E85 debate

[mahout]

Originally Posted by dank24

yea, but I just want to use it because it is not as harmful as gasoline. Something like it does not exert 40% as much emissions as gasoline

Prer pound of fuel, ethanol produces more emissionscas gasoline. Thr=e energy of combustion of ethanol is about 2/3rds of gasoline so there isn't any free lunch. You have to burn more ethanol to get where you're going. So more emissions.
And also the energy used to produce ethanol is greater than gasoline so more emissions are generated per mile.
If it weren't for fedral subsidies ethanol isn't cost effective either.
Not even mentioning the damage to fuel component gaskets.

[Tork]

I know what litesong and climatologist can do, support radical islamic fundamentalists......yeah cuz with western civilization destroyed we can reduce our carbon footprint living in caves and riding horses and camels.
Remember, these 'green' terrorists only emit carbon when they transport explosives to kill people, and rightfully so as these people need to be killed for the sake of carbon emission reduction.

Or better yet, jump on the 'Cap and Trade' bill which may pass tomorrow, written by Nancy Pulozzi & Al Gore who is the ultimate hypocrit as he has a carbon footprint about 35 times larger than the average guy.

Yeah, lets carbon tax the average family $4000 a year! Let's make it impossible for American companies that produce anything. we will leave that to China and India as they are sooooooooo effective at reducing polution!

Post up on a cloudy non windy day when you are eating rotten food out of your refridgerators....ohhhh but you cant post because the panels and windmills on your roof are not having a good day.

Yeah lets go crazy with ethanol, which is oh NOT so efficient Yield wise and OH NOT energy efficient to produce.
WHY?
Jack food prices up, more people starve to death= less carbon for teh win!
Sorry folks, it's coal, oil and nukes for now as the other technologies are not viable, economical or practical in the near future in mass at this point in time. And yes we need to continue developing alternate technologies and fuels.
OR
Ethanol, windmills and solar, tax carbon users to death=less people on the earth and 35% unemployment AND maybe Al and Nancy will fly out to your soup line in their private jets for a photo op!

Use your frickin brains people, we need to drill here in North America, build some Nuke plants, employ our people instead of sending nearly a trillion $$ a year to other countries some of which would like to see us wiped off the face of the earth.

[mahout]

Originally Posted by Tork

I know what litesong and climatologist can do, support radical islamic fundamentalists......yeah cuz with western civilization destroyed we can reduce our carbon footprint living in caves and riding horses and camels.
Remember, these 'green' terrorists only emit carbon when they transport explosives to kill people, and rightfully so as these people need to be killed for the sake of carbon emission reduction.

Or better yet, jump on the 'Cap and Trade' bill which may pass tomorrow, written by Nancy Pulozzi & Al Gore who is the ultimate hypocrit as he has a carbon footprint about 35 times larger than the average guy.

Yeah, lets carbon tax the average family $4000 a year! Let's make it impossible for American companies that produce anything. we will leave that to China and India as they are sooooooooo effective at reducing polution!

Post up on a cloudy non windy day when you are eating rotten food out of your refridgerators....ohhhh but you cant post because the panels and windmills on your roof are not having a good day.

Yeah lets go crazy with ethanol, which is oh NOT so efficient Yield wise and OH NOT energy efficient to produce.
WHY?
Jack food prices up, more people starve to death= less carbon for teh win!
Sorry folks, it's coal, oil and nukes for now as the other technologies are not viable, economical or practical in the near future in mass at this point in time. And yes we need to continue developing alternate technologies and fuels.
OR
Ethanol, windmills and solar, tax carbon users to death=less people on the earth and 35% unemployment AND maybe Al and Nancy will fly out to your soup line in their private jets for a photo op!

Use your frickin brains people, we need to drill here in North America, build some Nuke plants, employ our people instead of sending nearly a trillion $$ a year to other countries some of which would like to see us wiped off the face of the earth.

I have a better idea. I recommended to our HR Rep that registered Democrats pay for Democrat Congress bills. He laughed and wished he could but political correctness would stop that.

[Texas Coyote]

Just one question..... Would it not be in our interest to build a few efficient refineries to make use of the domestic oil that we pump? I am 100% for ending our foreign dependency, but I think the plan is to allow the foreign fields to go dry and then start drilling when there are bigger profits to be had and less middle men.

[mahout]

Originally Posted by Texas Coyote

Just one question..... Would it not be in our interest to build a few efficient refineries to make use of the domestic oil that we pump? I am 100% for ending our foreign dependency, but I think the plan is to allow the foreign fields to go dry and then start drilling when there are bigger profits to be had and less middle men.

In our best interests but not in our politicians like Al Gore and Obama's Democrats. Try dealing with EPA, tree huggers, and a raft of socialists and you'll sell why we don't have more refineries or nuclear plants to produce electricity.

[Tork]

Originally Posted by mahout

In our best interests but not in our politicians like Al Gore and Obama's Democrats. Try dealing with EPA, tree huggers, and a raft of socialists and you'll sell why we don't have more refineries or nuclear plants to produce electricity.

Very true sir, but it is deeper than that even. Al Gore gets sometimes $200K to speak on global warming only now with evidence of global cooling the new term is 'Climate Change'.
Cap and Trade passed this afternoon (1300 pages that nobody in congress read, maybe the Senate will read it...uhhh maybe not). Everything a family uses that somehow involves energy will (if the bill makes it thru the Senate) cost more, food, home heating, gas....well basically everything....so it amounts to a tax on the average family of about $3000 a year.
In other words the single largest tax increase ever imposed on the American people.
But the real sick part is this is a massive transfer of wealth to the politically connected (politicians and lobbyists)
Al Gore is ready to sell carbon offset credits, so is GE who owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC. GE will also get massive wind and solar energy contracts, is this a payback for extremely biased political news coverage?
Where Ethanol is a political ploy, this new carbon tax is Fascism and Treason against US citizens, political corruption at a new extreme

At least we own Fits, therefore the increase in gas prices wont affect us as much as most other people.
Greenhouse gas is actually 94% water vapor, so let's just cut to the chase and outlaw water :/

[mahout]

Originally Posted by Tork

At least we own Fits, therefore the increase in gas prices wont affect us as much as most other people
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Greenhouse gas is actually 94% water vapor, so let's just cut to the chase and outlaw water :/

Even if crude stabilizes at $75 a barrel per the Saudi oil minister (60 miutes) the price of reducing our carbon footprint per the energy bill will increase gasoline costs considerably. SUV drivers may get relief from the gas guzzler bill but we won;'t. Your gas bill may double and thats significant, even to Fit owners.
PS greenhouse gases aren't 94% water. CO2, N2O5, and the like has no water attached to it. Water evaporated falls back as rain. greenhouse gases don't.