Bebop wrote:
> <hunkman7@excite.com> wrote:
>
>> I would stay away from hybrids. Saw one die in the middle of
>> traffic - no power and creating massive backups. The industry will
>> eventually go to hydrogen systems, but never electric.
>
> The hybrid is not true electric, thus the word "hybrid".

Actually, they're true gasoline since that's their *only* power source.
"Hybrid" is a spin that gets people to purchase something they otherwise
wouldn't.

 

jim beam wrote:
> /please/ read sci.materials abe. pretty please?

Look, jim, Uncle Al won't convince me that it's unworkable (though I
gotta say his "shitanium" comment in anotehr thread had me in stitches).
So there are technical challenges to surmount? So it's currently an
expensive proposition? So it may not be the most efficient thing around?
Does that make it impossible? No.

I'm not much invested in the issue, frankly. Haven't explored the Honda
FCX stuff either, actually, just ran across it today for the first time.
I'm not saying it's safe, and am quite willing to accept that there are
dangers. I do intend to keep an open mind about it. One of these decades
we're gonna run out of oil (or the surface of the earth will sink into
the void we've left behind by pumping it all out <g>), and we need to
pursue alteratives.

 

Abeness said
> jim beam wrote:
> > but abe, have you ever seen a scuba tank explode?
>
> Nope.
>
> > gasoline fuel cell, absolutely. hydrogen fuel cell? no chance.
>
> All I said was it's being tried, jim. The RAND Corporation thought in
> 1954 that home computers of 2004 would fit within a single room. I don't
> have the source of the picture/caption I have (probably from something
> like Popular Science), but the sucker is complete with a large steering
> wheel (yes, a steering wheel), lots of analog gauges covering a whole
> wall (yes, gauges!), and a maybe 18" teletype tractor feed printer. It's
> also got a large TV mounted high on a wall. With the Fortran language,
> it was expected to be easy to use. Hah hah.

Don't believe everything you see on the Internet. That is a
"manufactured" composite using an altered photo of this submarine
manuvering room console:

http://home.att.net/~jeff1_satobserve/photo17.htm


The whole story is at:

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/computer.asp



Casey

 

Steve Bigelow wrote:

> "Abeness" <news@nada.x> wrote in message
> news:S4ydnf-gf4CN_XDfRVn-pg@rcn.net...
>
>>Jason wrote:
>>
>>>I advise you to buy a copy of the magazine and read the article.
>>
>>Could also read it at the library or maybe even online.
>
>
> http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1
>
> Hardly any bias evident there! lol....
>
> He drives an F-350 dually and a H2.

"While the greenies and their flunkies in the so-called major media
palpitate over the future of the hybrid..."

I got this far. Brock Yates is past his shelf life.

 

jim beam wrote:

> Abeness wrote:
>
>> jim beam wrote:
>>
>>> hydrogen? no. logistics prohibitive. wildly unsafe.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's being tried. Check out the Honda FCX.
>> http://world.honda.com/FuelCell/
>>
>> Not sure Q should use these for 007, though... ;-))
>
>
> but abe, have you ever seen a scuba tank explode?

Only when Chief Brody shot one at the conclusion of "Jaws".

:)

 

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

> In article <1122853565.339095.212990@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
> hunkman7@excite.com wrote:
>
>
>>I would stay away from hybrids. Saw one die in the middle of traffic -
>>no power and creating massive backups. The industry will eventually go
>>to hydrogen systems, but never electric.
>
>
> Actually, that's what scares me about the Toyota parallel system. It's
> SO dependent on the software, there's no way to limp home.

Get used to it - ultimately everything will be programmed (but not by
Microsoft, please, God).

 

dang, why do you need to buy Honda civic hybrid if you can buy Honda jazz with comparable MPG? lol...........

i definitely would prefer honda jazz with lower engine that has comparable MPG...LOL

 

Casey wrote:
> Don't believe everything you see on the Internet.

Hah hah, thanks for refs, Casey. Normally I don't, but this one
apparently slipped under the radar. In any case, my opinion re: progress
remains.

 

Sparky Spartacus wrote:
> Get used to it - ultimately everything will be programmed (but not by
> Microsoft, please, God).

Amen, Brother Sparky. Reminds me of that old "if your car ran MS Windows
3.1..." gag that circulated by email many years ago. Was pretty funny.

 

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:35:27 -0700, jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>
>The current edition of "Car and Driver" (magazine) has an
>interesting article about the dark side of the hybrids on page 26.
>The date on the cover is September 2005.
>
>If you own a hybrid vehicle or plan to buy a hybrid vehicle,
>I advise you to buy a copy of the magazine and read the article.

So could someone please summarize this dirty little secret?

 

On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 03:52:32 GMT, "FanJet" <FanJet27@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Bebop wrote:
>> <hunkman7@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I would stay away from hybrids. Saw one die in the middle of
>>> traffic - no power and creating massive backups. The industry will
>>> eventually go to hydrogen systems, but never electric.
>>
>> The hybrid is not true electric, thus the word "hybrid".
>
>Actually, they're true gasoline since that's their *only* power source.
>"Hybrid" is a spin that gets people to purchase something they otherwise
>wouldn't.

