E85 debate

[Sugarphreak]

Originally Posted by litesong

Volcanos occur around the world. You must compare volcanos to all world wide man-made emissions covering all man-made activities. Just one man made emission, carbon dioxide, puts 30 billion tons per year (3 thousand thousand thousand thousand tons per century) into the atmosphere. Volcanos are a natural emission & the earth's balance of nature accounts for such. Volcanos output is 1% of the world man-made emissions of carbon dioxide.

The bubble dome is your idea. But we are in a bubble dome. Its called the atmosphere.

As for my cars: one is a 20 year old car which averaged 45MPG & is still going. The spanky new car you mention is nearly 2 years old & AVERAGES 31.4MPG, 4.4 MPG OVER the EPA highway MPG. Its average MPG is almost twice the average of the corporate MPG of vehicles on the road in America, not quite a gas guzzler. Some people's reports on their Honda Fits do NOT get as good MPG as my car.

Oh, & the CVT is smooth & elegant! If the American Fit had had a CVT(like they have in other countries), I would have bought the Fit.

Yeah I am sure you have done your research in depth; your figures all appear to be made up no matter what you talk about.

So what of the giant uncontrolled forest fires before man was here that raged over millions of acres... that was nature. Hell most trees are dependent on it for seeding. We now stamp out anything that even resembles a forest fire; The ones that do get away don't compare at all to uncontrolled ones from before we ever stepped foot on this contitnent. That put WAY MORE CO2 into the atmosphere than we ever did.

"Volcanos are a natural emission & the earth's balance of nature accounts for such. Volcanos output is 1% of the world man-made emissions of carbon dioxide."

This statement is totally untrue; Volcanic events can cause mass REAL climate change and easily eclipse what tiny impact humans have on the environment.


The Caliber is a peice of junk, so is the Accent by the way. Congrats on buying the two most useless, cheap and unreliable cars availaible on the market I hear GM is coming out with a new Aveo, why don't you go buy one of those and then come back and tell us all how it is superior to the Fit like you do with everything else.

Also, it is pretty obvious you are a giant TROLL at this point, one look at your posts on FitFreak can verify this. Every single post you put up is aimed at ticking somebody off, you promote a bad environment and I think you should be banned.

I ask moderators review his posts and ban this person please.

[Rockrover]

Originally Posted by mahout

Population growing; plant life decreasing. Thats not balance.

Please show us how it's decreasing.

Urbanization often increases plant life as new suburban home owners plant tree, grass, shrubs to beautify. More often than not the result is more trees.

Not to mention old growth trees past 50 years old are carbon neutral wereas new growth takes in much more carbon than it puts out.

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[quote=Rockrover;378979]Please show us how it's decreasing.

Urbanization often increases plant life as new suburban home owners plant tree, grass, shrubs to beautify. More often than not the result is more trees.

Not to mention old growth trees past 50 years old are carbon neutral wereas new growth takes in much more carbon than it puts out.

Take AZ for example, they used to have good clean air but no its fouled by all those shrubbery planted by retired moving west. AZ air is getting as bad as CA. People and transportation devices are emirtting more CO2 than the plant population can regenerate to O2. Nut thats a long way from causing global warming; unfortunately we really don't know the CO2 range for earth. The samples are too close together.
Its a lot like taking your blood pressure 2 minutes apart and deciding if youre going to die or survive based on the trend defined by the 2 BP pressures. Simply not possible. Why 2 minutes? Thats far longer than the samples we try to use for global warming; remember the earth is at least 4.5 billion years old (well OK I'll concede the 'modern' earth life can be only the last 500 hundred million years) so we are using trends based on samples taken in the last 50 years - way less than 1 millionth of our 'production'. Try that on any production QC standard.

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[quote=Rockrover;378979]Please show us how it's decreasing.

Urbanization often increases plant life as new suburban home owners plant tree, grass, shrubs to beautify. More often than not the result is more trees.

Not to mention old growth trees past 50 years old are carbon neutral wereas new growth takes in much more carbon than it puts out.

Take AZ for example, they used to have good clean air but no its fouled by all those shrubbery planted by retired moving west. AZ air is getting as bad as CA. People and transportation devices are emirtting more CO2 than the plant population can regenerate to O2. Nut thats a long way from causing global warming; unfortunately we really don't know the CO2 range for earth. The samples are too close together to be meaningful.
Its a lot like taking your blood pressure 2 minutes apart and deciding if youre going to die or survive based on the trend defined by the 2 BP pressures. Simply not possible. Why 2 minutes? Thats far longer than the samples we try to use for global warming; remember the earth is at least 4.5 billion years old (well OK I'll concede the 'modern' earth life can be only the last 500 hundred million years) so we are using trends based on samples taken in the last 50 years - way less than 1 millionth of our 'production'. Try that on any production QC standard.

[Funchy]

Ethanol is great in theory, but the amount of energy (and fossil fuels) that go into growing corn and converting it to ethanol are huge. You don't get far ahead. Could we study ethanol from non-food crops (eg switchgrass)? Or could we use some of the taxpayer funded corn subsidies and use it towards development of alternative energy, better hybrid car batteries or something similar?

I live out in the boonies, and I see firsthand what's needed to produce corn. Commercial agriculture is an *industrial* operation which produces quite a bit of pollution/byproducts. Fertilizer run-off alone is responsible for tainted drinking wells, fish die-offs, and now on a large scale ocean dead-zones. Modern US farming is agri-business, not the pretty green natural thing it appears to be on TV. So if we're pushing US farmers to up production, we're also seeing more marginal land pushed back into tillage, more fertilizer/pesticide use, higher demand on freshwater as more fields are irrigated, etc. How good is it for the environment if we're draining rivers and then refilling them with run-off tainted with nitrates, phosphorous, and heribicides?

Don't hate me but I think $4/gallon gas has been really good in a way. Suddenly high mpg cars are "green" and dealers can't keep them in stock. Windfarms are sprouting up all over. More R&D money is going into solar, which is getting cheaper. People are finally starting to think beyond fossil fuels.

Originally Posted by Rockrover

Urbanization often increases plant life as new suburban home owners plant tree, grass, shrubs to beautify. More often than not the result is more trees.

Are you saying development is good for the ecology & air quality ???

we are using trends based on samples taken in the last 50 years - way less than 1 millionth of our 'production'. Try that on any production QC standard.

I respectfully disagree. Glaciers, such as those in Greenland, are excellent for study and tell us quite a bit about climate tens of thousands of years ago.