Max highway RPM for engine longevity
#42
I have a Fit 2011 MT and at 2400-2500 RPM and 83-84 kph I get between 4.6 and 5 L/100 km which is between 47 and 51 MPG on flat area no use of brake and low wind. My record is 4.4 L/100 km on 150 km. highway. Didn't double check the computer, but it makes sense because I can make over 700 km on a tank (35 liters tank is 5 liters/100 km for 700 km).
So if I drive at 3300 RPM and 6.6 to 7 l/100 km. that is 2 liters per 100 km. more, which, at 1.50$/liters is 3$ more for each 100 km.
So I'm still trying to figure what I'll do !
So if I drive at 3300 RPM and 6.6 to 7 l/100 km. that is 2 liters per 100 km. more, which, at 1.50$/liters is 3$ more for each 100 km.
So I'm still trying to figure what I'll do !
12.38km/l or 29.11mpg. Granted traffic in and around Tokyo is horrid, the country of Japan looks like ^^^^^^^ without any __________ , with my heavy right foot and the love of a Honda symphony playing several times a day...I'm happy with my overall FE.
#43
Actually the Fit's fuel tank is 40 liters. So if you are getting 700km per full tank, you are seeing roughly 41mpg. Which is great, my lifetime FE is just
12.38km/l or 29.11mpg. Granted traffic in and around Tokyo is horrid, the country of Japan looks like ^^^^^^^ without any __________ , with my heavy right foot and the love of a Honda symphony playing several times a day...I'm happy with my overall FE.
12.38km/l or 29.11mpg. Granted traffic in and around Tokyo is horrid, the country of Japan looks like ^^^^^^^ without any __________ , with my heavy right foot and the love of a Honda symphony playing several times a day...I'm happy with my overall FE.
Honda Symphony? with the parts you have on that... you've got a few orchestras playing at once.... ~Jealous~
~SB
Last edited by specboy; 04-02-2012 at 06:22 AM.
#44
This is what I tried to do and this is how I usually get 4.8 L/100 km.... but 85 kph is... so slow! At 100 kph consumption is about 5.7 to 5.9 / 100 km. and at 105 it is 6.1/100 kph. (All other things been equal... this is an average)
I've read other comments about Acura and other cars running at higher RPM, but was the engine in good shape after years high revvying? At some point is it possible knock would be a problem, even with synthetic oil?
I know Honda engine are made to rev... I have an Honda CB550 Knighthawk 1983. Of course it's different because it's not a car, but still after 50,000 it started to burn oil, and it was revvying at 4000 RPM on highway.
The Fit 1.5 engine is larger, but the car is much heavier and it feels like a bike a lot. So this is partly what I am afraid of : I want to be sure I can keep it in good shape for years.
I've read other comments about Acura and other cars running at higher RPM, but was the engine in good shape after years high revvying? At some point is it possible knock would be a problem, even with synthetic oil?
I know Honda engine are made to rev... I have an Honda CB550 Knighthawk 1983. Of course it's different because it's not a car, but still after 50,000 it started to burn oil, and it was revvying at 4000 RPM on highway.
The Fit 1.5 engine is larger, but the car is much heavier and it feels like a bike a lot. So this is partly what I am afraid of : I want to be sure I can keep it in good shape for years.
POAs is basically ethane which is the fastest burning hydrocarbon. Because POAs flow better more oil can be burnt. Its my experience and what I've read.
In 6000 miles I have added about a quart of oil when I used fully synthetic. I am using Honda bulk oil semi-synthetic 5w20 and have no oil consumption at all which is Group II and III oil. I am at 30000 miles on the 4th oil change. I also use premium gas from either BP which has better low end torque with less throttle or Shell which I am currently trying that likes higher rpms with more throttle. They are two different fuels both with different engine reactions. I never though the Fit was slow or lacking power but I never used regular except once or twice at different times. I noticed the mpg drop and that is why I stopped using regular.
#47
~SB
#48
I have a Fit 2011 MT and as everyone know the RPM is very high at highway speed.