Hmmm. I am as skeptical of "marketing" as anyone but I really don't
think that people are buying the word, 'hybrid.' Some buyers like the
high milage/green benefits. Others like the technology. I don't
think anyone is buying because they like the word.

 

Sparky Spartacus wrote:
> Steve Bigelow wrote:
>
>> "Abeness" <news@nada.x> wrote in message
>> news:S4ydnf-gf4CN_XDfRVn-pg@rcn.net...
>>
>>> Jason wrote:
>>>
>>>> I advise you to buy a copy of the magazine and read the article.
>>>
>>>
>>> Could also read it at the library or maybe even online.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1
>>
>>
>> Hardly any bias evident there! lol....
>>
>> He drives an F-350 dually and a H2.
>
>
> "While the greenies and their flunkies in the so-called major media
> palpitate over the future of the hybrid..."
>
> I got this far. Brock Yates is past his shelf life.

 

Sparky Spartacus wrote:
>> Hardly any bias evident there! lol....
>>
>> He drives an F-350 dually and a H2.
>
>
> "While the greenies and their flunkies in the so-called major media
> palpitate over the future of the hybrid..."
>
> I got this far. Brock Yates is past his shelf life.

what ya expect from a rich, fat, old, alcoholic white man? dudes got a
nose like WC fields...

 

nospam@nospam.com wrote:
> dang, why do you need to buy Honda civic hybrid if you can buy Honda
> jazz with comparable MPG? lol...........
>
> i definitely would prefer honda jazz with lower engine that has
> comparable MPG...LOL
>
>
jazz not available yet, and some peeps need to sport their "eco-bling"

 

Abeness wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>
>> /please/ read sci.materials abe. pretty please?
>
>
> Look, jim, Uncle Al won't convince me that it's unworkable (though I
> gotta say his "shitanium" comment in anotehr thread had me in stitches).
> So there are technical challenges to surmount? So it's currently an
> expensive proposition? So it may not be the most efficient thing around?
> Does that make it impossible? No.

no, it's not impossible, but neither is actively reducing the mercury
content of the oceans or mining manganese from the moon. it's just
wildly dangerous and spectacularly uneconomic. sounds great politically
though, that /that's/ what the whole hydrogen car hoopla is all about.
and the extraction of "research funds" of course.

>
> I'm not much invested in the issue, frankly. Haven't explored the Honda
> FCX stuff either, actually, just ran across it today for the first time.
> I'm not saying it's safe, and am quite willing to accept that there are
> dangers. I do intend to keep an open mind about it. One of these decades
> we're gonna run out of oil (or the surface of the earth will sink into
> the void we've left behind by pumping it all out <g>), and we need to
> pursue alteratives.

 

SoCalMike wrote:

> Sparky Spartacus wrote:
>
>>> Hardly any bias evident there! lol....
>>>
>>> He drives an F-350 dually and a H2.
>>
>>
>>
>> "While the greenies and their flunkies in the so-called major media
>> palpitate over the future of the hybrid..."
>>
>> I got this far. Brock Yates is past his shelf life.
>
>
> what ya expect from a rich, fat, old, alcoholic white man?

About what the article said. ;)

> dudes got a nose like WC fields...

Oy!

 

In article <elmop-EA0926.22323731072005@nntp1.usenetserver.com>,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> In article <1122853565.339095.212990@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
> hunkman7@excite.com wrote:
>
> > I would stay away from hybrids. Saw one die in the middle of traffic -
> > no power and creating massive backups. The industry will eventually go
> > to hydrogen systems, but never electric.
>
> Actually, that's what scares me about the Toyota parallel system. It's
> SO dependent on the software, there's no way to limp home.
>
> A simple series system like Honda's IMA is really the essence of Honda
> engineering.

But Honda's system doesn't work nearly as well. The Accord Hybrid is
almost a joke with its tiny 15HP electric motor. It can go on full
assist at 20MPH and you don't feel any acceleration.

 

In article <Hf2dna9ZXODQ5HDfRVn-jA@speakeasy.net>,
jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> chunkman7@excite.com wrote:
> > I would stay away from hybrids. Saw one die in the middle of traffic -
> > no power and creating massive backups. The industry will eventually go
> > to hydrogen systems, but never electric.
> >
> hydrogen? no. logistics prohibitive. wildly unsafe.

One might have said the same about acetylene. There are ways to solve
the pressure problems. Some have already been discovered and are
waiting for technology improvements. There may be even simpler
solutions in the future.

 

In article <mcmurtri-B78200.00585702082005@corp-radius.supernews.com>,
Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtri@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> > A simple series system like Honda's IMA is really the essence of Honda
> > engineering.
>
> But Honda's system doesn't work nearly as well.

As in "not as efficient," I agree. But in the real world, it's better
to tradeoff the complexity of the Toyota system and get something that's
less efficient but simpler in execution.

 

Abeness said
> Casey wrote:
> > Don't believe everything you see on the Internet.
>
> Hah hah, thanks for refs, Casey. Normally I don't, but this one
> apparently slipped under the radar.

This seems to be one of the ones that slips under most people's radar.
I've overheard conversations where the topic was that "crazy-looking
idea for a home computer with a steering wheel". It does look just
like something out of an old Popular Science magazine.


Casey