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Old 08-11-2011, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverbulletCSVT
Yes service codes A & B with corresponding numbers 1-5. Manual shows that these clear along with the oil life %. These don't show on MM until oil life reaches 15%. So if you change oil and clear oil life prior to 15% you'll never see them. My question is if oil life is cleared before reaching 15% will the service codes not yet displayed be cleared prematurely? or will the same codes that should have displayed at previous 15% show up at the next 15% oil life?

Another way to state the same thing: Am I clearing service codes that have yet to show up by clearing the oil life prior to 15%? Thereby clearing codes that have never had required service performed.

And before somebody suggests to just wait and change my oil at 15%. I do quite a bit of towing with my Fit and the MM doesn't take that into consideration.
Had to look at my manual to see exactly what you are referring to. OK now I see... You're right, the manual is vague about it.

Short answer - I don't know. Haven't gone through the whole cycle yet.

Long answer - I've changed my oil @ 5k mi. and reset the MM oil life. Why? Please refer to my previous posts below if you care to understand. Like you said, the MM doesn't know if you're towing, redlining or tracking.

KC posted this reference below which I think comes in handy. Yes, the MM is a friend, but it's still my car.

Some posters here are experts and some work for Honda. Maybe they can chime in with an authoritative and technical answer. Sorry bud.

Originally Posted by Krimson_Cardnal
Hey Subie - one old schooler to another, you hit it. Took me a while to adjust as well...

The MM keeps track of all maintenance items - other than oil life - by mileage.

There's no USDM published list I can find, however, European data is more readily found: Maintenance Schedule I think Lyons first found it.

There's plenty of forum chatter regarding tranny fluid change, coolant and oil.
The MM really is your friend.
 
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Old 08-11-2011, 07:06 PM
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The Honda data interface thing can check and see what's due and lets you separately reset each subsystem alert (i.e. you can tell it that you changed oil but not transmission fluid). At least thats what the service manual says.
 
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Old 08-11-2011, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by malraux
The Honda data interface thing can check and see what's due and lets you separately reset each subsystem alert (i.e. you can tell it that you changed oil but not transmission fluid).
That likely requires having the proper computer system to interface with the car though, ie. something the dealer could do, but not a DIY-er.
 
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Old 08-11-2011, 09:12 PM
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Thanks Subie! tend to think it should clear the codes but,just a guess.Still have a lot to learn about this car.
 
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Old 08-12-2011, 01:11 AM
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No prob. jjsifo! Hope my posts made some sense.
 
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Old 08-12-2011, 12:42 PM
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Service Information

1. The remaining engine oil life (A) is shown as a
percentage in the information display. To see the
current engine oil life, turn the ignition switch to ON
(II), then push and release the Select/Reset knob
repeatedly until the engine oil life displays.

2. When the ignition switch is in ON(II), and the
remaining engine oil life (A) is 15 % to 6 %, the
remaining engine oil life and other scheduled
maintenance item(s) needing service are displayed.
The maintenance minder indicator (B) also comes on
when the engine oil life is 15 % or less. To cancel the
display and the indicator, press the Select/Reset knob.

3. When the ignition switch is ON (II), and the remaining
engine oil life is 5 % to 1 %, the message ‘‘SERVICE’’
(A) is displayed along with engine oil life and the
same maintenance item code(s).

4. When the ignition switch is in ON (II), and the
remaining engine oil life is 0 %, the engine oil life (A)
blinks.
Pressing the Select/Reset knob cancels the display,
but the maintenance minder indicator stays on.

5. If the indicated maintenance is not done, the engine
oil life indicator shows a negative mileage, for
example ‘‘-10’’ on the display.

If the negative mileage is between 0 and-9, the
indicator is displayed for only a few seconds when the
ignition switch is turned to ON (II). The negative
mileage (A) remains displayed after the vehicle is
driven more than 10 miles (for USA models) or 10 km
(for Canada models) after 0 % oil life is reached, and
the display cannot be canceled. This means the
indicated maintenance item(s) should have been
done more than 10 miles (or 10 km) ago.

*****************************

Resetting the Maintenance Information Display

NOTE:
● The vehicle must be stopped to reset the display.
● If a required service is done and the display is not
reset, or if the maintenance display is reset without
doing the service, the system will not show the proper
maintenance timing. This can lead to serious
mechanical problems because there will be no
accurate record of when the required maintenance is
needed.

