"Richard" <ConsumerMan@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I went and got the oil changed on our new CR-V for the first time
> today. When I got home, my wife said that she'd received a mailing
> from Honda saying there was something particular the mechanic had to do
> to during the first oil change to keep the car safe.
>
> But now we can't find the bulletin.
>
> Have any of you received a similar bulletin? I've dug through all the
> TSBs and recalls for the CR-V that I can find online, but nothing's
> come up.

Make sure to get off the old oil filter gasket before putting on the new
filter.

 

"Richard" <ConsumerMan@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1118619626.630713.265290@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com:

> I went and got the oil changed on our new CR-V for the first time
> today. When I got home, my wife said that she'd received a mailing
> from Honda saying there was something particular the mechanic had to do
> to during the first oil change to keep the car safe.
>
> But now we can't find the bulletin.
>
> Have any of you received a similar bulletin? I've dug through all the
> TSBs and recalls for the CR-V that I can find online, but nothing's
> come up.
>


Call the dealer. Must be a brand-new TSB.

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"Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:8e5re.867$wo2.790@news02.roc.ny:


>
> Make sure to get off the old oil filter gasket before putting on the new
> filter.
>


That's only a problem with aftermarket filters. Genuine Honda OEM filters
do not lose their gaskets.

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I went and got the oil changed on our new CR-V for the first time
today. When I got home, my wife said that she'd received a mailing
from Honda saying there was something particular the mechanic had to do
to during the first oil change to keep the car safe.

But now we can't find the bulletin.

Have any of you received a similar bulletin? I've dug through all the
TSBs and recalls for the CR-V that I can find online, but nothing's
come up.

 

Thanks for telling everybody about the filters Tegger. You are right, Honda
filters never leave thier gasket behind. Scott

 

"TeGGeR®" wrote:
>
> "Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:8e5re.867$wo2.790@news02.roc.ny:
>
> >
> > Make sure to get off the old oil filter gasket before putting on the new
> > filter.
> >
>
> That's only a problem with aftermarket filters. Genuine Honda OEM filters
> do not lose their gaskets.

Actually, it is the original, factory installed filters that had
problems. See http://tinyurl.com/cvyvp

 

Randolph <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in
news:42AE850D.BB20017B@junkmail.com:

>
> "TeGGeR®" wrote:
>>
>> "Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:8e5re.867$wo2.790@news02.roc.ny:
>>
>> >
>> > Make sure to get off the old oil filter gasket before putting on
>> > the new filter.
>> >
>>
>> That's only a problem with aftermarket filters. Genuine Honda OEM
>> filters do not lose their gaskets.
>
> Actually, it is the original, factory installed filters that had
> problems. See http://tinyurl.com/cvyvp
>


Hm.

So what caused this problem? Are CR-Vs being equipped with differently
designed filters than other Hondas?

Did the factory apply them dry?

In all my years of changing filters I have only ever had this happen with
aftermarket filters, and filters that had been left on for unreasonably
extended lenghts of time.

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"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns9675531D4BE1Btegger@207.14.113.17...
> Randolph <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in
> news:42AE850D.BB20017B@junkmail.com:
>>
>> "TeGGeR®" wrote:
>>>
>>> "Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:8e5re.867$wo2.790@news02.roc.ny:
>>> >
>>> > Make sure to get off the old oil filter gasket before putting on
>>> > the new filter.
>>> >
>>>
>>> That's only a problem with aftermarket filters. Genuine Honda OEM
>>> filters do not lose their gaskets.
>>
>> Actually, it is the original, factory installed filters that had
>> problems. See http://tinyurl.com/cvyvp
>
> Hm.
>
> So what caused this problem? Are CR-Vs being equipped with differently
> designed filters than other Hondas?
>
> Did the factory apply them dry?
>
> In all my years of changing filters I have only ever had this happen with
> aftermarket filters, and filters that had been left on for unreasonably
> extended lenghts of time.

Don't know why or what caused it, but that was the gist of it. The TSB
is/was basically a CYA (Cover Your Ass) move by Honda to combat the CRV
engine fires cause by "double gasketed" oil filters.

