While I do like President Obama and what he stands for I don't think any real change has come of it.

Yes health care passed but it's not what they wanted and it's far from bipartisan.

The national debt continues to skyrocket and we need that to stop above all things.

Though I do not agree with all of his policies, I do believe Ron Paul to be the one man that can actually tackle the budget and get the US back on track from being spend crazy and more in the image in line with what our forefathers wanted for this great nation.

I do think he would need to run as an independent though. The two parties are so confused right now and nowhere near what they originally intended.

I do believe that while she is able to capture certain demographics, Sarah Palin is doing it with the wrong words and is leading the conservative GOP and Tea Party in the wrong direction.

So what are your thoughts on the current situation the nation is in and where is should go in the coming years?

 

the health care bill was done for the wrong reasons.
Most all unions have unfunded retirement benefits, unions gave well over 200 million to get dems elected and similar with trial lawyers. It was a payback for that. None of the things that would have LOWERED the cost of health care were included like tort reform, shopping insurance across state lines etc.

About 42% of workers pay no taxes, some of those get tax credits.
All the unions are bought off (health care and giving the autoworkers union car company ownership) + tarp money hand outs.

So I think it will be big spending progressive democrats in office for a long time. as who is left to vote for fiscally conservative candidates?

The trouble is this drunk binge handout spending is going to cause high inflation, lengthening high unemployment and an eventual collapse of the dollar.
+ next they want to nationalize as many as 30 million illegal aliens and give them the right to vote. They will vote strictly democratic, which is why they will want to rush it through before November.

And if you disagree with current administration policies you are a racist which is a perfect way to silence any opposing view points.
I think Obama will get re-elected as he is one amazingly shrewd political animal.

 

I think the numbers will sway this year for the the elections I just don't like the way that they will sway. People will simply vote for someone who ISN'T A DEMOCRAT without actually reading what the candidate stands for.

I think the Tea Party started off as a great idea and while there are many many worth while members in it there are those who want to sway it to the ultra conservative side which is wrong.

 

Did you guys watch the Frontline on HCR? It was good, a little one sided but good. It is getting too much about which team is "winning" and not what the actual bill would do or what changes can be made.

I wished there would have been a public option...but of course, there were the nay sayers on that so it was a no go. It would have lowered costs as well.

I had a big argument with some of my friends on facebook about the current political issues (didn't mean for it to be an argument). I am not a democrat but I am more liberal than the current right.

Anyways, today my status read this...

"I think the fundamental difference between Reps and Dems lies in political theory. Reps akin human nature to Hobbes while Dems see it more like Rosseau."

I can see how that fundamental difference would lead to all of the problems we have today. But I do have many friends that are racsist and/or just have so much hate for "the other side"..

I even have students that say "Man, this president sucks!" and then I probe a little to ask them why and they have no answers or spit out idiocracies (fed by their parents). I just tell them that they are entitled to their opinion but perhaps they should research the facts and think for themselves before they make such broad statements.

Last year we did a political experiment in the Social Studies department. We held a regular ballot election where students "voted" for either the Republican or Democratic Ticket...had them write in an alternate party if they wanted. Well, the majority "voted" Republican...that's fine, small Texas town. Then...we handed them what we called a platform ballot with the candidates feelings on major issues (abortion, gun control, immigration, health care, gay marriage, education, etc.)...and we added the platforms of other political parties (Libertarian, Constitutionalists, Green, Nazis). We did not tell them what party was represented by each platform view.

Then we tallied up and told them whose platform they voted for.

Lets just say that many students found that their "beliefs" did not line up with the candidate they were supporting.

 

It's not that I think the president sucks but I just think that we aren't initiating enough change right now. I wanted less spending and a public health care option.

I think if the government had simply said, here's a public option, then the market would have had to adjust to compete against that.

But that never came out so we have this big overbearing bill now.

We'll see how the tide turns in November. I just want more people to be knowledgeable instead of voting based on reaction to the current administrations policies. Which is what's going on now.

 

No, I know...I understand what you're saying. I wanted a public option, as well.

I just know these kids here just parrot their parents without really listening or making their own, educated decisions.

So I try to teach them to research, learn on their own. If they come out with the same thoughts they had going in--that's fine. But a little learnin' never hurt nobody!

 

I love to see Ron Paul doing well but be under no illusions- he would take away everything he could that the government currently provides for you.

 

And I'm fine with that because there would be more money in my pocket and the market would be more of a free market.

Our dependence on foreign dollars and the way that we have to prop up industries right now is dangerous.

We've already been though one bubble burst and we are sitting on a much much larger one and if the dollar were to collapse all hell would break loose.

 

Also want to add that I currently use Kaiser and have my own 401k. I don't want to have to pay for Medicare or Social Security. My generation is supporting the boomers

 

I am a HUGE Ron Paul guy and campaigned super hard for him in the 2008 primary. That being said, I doubt he runs again.

 

This would be awesome, but even if he does run he stands no chance of winning because the majority of the american people love handouts from the government

 

In all honesty I don't think anything will ever be done regardless of who gets elected. The President is nothing more than the PR arm of the government. He couldn't wipe his own ass unless congress approves it. So regardless of how good of an idea the President will have, it doesn't mean zip if the folks in Congress don't approve because they and their friends don't get a piece of the pie (aka money).

The President that gets my vote will be the guy with the balls to fire people in Congress.

2 cents.

And for those of you that say hey I am thinking socialism, communism, whatever. Guess what it doesn't matter what you call it. Even democracy, is only as good as its leaders. If the leaders suck, then you still get hosed.

 

I Just can't Comprehend why people CAN NOT connect the dots.
You ought to be concerned if not scared shitless.

We all know gov't changes the this year. Gov't controls your health care, all student loans, most mortgages, much of banking etc.

Connect that with these dots................

The gov't is now going to create a data base of all twitter messages.


Can you not connect the dots?????????


everything is being put into place! A power hungry administration, if you are not in line with their way of thinking. could if they wanted..............


Well maybe your mortgage gets held up........


maybe your kids student loan paperwork does not satisfy the bureaucrats



maybe your needed life saving cancer surgery is mysteriously not OK'd


Is Obama the guy that takes complete control of you? I am not sure, but he is very smart and you can hear in his own voice that he has an agenda in mind.


Breitbart.tv Obama: Redistribution of Wealth; Warren Court Not Liberal Enough

 

Impossible to have less spending AND a public option. But do not worry, the public option is a done deal! Only "option" is misleading.

here is why it is a done deal

so that leaves health care companies 15% to pay salaries, phone, rent, all the costs of doing business, that is fair right?

Well there is more.............

Insureance companies will have to hire up to an estimated 1/3 more workers to interact with the 16,000 new IRS agents to police that every citizen buys health insurance. If you do not buy a policy you pay a fine. Dont pay the fine, you are looking at possible jail time.

Insurance companies will now have to take any and all high risk patients.

So the costs of running a health care ins. business may likely go up right?

NOW for the KILL

Insurance companies will HAVE to get permission from the gov't to raise rates.
Gov't says no to to the evil greedy bastards, the companies collapse, Gov't saves the day with Gov't run single payer health care.

Again, very shrewd. Those who want less gov't control of their lives think they have at least a minor victory (despite that the bill was passed, and the constitution bending way it was passed).
This is a 2700 page bill they passed folks.
and add ons to it have been stuck on other recently passed bills.

 

I also think so.