so as J's

I wouldn't surprise Spoon & J's didn't/won't do anything(law suit) about it

because...........................

















this is a very GOOD WAY to move the customer base from the OLD Distrubutor to the NEW Distrubutor quicker







at the end Spoon is way smarter
they still do business w/ AJ racing & they have a bigger shop to be their new(back then 'new') distrubutor

 

I'm not saying what should or shouldn't happen or who's right and who's wrong but do u have any idea what it costs 2 have a lawsuit with someone? Both would end up with nothing in return after the layer fees aswell as it would probably drag on and on also consider they aren't even in the same country so that means u'd have 2 give tons of time and money for flights too. Isn't really taht simple

 

huh, my rep counter was wiped out last night...

 

On a number of the T1R product boxes it clearly states that these products were "Made in Japan".

If you search Honda-Tech you will actually come across a number of postings, hopefully, as A&J Racing has been known to have such postings removed from the forum concerning this matter.

Realistically from what I can recall, it was a similar incident such as the current one with J's Racing, where A & J Racing was actually caught reproducing Spoon Sports infamous N1 exhaust and then sold them as a genuine product without the authorization from Spoon Sports.

 

does anyone have any pictures of real J's products and fake J's product?

 

 

Yipes, that's not even close! They could have at least put some effort in to it.

 

That's right. Numerous flame wars went on regarding to different stuff on honda-acura.net, honda-tech, revscene.net(vancouver local forum) etc since late 1990s.

I know the guys at A&J & started dealing with them since 1997. And I used to be on honda-acura.net & honda-tech quite a lot back then. Think it started off with whether A&J or Boom Plus Toys was the legit SPOON distributor in N.America wayyyyyyyyy back then. I've seen people bashing A&J on different SPOON/Endless/Buddy Club products that they carried/carry, bashing Honda NA setup that they used to mainly go for, bashing the way of "building the cars for corners". But quite some of these stuff got pretty popular after years....
- spoon equipped/jdm cars all over the internet
- track days/time attack
- wilder & wilder NA setup now compare with NOS & turbo etc in the late 90s

And then T1R exhaust items came out. Flame war went on again. Some of u guys probably read about those T1R Vs TYPE ONE Japan and if they're related kinda argument way back then(still going on & on). And I wonder if anyone here remember a header test on HT quite awhile ago. SPOON/Mugen/Jun/T1R Vs. Hytech/SMSP kinda stuff.

Some of these flame wars came on when SPOON switched their distributor if I remember correctly? And then now J's.....

I personally don't know whether A&J sold fake J's exhaust. Since I'm not a big fan of J's racing anyway. So I never looked at the J's item that the guys had on display. Good quality titanium are expensive to begin with, like ARC & Amuse etc. J's Ti exhaust are cheaper, but still not THAT cheap?

If I wanna copy I'd probably do another Twin-Loop, a true 2.5" version coz after all everyone knows it's Mugen. At least it will cost me less to manufacture coz it's stainless steel but not Ti More average people can afford to buy this nice exhaust.

When I shop for parts they're not the only guys I go for. Ben KNOWS that I'm fucking picky & shop all over the place. And he KNOWS I do squeeze him like crazy for discount sometimes. But for the SPOON/Zeal/Endless/Buddy Club/T1R/Advan/Exedy/JDM Honda/Bride/HKB product that I bought from these guys in the last 13years never failed on me. I don't have much complain about this local shop. Well, other than waiting for a Bride rail for 4months GOD DAMN it BEN!

If u say the T1R/Exedy clutch is a rip off. Exchange rate changes ALL the time, the best bet is to call/email/PM them for price. I have this set of T1R/Exedy clutch for about 25000km now. Went through 3 HARSH lapping day here in BC & in WA, quite some hard launch in many autocross events & bunch of stop & go Vancouver downtown driving. Clutch still grip very well.....

Anyway, sorry about my bad English. Just my 0.02.....

 

That muffler is so obviously fake..Geeze.

 

LOL... i went Euro and got a Brabus Smart =)

Anyway, back to topic... just want to share with you guys what I think.... Don;t brand me as a Fanboy or hater... I am just trying to talk some sense to some of you guys (and maybe to myself as well). Honestly, this whole thing is getting old...