This is not meant as a jab at Honda as anybody doing an oil change should
automatically be checking to make sure the area is clear before putting a
new filter in place, but oil changers don't always do the right thing,
combined with these gaskets sticking for whatever reason, so Honda sent out
the TSB as a reminder to "do the right thing".

 

Seth wrote:
> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns9675531D4BE1Btegger@207.14.113.17...
> > Randolph <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in
> > news:42AE850D.BB20017B@junkmail.com:
> >>
> >> "TeGGeR®" wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
> >>> news:8e5re.867$wo2.790@news02.roc.ny:
> >>> >
> >>> > Make sure to get off the old oil filter gasket before putting on
> >>> > the new filter.
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> That's only a problem with aftermarket filters. Genuine Honda OEM
> >>> filters do not lose their gaskets.
> >>
> >> Actually, it is the original, factory installed filters that had
> >> problems. See http://tinyurl.com/cvyvp
> >
> > Hm.
> >
> > So what caused this problem? Are CR-Vs being equipped with differently
> > designed filters than other Hondas?
> >
> > Did the factory apply them dry?
> >
> > In all my years of changing filters I have only ever had this happen
> > with aftermarket filters, and filters that had been left on for
> > unreasonably extended lenghts of time.

Mostly it's aftermarket filters for Japanese cars that have the cut
piece of rubber as a gasket. Most Honda filters use a "P-type" gasket
that hooks onto an edge. This type of gasket is far less likely to
stick, although it's not hard to remove it by hand.

> Don't know why or what caused it, but that was the gist of it. The
> TSB is/was basically a CYA (Cover Your Ass) move by Honda to combat
> the CRV engine fires cause by "double gasketed" oil filters.
>
> This is not meant as a jab at Honda as anybody doing an oil change
> should automatically be checking to make sure the area is clear
> before putting a new filter in place, but oil changers don't always
> do the right thing, combined with these gaskets sticking for whatever
> reason, so Honda sent out the TSB as a reminder to "do the right
> thing".

Is oil on the exhaust really that dangerous? The oil filter in my
folks' 2001 Toyota Camry V6 is mounted in such a way that they oil
**HAS TO** drip through a hole and down the A-pipe. The location
is easily accessible though.

 

"y_p_w" <y_p_w@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1118785130.105012.171930@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com:


> Is oil on the exhaust really that dangerous?


I wondered...


> The oil filter in my
> folks' 2001 Toyota Camry V6 is mounted in such a way that they oil
> **HAS TO** drip through a hole and down the A-pipe. The location
> is easily accessible though.
>
>

If I change my '91 'Teg's oil too soon after shutting the car down, it
ALWAYS drips on the exhaust. There is one single bolt on the entire exhaust
system that is rust-free, and it's the one right where the drip is.

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> > Actually, it is the original, factory installed filters that had
> > problems. See http://tinyurl.com/cvyvp
> >
>
> Hm.
>
> So what caused this problem? Are CR-Vs being equipped with differently
> designed filters than other Hondas?
>
> Did the factory apply them dry?
>
> In all my years of changing filters I have only ever had this happen with
> aftermarket filters, and filters that had been left on for unreasonably
> extended lenghts of time.

The official story from Honda is that they received a batch of oil
filter gaskets from their supplier that was of such a composition that
it would tend to get stuck on the oil filter flange. The replacement oil
filters do not have this type of gasket, and the gasket material now in
use at the factory does not have the problem.

This is a perfectly good explanation, but in addition there is the
unfortunate location of the oil filter where leaking oil will squirt
onto the hot exhaust manifold. Relocation of the filter or installation
of some sort of shield would in my view be the proper fix, as any
mechanic sooner or later could be guilty of double gasketing.

 

Randolph wrote:
> The official story from Honda is that they received a batch of oil
> filter gaskets from their supplier that was of such a composition that
> it would tend to get stuck on the oil filter flange.

so basically the OEM fram filters had weak glue on em.

 

SoCalMike <mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:wdOdnaglEdxXKzLfRVn-1g@comcast.com:

> Randolph wrote:
>> The official story from Honda is that they received a batch of oil
>> filter gaskets from their supplier that was of such a composition that
>> it would tend to get stuck on the oil filter flange.
>
> so basically the OEM fram filters had weak glue on em.
>


The gaskets are not glued in place.