I usually drive at 85 kph, which is about 2500 RPM and a very good 4.8 L/100 KM.
I want to keep my Fit for at least 12 years or 250 000 km.
Should I continue with my 2500 RPM plan or would it be safe for the engine to drive at 3000 or 3500 RPM ?
I know Honda makes high revvying engine, but I don't want an engine that will burn oil in 2-3 years. We all know some Civics who burn more oil than gaz.
What do you think about this ? What is a good RPM to keep the engine good for 12 years, considering I always put synthetic oil?
Thanks
P.S. I know that driving at 3000 RPM+ will make MPG worse, but sometimes time is as important as money.
I usually drive at 85 kph, which is about 2500 RPM and a very good 4.8 L/100 KM.
I want to keep my Fit for at least 12 years or 250 000 km.
Should I continue with my 2500 RPM plan or would it be safe for the engine to drive at 3000 or 3500 RPM ?
I know Honda makes high revvying engine, but I don't want an engine that will burn oil in 2-3 years. We all know some Civics who burn more oil than gaz.
What do you think about this ? What is a good RPM to keep the engine good for 12 years, considering I always put synthetic oil?
Thanks
P.S. I know that driving at 3000 RPM+ will make MPG worse, but sometimes time is as important as money.
Nice presentation.
The best piston speed of most good engines by good engine designers expected to last 200,000 vehicle miles is around the 1800 fpm piston speed. The Fit has a stroke of 89 mm, or 3.5", or 0.29 ft so a revolution of the crankshaft means the piston travels 0.58 ft. So dividing 1800 by .58 yields 3103 rpm. Thus a honda Fit will theoretically last the longest at an average rpm not exceeding 3100 rpm. Thats average, not peak rpm.
The more your average rpm exceed that average the less the life of your Honda Fit engine. Holding long term continuous rpm to 2600 rpm will certainly have the best chance of lasting 155,000 miles, or 250,000 kilometers. Sorry I worked in feet per minute cause the numbers are handy in memory; just realize that 89 mm divided by 25.4 mm/inch and 12 inches per foot is 0.29 ft. and the piston travels up and down per engine revolution.
BTW, 1800 rpm incidently is 60 % of the maximum piston speed allowed by most engine desigers nowdays (3000 fpm) in a quality street driven vehicle expected to last 200,000 miles. The metals available at reasonable prices have raised the old limit of 2500 fpm to 3000.
And 5800 rpm on a Fit with a 89 mm stroke is 3364 fpm. Honda builds a bit better engines than most so 3364 is entirely good for the Fit. That doesn't say run it at 5800 all the time, just occasionally.
And be aware that some manufacturers continue to adhere to the 2500 fpm limit in use for decades in order to save on material costs. Cheaper, less techinically superior, metals are the reason. Honda is not one of the cheapest at allcosts bunch. Thats not accounting for how fast you accelerate; the quicker you accelerate the shorter the life due to hammering on valves etc. Thats a whole new subject.
Cute, eh.
Last edited by mahout; 04-06-2012 at 10:52 PM.
#50
The best way to get your fit to last forever is simple. Don't drive it.
OP, your worry is almost comical. There are so many variables that go into how long a complicated piece of machinery will last. The thought that what rpm you cruise at on the fwy will have a significant impact on longevity of the car, to me, is ludicrous. If it will make you feel better, don't rev it. Shift into 5th gear at 35 mph, and stay there, regardless of performance. Will it have a significant impact on longevity?
Mine sees extended periods at 5500 rpm (80mph up a 15mi grade). It's got 115k on it, and it's needed nothing. but, that's just a sample of one.
Best of luck!
OP, your worry is almost comical. There are so many variables that go into how long a complicated piece of machinery will last. The thought that what rpm you cruise at on the fwy will have a significant impact on longevity of the car, to me, is ludicrous. If it will make you feel better, don't rev it. Shift into 5th gear at 35 mph, and stay there, regardless of performance. Will it have a significant impact on longevity?
Mine sees extended periods at 5500 rpm (80mph up a 15mi grade). It's got 115k on it, and it's needed nothing. but, that's just a sample of one.