● The engine oil life and the maintenance items can be
reset independently only with the HDS.
1. Turn the ignition switch to ON (II).
2. Push and release the Select/Reset knob repeatedly
until the engine oil life indicator is displayed.
3. Press and hold the Select/Reset knob for about 10
seconds. The engine oil life indicator and the
maintenance item code(s) will blink.

NOTE:
If you are resetting the display when the
engine oil life more than 15 %, make sure any
maintenance items(s) requiring service are done
before resetting this display.

4. Press Select/Reset knob for another 5 seconds. The
maintenance item code(s) will disappear, and the
engine oil life will reset to ‘‘100’’.

********************************

*** A conscientious service tech will adjust the MM display according to the service actually done - wonder if any actually do??? ***

Resetting individual Maintenance Item

1. Connect the Honda Diagnostic System (HDS) to the
data link connector (DLC).
2. Turn the ignition switch to ON (II).
3. Make sure the HDS communicates with the vehicle
and the engine control module/powertrain control
module (ECM/PCM). If it doesn't communicate,
troubleshoot the DLC circuit.
4. Select BODY ELECTRICAL with the HDS.
5. Select ADJUSTMENT in the GAUGE MENU with the HDS.
6. Select RESET in the MAINTENANCE MINDER with the HDS.
7. Select the individual maintenance item you wish to reset.
 
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Old 08-12-2011, 12:58 PM
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Hey KC, what's your reference here? So Malraux was right. Again a DIY-er is at the mercy of someone who has a Honda Diagnostic System (HDS) - the dealer (and the mech actually doing it). Oh well, back to my log book (plan B). Thanks for the post though.

Makes sense. Just checked my MM. I'm almost @ 5k mi. since last oil change and the MM shows 40% oil life.
 
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Old 08-12-2011, 01:32 PM
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Went to the dealership the other day for on oil change at 15% and was also around the 20k mile mark on my Fit. Dealer starts saying how I should get the 20k maintenance service that consisted of replacing my wipers, adjusting parking brake and what seemed like a bunch of other needless things. Especially for the $200+ he was saying it would cost me. Anyway he seemed really eager to swindle me and said "I'll do that right now for you" to which I replied I would hold off on it. What do you guys think, I'm not much of a DIY when it comes to car maintenance so is anyone familiar with this Honda 20k maintenance service or was the tech trying to pull a con and make some extra money off me? Thanks in advance!
 
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Old 08-12-2011, 01:53 PM
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Subie - it's from the 09-10 FIT Factory Service Manual.

AintNo - Beyond the oil change I would do a tire rotation and check the fluid levels. Once a year on wiper blades is a good idea. If parking brake is grabbing tight inside 5 clicks it's okay. Brake wear throws it off, out of range check brake pads/shoes for wear, possible replacement.

Get a list of items they were 'checking' and check them yourself. Remember the dealership is a business. Routine service is a way to make money. Don't hold it against them. I refused the 20K extras as well. At higher mileage their inspection might uncover issues - at 20K, if all runs smooth all is well.

Any specific questions post up. Explanations/opinions are quick around here ;-)
 
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Old 08-12-2011, 03:38 PM
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Hold it right there!

Originally Posted by AintNoStoppinMeNow
Went to the dealership the other day for on oil change at 15% and was also around the 20k mile mark on my Fit. Dealer starts saying how I should get the 20k maintenance service that consisted of replacing my wipers, adjusting parking brake and what seemed like a bunch of other needless things. Especially for the $200+ he was saying it would cost me. Anyway he seemed really eager to swindle me and said "I'll do that right now for you" to which I replied I would hold off on it. What do you guys think, I'm not much of a DIY when it comes to car maintenance so is anyone familiar with this Honda 20k maintenance service or was the tech trying to pull a con and make some extra money off me? Thanks in advance!
Everything was ok until you mentioned $200.The oil change is the most important thing,the other stuff can wait.Wonder what they charge you just for the oil&filter.
 
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Old 08-12-2011, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Krimson_Cardnal
Service Information

1. The remaining engine oil life (A) is shown as a
percentage in the information display. To see the
current engine oil life, turn the ignition switch to ON
(II), then push and release the Select/Reset knob
repeatedly until the engine oil life displays.

