Honda announces recall
I didn't read any of the rest of these post because I haven't been on in awhile and dont have the time to read it all but i work for a Honda body shop and i was talking to the service manager to see if i could go ahead and get mine in before every1 and she said they dont have instructions or any of the tools that Hondas going to issue to do the recall yet. She also said they found problems with these springs in the ridge line motors so there recalling ours before there is to many problems because the ridge lines are stalling(sp?) out or making ticking noises when the spring breaks so hope this is helpful 
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I didn't read any of the rest of these post because I haven't been on in awhile and dont have the time to read it all but i work for a Honda body shop and i was talking to the service manager to see if i could go ahead and get mine in before every1 and she said they dont have instructions or any of the tools that Hondas going to issue to do the recall yet. She also said they found problems with these springs in the ridge line motors so there recalling ours before there is to many problems because the ridge lines are stalling(sp?) out or making ticking noises when the spring breaks so hope this is helpful
from what she said i think already recalled the ridge lines for it i dunno didn't ask but i did forget to say she said they wouldn't have the parts until march on the day the letters are sent out some time mid march
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As crazy as this thread is and lack of info it seems bigger.
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Hum. When was the recall for the Ridgeline?
Doing a google (on my iPod) isn't quite as productive as I thought. I would've 'assumed' it would recent enough and that google (for "ridgeline recalls") should have it popping up all over the place.
If indeed, the two lines have the same issue, then would it be for similar model years on the Ridgeline? I have no vested interest in the Ridgeline though, no one I know has one. Just out of curiosity.
Doing a google (on my iPod) isn't quite as productive as I thought. I would've 'assumed' it would recent enough and that google (for "ridgeline recalls") should have it popping up all over the place.
If indeed, the two lines have the same issue, then would it be for similar model years on the Ridgeline? I have no vested interest in the Ridgeline though, no one I know has one. Just out of curiosity.
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Hum. When was the recall for the Ridgeline?
Doing a google (on my iPod) isn't quite as productive as I thought. I would've 'assumed' it would recent enough and that google (for "ridgeline recalls") should have it popping up all over the place.
If indeed, the two lines have the same issue, then would it be for similar model years on the Ridgeline? I have no vested interest in the Ridgeline though, no one I know has one. Just out of curiosity.
Doing a google (on my iPod) isn't quite as productive as I thought. I would've 'assumed' it would recent enough and that google (for "ridgeline recalls") should have it popping up all over the place.
If indeed, the two lines have the same issue, then would it be for similar model years on the Ridgeline? I have no vested interest in the Ridgeline though, no one I know has one. Just out of curiosity.
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looked up the notice. looks like 2010 models with vin numbers that range up to around 13xxx. saw the pictures of what needs to be done. my vin falls in the 12xxx range so looks like i need to set up an appointment in the near future.
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I didn't read any of the rest of these post because I haven't been on in awhile and dont have the time to read it all but i work for a Honda body shop and i was talking to the service manager to see if i could go ahead and get mine in before every1 and she said they dont have instructions or any of the tools that Hondas going to issue to do the recall yet. She also said they found problems with these springs in the ridge line motors so there recalling ours before there is to many problems because the ridge lines are stalling(sp?) out or making ticking noises when the spring breaks so hope this is helpful
~SB
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i had the guys at my shop look it up on the honda website for mechanics. i shouldve wrote down the vin ranges. i saw the pictures of what they have to do but it should be around 2-3 hours worth of work, take rocker assembly off, take out springs, switch them, put total assembly back on. i only saw the fit notice. dont know anything about the ridgeline.
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i had the guys at my shop look it up on the honda website for mechanics. i shouldve wrote down the vin ranges. i saw the pictures of what they have to do but it should be around 2-3 hours worth of work, take rocker assembly off, take out springs, switch them, put total assembly back on. i only saw the fit notice. dont know anything about the ridgeline.
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Yes....
Fitchet
There's one constant about your arguments.
You assume they knew it was faulty and ignore all other possibilities as to why they made a change.
Heres the reason I am banking on. They weren't sure of the long term issue. And so they changed the spec to something with a slightly larger margin of "error" (flexibility, whatever). They did NOT deem at the time that the old spring was faulty, only that it was possibly too stringent on the parameters.
You say I am speculating... Of corse I am, I don't work for Honda, nor was I present during the entire production life of every single Fit.
However, neither were you. You cannot constant include your speculation that they KNEW, while acting as if you're "weren't saying that at all."
There's one constant about your arguments.
You assume they knew it was faulty and ignore all other possibilities as to why they made a change.
Heres the reason I am banking on. They weren't sure of the long term issue. And so they changed the spec to something with a slightly larger margin of "error" (flexibility, whatever). They did NOT deem at the time that the old spring was faulty, only that it was possibly too stringent on the parameters.
You say I am speculating... Of corse I am, I don't work for Honda, nor was I present during the entire production life of every single Fit.
However, neither were you. You cannot constant include your speculation that they KNEW, while acting as if you're "weren't saying that at all."
And why do I make this assumption?- Because they changed the springs- and now they are doing a massive recall. Again, as I said, way back...you don't do this recall for shits and giggles...
I also assume that the process of determining whether to change the specifications on the springs and embark on a massive recall included testing and forecasting the potential for failure.
If both specification of springs...were Okay..viable..and wouldn't result in detriment to Honda or their customers...then I assume we wouldn't be having this conversation and nobody would be desperately trying to figure out if their involved in this recall or not..because there would not be a recall.
