:43 AM
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blipper. is a electric solenoid actuator, that raises the idle speed at downshifts. racecar drivers, usually heel-toe this procedure, and can seem to do it with more sensivity and modify it as needed. that is the reason the blipper was invented. during a long race, he may not be able to perform it flawlessly every time. a blipper will work every time, in the same way, it is programmed to operate. besides a smoother downshift, with a smoother power delivery to prevent unwanted sliding, it also protects the transmission dogs from damage.

the fit AT has clutches, not dogs. a blipper would make it smoother, but is not necessary to prevent damage from downshifts.
 
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