I've been catching up with this news lately and read a lot of things from all these different forums. I was even flamed at RS for driving a J's Wannabe JDM Fit (When I have no J's installed - too expensive anyway).

All I can really say is... Why didnt anyone say anything earlier? And isnt this all old stuff already?

When AJR is selling J's products, and the items are hot, everyone wants a piece of it. No one cared about badging, quality control, price... whatever.

Now that something shows up on the internet, something that is not even proven by either party, and what do we have? Flame war, everyone jumping to conclusion, blaming this and that.

I mean, come on... lets be optimistic. AJR has been around for so many years. I am sure a lot of people has deal with AJR before and their service is not all that bad, for north american standard at least. Of course, there are always time when you feel like you ain't cared for, but heck, almost all shops out there does it once in a while, and we still go back for whatever reason =.=. But lets just assume that this whole thing is just trying to shift the customer base(I like that idea), and AJR was indeed selling whatever J's giving them... are you flamers going to give AJR an apology? I don't think so....

Now what if AJR was selling fakes? Well, they did a pretty damn good job and this is probably not the first time... and no one reported them so who can take the blame? I ain't saying AJR should not be blamed IF they sell fake things (I HATE to have fake stuff on my car)... but with the internet nowadays, we shouldnt blame others if we didnt do our homework.

Be reasonable... damage has been done, money has been spent, so why not think possitively and learn from this? Maybe we all ought to do more research before buying. And on top of that, don't just jump onto the bandwagon and start venting out your frustration everywhere.

The business world is pretty much like a war zone, every company wants their competitor dead; there is no partnership, only mutual interest. Heck, why do you think Microsoft buy companies out? They can afford to skip the drama and pay lawsuits =\

PS - If there was any fake JDM thing on my car, it would be me... I ain't japanese. But I didnt buy myself from AJR anyway...

 

Why the fuck is people saying AJ is not the distributor for spoon anymore!? wtf is going on...do your research people, seriously.....

SALES BASES | SPOON OFFICIAL WEB

This is from the official website! if AJ did copy and produce fake spoon parts i'm pretty sure they would close & stop distributing to A&J Racing. Makes you look like a fool for saying that.

Son you didn't verified shit . . .

 

This whole thing is just a Hater vs Fanboy Drama...

I'm going rate it "Implied Facepalm" for being an EPIC FAIL

 

Good find; I would think if AJR was making fakes of J's they would be doing it on Spoon products as well; clearly not the case.

On another note I have one J's product left on my car; it is a shock tower strut bar. The J's logo is engraved onto it, I was able to confirm it is not a fake. This alone goes a long way to restoring my faith in AJR.

The more I look into this the more this J's open letter is starting to look sketchy.

Anybody know if J's has other motives against AJR?

 

Tagged for interest

 

uhhh no, opak racing is the sole distributor of spoon sports products. everyone has to go through them to get anything spoon. they still have spoon sports europe listed as their european distributor and they ripped off alot of people and lost their distribution too. who knows the last time that part of the website was updated. aj racing moved at the beginning of last year and on that site it has their address listed on bathgate way. they are now on savage road so STFU NOOB!

 

You can talk all bs you want boy....but the fact is fact, its still on the website. If the address didn't change it doesn't matter because they probably haven't had time to change it yet. If it was a big matter against AJ-R copying spoon products I'm pretty sure spoon would have took them out from the distributor list and not to keep them on to get people confused. If you want to prove me wrong, then tell spoon to take the AJ-R distributor off the website. If not then i suggest you just STFU and stop bashing another company because of your own personal reason.

 

^ this guy..

 

i know man. and i bet he's not even in tokyo, he's in canada swingin off aj's nuts.

taken from opak's website

 

Is it too late to get in on the pissing contest???????

 

Given that Spoon Sports hasn't even bothered to have there website copyrighted since the 2007-2008 season surely speaks words in itself.

x2 as it's been pretty common knowledge within the scene for a number of years now that Opak Racing was the exclusive north American distributor.