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Old Apr 22, 2014 | 07:05 AM
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Hello! I'm new here

I've made that videos (links below) to show my problem with Jazz. When You can't see my hand - I'm not keep the steering wheel - but the car is driving around a curve. Wheel does not self-center. Honda's service is saying that it is normal...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC49...ature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Om...ature=youtu.be
 

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Old Apr 22, 2014 | 07:47 AM
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Yeah, I didn't see anything unusual looking there.
 
Old Apr 22, 2014 | 10:54 AM
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Does your car can drive around without holding the steering wheel?
 
Old Apr 22, 2014 | 04:25 PM
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Sadly I got used to this absurd behaviour. I think it depends on caster wrong setting, but caster isn't adjustable on the Jazz, so I learned to live with it.
 
Old Apr 22, 2014 | 07:45 PM
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That doesn't look right at all.. Seems to be a dangerous setup to allow the car to continue turning if the wheel isn't straight.. A car should be setup to straighten out it's wheels once you let go of a turned wheel while moving at speed. I can't even think of what physical wheel setting (caster, tow, etc.) that would allow this steering behavior.
 
Old Apr 23, 2014 | 09:23 AM
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Well foot in mouth, my USDM fit does the same thing.. it will continue to turn if the wheel is cocked and i'm driving.. It really feels like the EPS (electronic power steering) is the reason why this is happening.
 
Old Apr 24, 2014 | 02:01 PM
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OK, so do you think it is normal and every Jazz / fit has the same behaviour of steering?
 
Old Apr 24, 2014 | 02:05 PM
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Maybe more people will comment on their experience to see if it's normal or not.
 
Old Apr 24, 2014 | 02:21 PM
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Not normal at all. I had an old car that used to do that (a 1993 Saturn). I'd turn the wheel to make a 90degree turn and let go and it would just stay put and not "unravel" on its own. Someone told me it's a part that's worn. I used to just whip the wheel at the end of the turn to straighten out however, I didn't get this problem at highway speeds where the car would straighten out with no effort.

No problem with this on my Honda though *knock on wood*
 
Old Apr 24, 2014 | 05:45 PM
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I drive my parent's minivan with a hydraulic steering and ofc my Fit with the EPS. Both are very similar and self center with no issue. So it's certainly not 'normal'.
 
Old Apr 24, 2014 | 08:30 PM
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my 2013 fit straightens out after a curve. not very fast, but it does eventually work its way toward center.
 
Old Apr 25, 2014 | 04:14 AM
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Could someone make a video to show me how his Jazz / Fit works in a curve without keeping a steering wheel?

I've found that many, many people have the same problem: http://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=438.60
 

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Old Feb 2, 2015 | 06:55 AM
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Has anyone had a similar problem and succeeded in fix it?
 
Old Feb 2, 2015 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Vespa
Hello! I'm new here

I've made that videos (links below) to show my problem with Jazz. When You can't see my hand - I'm not keep the steering wheel - but the car is driving around a curve. Wheel does not self-center. Honda's service is saying that it is normal...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC49...ature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Om...ature=youtu.be

I think you are saying the car will not let the steering wheel self center when you let go of the steering when in a flat corner.
unless the road is banked the steering wheel should self center, or close to it and you run off the outside of the curve unless you grab the steering wheel to hold the turn.
but if your steering wheel won't self center on a level curve here must be reason because its not normal but I believe theere is a reason and not a problem with the car. perhaps alignment is a good place to start looking.
on second thought perhaps your steering gear/shaft/ rack is binding for some reason; that will prevent the seering wheel from centering. raise the front of the car car off the ground and see if steering effort decreases or not. if it doesn't there is something binding the unit. power steering fluid ok?(jacks both sides, not front) if it doesn't check the rack.
 

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Old Feb 2, 2015 | 05:02 PM
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That doesn't look right at all.. Seems to be a dangerous setup to allow the car to continue turning if the wheel isn't straight.. A car should be setup to straighten out it's wheels once you let go of a turned wheel while moving at speed. I can't even think of what physical wheel setting (caster, tow, etc.) that would allow this steering behavior.

simple physics at work.
a car will never have a straight steering wheel when its turning on a flat curve. a straight up wheel means the wheels are straight ahead, a somewhat difficult situation when the car is turning in a curve.
you can have the steering wheel straight ahead only when the turn is banked enough the car thinks its running straight ahead. if the banking is on a dtraight road the car will veer off the bottom of the banking unless you steer up the banking.. you ought to try tat at daytona, charlotte, or atlanta motor speedways. fun then.
 
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