2. When the ignition switch is in ON(II), and the
remaining engine oil life (A) is 15 % to 6 %, the
remaining engine oil life and other scheduled
maintenance item(s) needing service are displayed.
The maintenance minder indicator (B) also comes on
when the engine oil life is 15 % or less. To cancel the
display and the indicator, press the Select/Reset knob.

3. When the ignition switch is ON (II), and the remaining
engine oil life is 5 % to 1 %, the message ‘‘SERVICE’’
(A) is displayed along with engine oil life and the
same maintenance item code(s).

4. When the ignition switch is in ON (II), and the
remaining engine oil life is 0 %, the engine oil life (A)
blinks.
Pressing the Select/Reset knob cancels the display,
but the maintenance minder indicator stays on.

5. If the indicated maintenance is not done, the engine
oil life indicator shows a negative mileage, for
example ‘‘-10’’ on the display.

If the negative mileage is between 0 and-9, the
indicator is displayed for only a few seconds when the
ignition switch is turned to ON (II). The negative
mileage (A) remains displayed after the vehicle is
driven more than 10 miles (for USA models) or 10 km
(for Canada models) after 0 % oil life is reached, and
the display cannot be canceled. This means the
indicated maintenance item(s) should have been
done more than 10 miles (or 10 km) ago.

*****************************

Resetting the Maintenance Information Display

NOTE:
● The vehicle must be stopped to reset the display.
● If a required service is done and the display is not
reset, or if the maintenance display is reset without
doing the service, the system will not show the proper
maintenance timing. This can lead to serious
mechanical problems because there will be no
accurate record of when the required maintenance is
needed.

● The engine oil life and the maintenance items can be
reset independently only with the HDS.
1. Turn the ignition switch to ON (II).
2. Push and release the Select/Reset knob repeatedly
until the engine oil life indicator is displayed.
3. Press and hold the Select/Reset knob for about 10
seconds. The engine oil life indicator and the
maintenance item code(s) will blink.

NOTE:
If you are resetting the display when the
engine oil life more than 15 %, make sure any
maintenance items(s) requiring service are done
before resetting this display.

4. Press Select/Reset knob for another 5 seconds. The
maintenance item code(s) will disappear, and the
engine oil life will reset to ‘‘100’’.

********************************

*** A conscientious service tech will adjust the MM display according to the service actually done - wonder if any actually do??? ***

Resetting individual Maintenance Item

1. Connect the Honda Diagnostic System (HDS) to the
data link connector (DLC).
2. Turn the ignition switch to ON (II).
3. Make sure the HDS communicates with the vehicle
and the engine control module/powertrain control
module (ECM/PCM). If it doesn't communicate,
troubleshoot the DLC circuit.
4. Select BODY ELECTRICAL with the HDS.
5. Select ADJUSTMENT in the GAUGE MENU with the HDS.
6. Select RESET in the MAINTENANCE MINDER with the HDS.
7. Select the individual maintenance item you wish to reset.
This is a good one!!! thanks man. JJ
 
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Old 08-13-2011, 11:47 AM
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Thank you sir. I manage to get a factory manual for most all my rides. Used to rely on Helms, but they often miss the point on the finer details and procedures. Honda manual is good, however, lacking in explaining things. The 80's/90's GM manuals were terrific when it came to explaining systems as well as diagnostics. Great tech writing w/ diagrams and procedures.
 
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Old 09-08-2011, 08:10 PM
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just went in for my 2nd oil change at 15k and the guy at honda told me i have to pay 180 for b 1! and i declined seriously just to check my brakes? and he said now my warranty is effected since i didnt do it wtf is that
 
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Old 09-08-2011, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by cfran55
and he said now my warranty is effected since i didnt do it wtf is that
Get his name, speak to the service manager, and let them know you're calling up Honda corporate to complain.

Then take your business elsewhere.
 
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Old 09-08-2011, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by neteng101
Get his name, speak to the service manager, and let them know you're calling up Honda corporate to complain.

Then take your business elsewhere.
+1
Nothing worse than high pressure dealer scare tactics. Don't walk but run away. You are free to perform maintenance yourself or anywhere else without any affect on your warranty. Just keep records. Use your owners manual and log an entry i.e. "9/8/11 inspected brake linings 80% remaining, no leaks, drums/rotor good"
$180 saved

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Old 09-09-2011, 01:19 PM
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dang i wish i would have know about this earlier
 
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Old 09-09-2011, 03:10 PM
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One of the good things to come out of this forum is the insight many can lend to others. A two way sounding board many times.
 
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