Best of luck!
Last edited by smaglik; 04-10-2012 at 08:45 PM.
#51
As far as shift points go, if you follow the owners manual it says to shift from 1st to 2nd at 15 mph, 2nd to 3rd at 27 mph, 3rd to 4th at 39 mph, and 4th to 5th at 53 mph. All those shift points wind up being pretty close to 3500 rpms which seems to be a perfect balance of efficiency and power.
#53
OP, don't even worry about it. Just drive the piss out of it. How can you be sure right now if you'll really even keep the fit that long? Go ahead and baby it if you like. The next owner will really appreciate it!
#54
Nice presentation.
The best piston speed of most good engines by good engine designers expected to last 200,000 vehicle miles is around the 1800 fpm piston speed. The Fit has a stroke of 89 mm, or 3.5", or 0.29 ft so a revolution of the crankshaft means the piston travels 0.58 ft. So dividing 1800 by .58 yields 3103 rpm. Thus a honda Fit will theoretically last the longest at an average rpm not exceeding 3100 rpm. Thats average, not peak rpm.
The more your average rpm exceed that average the less the life of your Honda Fit engine. Holding long term continuous rpm to 2600 rpm will certainly have the best chance of lasting 155,000 miles, or 250,000 kilometers. Sorry I worked in feet per minute cause the numbers are handy in memory; just realize that 89 mm divided by 25.4 mm/inch and 12 inches per foot is 0.29 ft. and the piston travels up and down per engine revolution.
BTW, 1800 rpm incidently is 60 % of the maximum piston speed allowed by most engine desigers nowdays (3000 fpm) in a quality street driven vehicle expected to last 200,000 miles. The metals available at reasonable prices have raised the old limit of 2500 fpm to 3000.
And 5800 rpm on a Fit with a 89 mm stroke is 3364 fpm. Honda builds a bit better engines than most so 3364 is entirely good for the Fit. That doesn't say run it at 5800 all the time, just occasionally.
And be aware that some manufacturers continue to adhere to the 2500 fpm limit in use for decades in order to save on material costs. Cheaper, less techinically superior, metals are the reason. Honda is not one of the cheapest at allcosts bunch. Thats not accounting for how fast you accelerate; the quicker you accelerate the shorter the life due to hammering on valves etc. Thats a whole new subject.
Cute, eh.
The best piston speed of most good engines by good engine designers expected to last 200,000 vehicle miles is around the 1800 fpm piston speed. The Fit has a stroke of 89 mm, or 3.5", or 0.29 ft so a revolution of the crankshaft means the piston travels 0.58 ft. So dividing 1800 by .58 yields 3103 rpm. Thus a honda Fit will theoretically last the longest at an average rpm not exceeding 3100 rpm. Thats average, not peak rpm.
The more your average rpm exceed that average the less the life of your Honda Fit engine. Holding long term continuous rpm to 2600 rpm will certainly have the best chance of lasting 155,000 miles, or 250,000 kilometers. Sorry I worked in feet per minute cause the numbers are handy in memory; just realize that 89 mm divided by 25.4 mm/inch and 12 inches per foot is 0.29 ft. and the piston travels up and down per engine revolution.
BTW, 1800 rpm incidently is 60 % of the maximum piston speed allowed by most engine desigers nowdays (3000 fpm) in a quality street driven vehicle expected to last 200,000 miles. The metals available at reasonable prices have raised the old limit of 2500 fpm to 3000.
And 5800 rpm on a Fit with a 89 mm stroke is 3364 fpm. Honda builds a bit better engines than most so 3364 is entirely good for the Fit. That doesn't say run it at 5800 all the time, just occasionally.
And be aware that some manufacturers continue to adhere to the 2500 fpm limit in use for decades in order to save on material costs. Cheaper, less techinically superior, metals are the reason. Honda is not one of the cheapest at allcosts bunch. Thats not accounting for how fast you accelerate; the quicker you accelerate the shorter the life due to hammering on valves etc. Thats a whole new subject.
Cute, eh.
Thank you. Very interesting comment.
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