This is speculation but my speculation is the process was probably pretty standard, in so much as I think they got some early complaints..early failures...it seems in reported low numbers. I'm assuming they investigated..discovered these springs were the reason behind the failures...probably did extensive testing to forecast the likelihood of failure given X amount of useage and time....and came to the conclusion that it was in Honda's best interest to change the specifications and launch a recall.
So YES...I'm assuming Honda is replacing these valve springs...because they have determined they must. Not because they all sat around the boardroom one day and decided The Fit engines were fine...but just for fun they'ed make em a little better...
The whole thing was a process....but once a determination to change the specifications was reached...I'm giving Honda the benefit of the doubt that they changed the specifications...because they KNEW they had to...
Also of course my father working in quality control doesn't give me magical genetically transfered expertise...but it does give me insight from his P.O.V. and we do have extensive conversations about recalls...and Quality Control. Sorry if I sounded defensive...but when you are accused of speaking out of your ass..or having no knowledge...when infact you do have some insight and at least a valid opinion..it can make you defensive...
Also my ego isn't such that I say "I'm absolutely right"...just given your scenario...of a transistion done slowly or "using up" the old parts...isn't the way Quality Control in my exposure, is done...
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^^^OMG- could you please shut the frig up now? You are nothing short of annoying with this crap. All ANYONE is interested in is concrete information about the actual recall details- not your babble about what I have no idea, and don't care to. I glady skip your long winded rants but they are adding pages and pages to this thread. So could ya please stop, or start a new thread for yourself. Enough is enough, in this thread.
Thank you.
Dan
Thank you.
Dan
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Omfg, the dealership is going to shit their pants when I bring my fit in. And I get a free valve adjustment to boot! With my luck they would screw it up somehow.
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Wow.. that means EACH "chimps in overalls" or "Oxford graduates in tuxedos" (as 5hit fit summarized it) needs 2 to 3 hours per FIT, he/she can cover 4 to 5 FITs per day... this is going to add to the workload of all the dealerships... how many thousands of FITs are potentially to be recalled divided by 2.5 hours per FIT... that is going to add up to a lot of hours in terms of dealership workloads - on top of their usual work. Hope my FIT will not stalled at the intersection due to springs failure before reaching my turn at the dealership for recall fix
WOW! That's a bit extreme, don't you think? I mean, Ferrari owners are usually tools and wear all their Ferrari gear just to "show everyone", but it wouldn't keep me from buying and owning and enjoying a yellow 458 Italia....if I could afford one
Talk about "cutting off your nose despite your face", come on Black3sr, I know your better than this. Now as far as expectations go, well, its a Honda and rep is everything, had alot to do with why I bought the car I did. Todays econobox is not like the econobox of yesterday. I mean, look at the old diesel Rabbit and todays TDI Golf for instance, same mileage but the newer car is a Rolls Royce compared to the 70's/80's car. Heck, look at a Fit compared to any Honda from the 70's/early 80's, plush and alot safer, not a "throw away" car, atleast not IMO.
Those who wanna make a bigger deal about this, let em', they're the minority on our forum and most of us are more educated on the subject.
Talk about "cutting off your nose despite your face", come on Black3sr, I know your better than this. Now as far as expectations go, well, its a Honda and rep is everything, had alot to do with why I bought the car I did. Todays econobox is not like the econobox of yesterday. I mean, look at the old diesel Rabbit and todays TDI Golf for instance, same mileage but the newer car is a Rolls Royce compared to the 70's/80's car. Heck, look at a Fit compared to any Honda from the 70's/early 80's, plush and alot safer, not a "throw away" car, atleast not IMO.
Those who wanna make a bigger deal about this, let em', they're the minority on our forum and most of us are more educated on the subject.
KA see post of Ric01 as example. Geez. The comments some make about the dealers makes me wish Honda would just buy back the cars and give them a RECALL by Toyota. If Honda mechanics are that incompetent then Yes I guess we should expect Honda to build a perfect car that never needs to go near the most incompetent of all mechanics.
Oh I am keeping My Fit. It is my old man Toy. When I bought it I had absolutely no need for it and still don't. Being retired my wife and I only need one vehicle. But, I enjoyed driving the Fit and can afford to do some mods so I am having fun.
If the Fit heaven forbid breaks down before the recall repair is done I have my back up. Go Mopar
The 2004
The 04 has gone to my daughter and now we have this one
2010
The nice part about the Dodge? I have been going to this small town dealer for 15 years. All the people at the dealership know me by name. I can stand around and watch them work on my van. One of the younger ones did my Swifts on the Fit and another did my exhaust. All reasonable prices too.
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That's it, I'm joining starfleet if I can't have my jetpacks.... Hmmm it's snowing here, don't think I'd like a jetpack in the winter. The backs of my legs would probably be fine but the rest... not so much.
What's next a recall on my Canondale Jekyll?
It'll be annoying if I have to take both in but hey, if it's for he same issue I know two things; 1. I'll be taken care of by a good Honda Dealer, & 2. The springs in the Fit will last for a while before the recall is completed... the Ridgeline is an '06 with 52K miles on the odo... the fit only has 23K.
~SB
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I just spoke with a buddy of mine who is a tech with Honda. He said they have been informed about the recall but there wasn't a "TSB" from Honda yet. I am confident with Honda and this recall DOES NOT scare me the least. I think I am much older than most on here and don't drive the car hard so I am not letting this get to me as others are.
On a side, note, this would be the perfect time for cams, springs and retainers...LOL.
On a side, note, this would be the perfect time for cams, springs and retainers...LOL.