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TeGGeR® wrote:
> "y_p_w" <y_p_w@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:1118785130.105012.171930@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com:
>
>
> > Is oil on the exhaust really that dangerous?
>
>
> I wondered...
>
>
> > The oil filter in my
> > folks' 2001 Toyota Camry V6 is mounted in such a way that they oil
> > **HAS TO** drip through a hole and down the A-pipe. The location
> > is easily accessible though.

Just to clarify - that filter is mounted at the front of the block.
The mount actually has a hole where the oil from the filter is
routed down to the exhaust pipes. It's fairly easy to clean it
off save a bracket where it's hard to sponge off all the oil

> If I change my '91 'Teg's oil too soon after shutting the car down,
> it ALWAYS drips on the exhaust. There is one single bolt on the
> entire exhaust system that is rust-free, and it's the one right
> where the drip is.

On my '95 GS-R and '89 RS, I would use a piece of aluminum foil to
funnel the oil away from the axle and exhaust.

 

TeGGeR® wrote:

> SoCalMike <mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:wdOdnaglEdxXKzLfRVn-1g@comcast.com:
>
>
>>Randolph wrote:
>>
>>>The official story from Honda is that they received a batch of oil
>>>filter gaskets from their supplier that was of such a composition that
>>>it would tend to get stuck on the oil filter flange.
>>
>>so basically the OEM fram filters had weak glue on em.
>>
> The gaskets are not glued in place.

Even the Fram made Honda OEMs use molded P-type gaskets held in place
by a flange. Typical aftermarket filters use cut pieces of tubular
rubber which stay (by friction) in a depression.

 

y_p_w wrote:
>
>
> TeGGeR® wrote:
>
>> SoCalMike <mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:wdOdnaglEdxXKzLfRVn-1g@comcast.com:
>>
>>
>>> Randolph wrote:
>>>
>>>> The official story from Honda is that they received a batch of oil
>>>> filter gaskets from their supplier that was of such a composition that
>>>> it would tend to get stuck on the oil filter flange.
>>>
>>>
>>> so basically the OEM fram filters had weak glue on em.
>>>
>> The gaskets are not glued in place.
>
>
> Even the Fram made Honda OEMs use molded P-type gaskets held in place
> by a flange. Typical aftermarket filters use cut pieces of tubular
> rubber which stay (by friction) in a depression.

i thought honda oem filters were denso, not fram? it's what denso claim
and certainly an aftermarket denso filter /looks/ identical to oem, a
fram filter /definitely/ doesn't.

 

jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in
news:ZdOdnbZT9ebDYi3fRVn-og@speakeasy.net:


> i thought honda oem filters were denso, not fram?


Canadian ones are FRAM (Honeywell Consumer Products). Have been for at
least 12 years.

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jim beam wrote:

> y_p_w wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> TeGGeR® wrote:
>>
>>> SoCalMike <mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:wdOdnaglEdxXKzLfRVn-1g@comcast.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Randolph wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The official story from Honda is that they received a batch of oil
>>>>> filter gaskets from their supplier that was of such a composition that
>>>>> it would tend to get stuck on the oil filter flange.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> so basically the OEM fram filters had weak glue on em.
>>>>
>>> The gaskets are not glued in place.
>>
>>
>>
>> Even the Fram made Honda OEMs use molded P-type gaskets held in place
>> by a flange. Typical aftermarket filters use cut pieces of tubular
>> rubber which stay (by friction) in a depression.
>
>
> i thought honda oem filters were denso, not fram? it's what denso claim
> and certainly an aftermarket denso filter /looks/ identical to oem, a
> fram filter /definitely/ doesn't.

Honda's main Japanese filter supplier is Toyo Roki. I once bought
several of their filters. Honda's main North American filter suppliers
are Fram and Filtech (a US division of Toyo Roki).

I wouldn't be surprised if Denso sells filters to Honda, but I've
never seen one at a dealer. Denso is a huge filter supplier to
Toyota though. A factory filter on a Camry was the weirdest looking
spin-on filter I've ever seen. Strange baseplate, different bypass,
and the media looked strange from the center tube. Turned out it
was a "depth-type" media.

<http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/parts/toyota_filter/index.html>